That's what the Sub is for. Switch in on Cresselia (or some other set-upper), Encore, then Substitute on the switch. Timid max SpA Raichu Surf OHKOs standard trapper Dugtrio 100% of the time without Stealth Rock. Scarf Dugtrio with 44 SpD EVs is still OHKOed all of the time with Stealth Rock and 79% of the time without.
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That's what the Sub is for. Switch in on Cresselia (or some other set-upper), Encore, then Substitute on the switch. Timid max SpA Raichu Surf OHKOs standard trapper Dugtrio 100% of the time without Stealth Rock. Scarf Dugtrio with 44 SpD EVs is still OHKOed all of the time with Stealth Rock and 79% of the time without.
Why would the Cresselia user stay in on Raichu? Dugtrio is a free switchin. No Raichu is going to scout with surf either in that scenario because the Cresselia user is still in control, letting them sub or cm.
Dugtrio beats Raichu clean in every situation except with switching into surf or sub, the latter of which is taken care of with an obvious switch.
Dugtrio beats Raichu clean in every situation except with switching into surf or sub, the latter of which is taken care of with an obvious switch.
The same can be said about just about every other encore user. What is Clefable going to do to dugtrio with it's encore set? Raichu has the option of at least surfing.
Raichu always has the advantage against Cress, he has faster speed and can set up a sub from there. If Cress stays in and Subs OR CM, Raichu can encore. If not (and Cress switches) that's still a forced switch.
And your acting like Dugtrio is on every team.
The main reason to use Raichu anyway is for surprise factor. How many players are going to look at Raichu and expect Encore?
Anyway, I would scout with Surf with Raichu. No one will switch something like Milotic in on Raichu. Venusaur walls the whole set, though. Meh, Raichu is gimicky, but it could be fun to try. Dugtrio is rare enough that the Mono-Electric version isn't total suicide anyway (although Encore/NP/Surf (or HP Ice)/Thunderbolt is probably better).
I've used it extensively in the past-two metagames when people thought it was "nooby" with Superpower dropping its stats down. Almost every Milotic I battled stayed in suffering a OHKO. Anyways I do agree that it is crazy because its one of the best stall breakers around and no one has an answer to it really.
Moltres can come in on 3/4 of the set without many problems and Air Slash Blaziken or get a free Roost.
Slowbro can also come in and survive a SD Thunderpunch.
Oh yes: You don't need Superpower to beat Milotic. A SD Thunderpunch is enough to KO Milotic with SR down.
About Raichu: well, we could say Raichu was the "original Encorer"(since G/S/C times, Raichu always used Encore on it's sets), so Encore Raichu IS expected. Just like Encore Clefable is.
Unexpected Encorers are, for example, Golduck or Victrebell.
Slowbro has a small chance of being OHKO'd with SR from Adamant Blaziken and with any prior damage (does like 84%) for Jolly. Blaziken is easily revenged or killed by something faster than it switching into SD, but there's nothing that's gonna wall it after +2.
I do like it, but why not use Low Kick?
It does 93.1% - 109.9% to max/max Milotic, and reliably beats a huge portion of the metagame without lowering it's Atk stats.
I would use the set: SD / Flare Blitz [/blaze kick] / Low Kick / Quick Attack (or Night Slash?)
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Use Seed Bomb if you don't like Wood Hammer. There is also Feraligatr I guess...
Well a +2 Thunderpunch coming from a Jolly Blaziken does 85.3% - 100.5% to max/max Milotic. So with SR you have a good chance of a OHKO.
With SR and one layer of spikes, it's a guaranteed OHKO.
But Azumarill scares Blaziken off, which it's a shame.
PS: Heysup, with Low Kick Blaziken is screwed by Lanturn. Thunderpunch does the same damage Low Kick does to Milotic, and you can use another STAB option to deal with Lanturn.
Anyone knows a strong SD user that isn't weak to any priority that i can pass Agility to it?
I've tried Torterra, but Wood Hammer cuts it's HP by a lot.
I've used Lickilicky(also with Agility) and it is cool with Explosion ready to KO anything giving problems to you.
Anything else?
With SR and one layer of spikes, it's a guaranteed OHKO.
But Azumarill scares Blaziken off, which it's a shame.
PS: Heysup, with Low Kick Blaziken is screwed by Lanturn. Thunderpunch does the same damage Low Kick does to Milotic, and you can use another STAB option to deal with Lanturn.
Anyone knows a strong SD user that isn't weak to any priority that i can pass Agility to it?
I've tried Torterra, but Wood Hammer cuts it's HP by a lot.
I've used Lickilicky(also with Agility) and it is cool with Explosion ready to KO anything giving problems to you.
Anything else?
Hm... Feraligatr? It has no priority weaknesses, and it is bulky enough to take a few hits. If you pass it an Agility, it SDs, and its health goes down under 25%, activating Liechi berry, you have a Feraligatr at +2 Speed and +3 Attack in Torrent range, though it will die to decently powerful priority at this point. You can even give it Aqua Jet to beat other priority users.
I thought about Feraligatr, but this one can sweep by itself even without Agility.
Toxicroak too. But it dislikes Cresselia.
If someone could give me a hand, what do you think of those SD users that i could pass Agility to:
Armaldo
Cacturne
Exeggutor(...)
Crawdaunt
Rampardos
Rhyperior
Ursaring
Tangrowth
All of them are weak to priority(Tangrowth doesn't really mind Ice Shard though... or any priority at all) but they're all powerful, especially the rock ones. Exeggutor is here for lolz even though it also hits hard.
Could any of those work?
Toxicroak too. But it dislikes Cresselia.
If someone could give me a hand, what do you think of those SD users that i could pass Agility to:
Armaldo
Cacturne
Exeggutor(...)
Crawdaunt
Rampardos
Rhyperior
Ursaring
Tangrowth
All of them are weak to priority(Tangrowth doesn't really mind Ice Shard though... or any priority at all) but they're all powerful, especially the rock ones. Exeggutor is here for lolz even though it also hits hard.
Could any of those work?
Hmm, whenever I tried to use BP I always looked at the defensive typing of the two Pokemon. For example in OU I used a Gliscor to pass to Metagross, because Metagross shrugs off the obvious Ice Beams aimed at Gliscor with ease. Who you're using to pass the boosts should influence who gets them.
A great combo in UU would likely be something like Blaziken passing the boosts to Tangrowth, since it resists the obvious Surf coming at Blaziken (watch out for the rare flying move though).
A great combo in UU would likely be something like Blaziken passing the boosts to Tangrowth, since it resists the obvious Surf coming at Blaziken (watch out for the rare flying move though).
That's actually a really interesting idea. The set I would be looking at running would be this:
Swellow@Flame Orb
252Att/252Spe/4Def Jolly
~Sub
~Baton Pass
~Endeavor
~Facade
Baton Pass is for your early switch-ins. You sub as they switch then BP the sub to an appropriate counter. After you get under 50% or so, you can start Endeavoring stuff and killing them with Facade. Would it work?
Sounds like Sub+Burn would wear it down really fast. Would Roost be a viable option over Endeavor? You cant hurt Rock/Steel types, but you have Baton Pass, so yeah.
That's the cool thing about Endeavor. If your HP starts falling into the 35% range or lower (especially with no rocks on the field), you can pretty much drop anything that is in on you into Facade's KO range (or something else's KO range), as long as it isn't a ghost. Roost could work also though.
Um RP Torterra is a big threat to an offensive team if you dont have anything faster than it at +2, and it can easily tear apart common walls in UU such as Milotic, Slowbro and Registeel. Although it suffers a bit against Cresselia.
STAB Wood Hammer and Earthquake off base 109 Attack is nothing to scoff at. Not sure about Broken though
EDIT: sorry i was looking at the wrong page @___@
Well I ran basically the same set with Return > Facade and Starf Berry as the item.
+2 Life Orbed Flare Blitz vs Lanturn: 90.8% - 107%
I wouldn't call that "screwed".
The point of running Low Kick is that you can forgo ThunderPunch, since it is essentially pointless (you aren't breaking Slowbro anytime soon), and leaves you room to use other moves. Using it over Superpower also gives Blaziken the chance to continue sweeping / wall breaking.
Plus, lets face it, Lanturn is far from common.
That is a cool set now that you've added Baton Pass onto it, however I don't like that you are forced out by any Ghost (namely Rotom, Missy, and Froslass get dangerous with a turn to set up). With Stealth Rock, Burn, and Substitute, you will not have many turns to switch in (2 at most).
I would personally use Toxic Orb over Flame Orb on that set anyway, since it lowers the damage you're taking since you probably won't be staying in for more than 3 turns anyway.
I played UU during the Yanmega meta, and I'm going to give my opinion on SD Blaziken. That thing could kill, espcially after Specs Charizard made a big dent in water types. I used Quick Attack because Blaziken is slow some of the time as move 4, and Lanturn just gets killed by Superpower/Flare Blitz. If you can pass Wish to this thing, do so.
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