doesn't heavy offense just abuse ambipom's fake out and technotop as well as like 2 sucker punchers
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Ambipom and Technotop Fake Out are useless thanks to Protect. Yanmega can easily take a Hitmontop Bullet Punch/Sucker Punch also, even after Stealth Rock.
EDIT: The post above me makes no sense whatsoever ._. Yanmega doesn't need or particularly enjoy Wish support any more then anything else. And it's defences aren't exactly high, only enough to take one (or two if SR isn't down) strong priority moves just fine.
EDIT: The post above me makes no sense whatsoever ._. Yanmega doesn't need or particularly enjoy Wish support any more then anything else. And it's defences aren't exactly high, only enough to take one (or two if SR isn't down) strong priority moves just fine.
Sorry but I had to point this out cause it made me laugh. Please someone make a pic with Hitmontop holding glowsticks.
I'm going to do calc checks with the HP Ground Air Slash Bug Buzz set on its listed counters over the period of this coming week. For example Regirock without Sandstorm can only come in on Air Slash without being left in pieces (about 22% health left at most if it comes in on Bug Buzz and then gets hit by HP Ground) after sustaining Yanmegas assults. Pretty worthless except for death fodder at that point.
Sub/Petaya is probably the most dangerous Yanmega set. Comes in on SR after a kill, forces the switch upon which he subs, gets +1 speed and +1SpA behind a sub and sweeps with BB/AS/HP: Ground. Chansey and Registeel are the only ones that can stop it, both being 3HKO'd, but pretty much everything else is 1-2HKO'd unless they have godly SpD (Like Milotic for example) and invest 252/252 +nature against it.
If it's late game, and any of your counters are somewhat weakened, it will sweep without mercy. I would still say that it's BL based on that set alone as sub prevents Sucker Punch from affecting it and most other forms of Priority (Mach Punch, Vacuum Wave, etc) won't even break the sub. A Fake Out from Ambipom/Hitmontop might, but they only break the sub and fail to do 25% damage before they're OHKO'd by Yanmega (who outspeeds thanks to Speed Boost).
All this is not to mention that Air Slash has a 30% Flinch rate and Bug Buzz has a 10% chance to lower SpD, so Hax could very easily get involved.
That set, IMO is the best example of "Sweeping through a significant portion of the metagame" because 2 hard counters + a few random counters with very, very specific sets that are hardly standard are not enough to be considered a significant enough portion of the metagame.
If it's late game, and any of your counters are somewhat weakened, it will sweep without mercy. I would still say that it's BL based on that set alone as sub prevents Sucker Punch from affecting it and most other forms of Priority (Mach Punch, Vacuum Wave, etc) won't even break the sub. A Fake Out from Ambipom/Hitmontop might, but they only break the sub and fail to do 25% damage before they're OHKO'd by Yanmega (who outspeeds thanks to Speed Boost).
All this is not to mention that Air Slash has a 30% Flinch rate and Bug Buzz has a 10% chance to lower SpD, so Hax could very easily get involved.
That set, IMO is the best example of "Sweeping through a significant portion of the metagame" because 2 hard counters + a few random counters with very, very specific sets that are hardly standard are not enough to be considered a significant enough portion of the metagame.
Lol. I seriously, seriously, hope you're kidding. How can you even say that after reading pretty much any comment in this thread about yanmega/registeel? The thing is extremely usefull in UU as it traps pokemon that give pretty much any teams a shitload of problems(registeel, chansey, blaziken, roserade, etc.). Why you would say that outside of it being a joke or sarcasm is beyond me.
Well, considering that I play UU, I'm not joking. While I never denied that Dugtrio has its uses in UU, I'm just pointing out that in OU, it can trap and get a OHKO on the fourth most popular Pokemon in OU is a pretty big thing. It is O.K. in UU, but it just doesnt posess the utility that it did in OU.
As much as I don't want to say that there are any suspects in this metagame, Choice Specs Tinted Lens Yanmega is simply so ridiculously powerful that there is no real switchin to it other than Chansey, and maybe Moltres sans SR. Standard Registeel takes 37.09% - 43.96% from Specs TL Mega, meaning with ANY residual damage or Spike Support, it's a 2ko on the switch. Chansey takes 25.74% - 30.42% on the switch, meaning if it's pursuited or takes a hard hit before the switchin even it is threatened by Yanmega. It's basically the Garchomp effect. It may not sweep, but it is so unimaginably powerful that it only has two real valid switchins, and even they are KOed with a little residual damage. Other teams just simply have HUGE holes punched in them by Yanmega with no real answer. It may not sweep, but it makes it piss-easy for other things to sweep by putting holes in teams.
According to statistics Roserade was the most used Poke in the UU tier in July, immediately followed by Registeel (please correct me if these informations are wrong), and this is just to mention the most popular pokémons in the tier it can handle, as it also takes care of many other threads once they have been weakened.
That should be proof enough of how useful Dugtrio can be once it's played correctly.
Ok, for all of you who say Dugtrio sucks, listen. Don't freakin send it out against a full health Steelix/Registeel, and then complain that Dugtrio can't win.
Seriously, everyone's been doing that. Dugtrio is quite good(though not as good as everyone thought it would be), and can really help Yanmega or Mismagius win a game for you.
Speaking of which, has anyone seen a SubCM Missy around? I haven't seen a single one so far.
Seriously, everyone's been doing that. Dugtrio is quite good(though not as good as everyone thought it would be), and can really help Yanmega or Mismagius win a game for you.
Speaking of which, has anyone seen a SubCM Missy around? I haven't seen a single one so far.
One thing that no one seems to be using is Ninetales. I've been consistently sweeping with it, so I think it's being under-appreciated.
Ninetales (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 Spd/252 SAtk/4 SDef
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Fire Blast
- Energy Ball
- Nasty Plot
- Substitute
Is what I've been using. Yeah, yeah. "Stealth Rock + Life Orb + Substitute will wear it down too quickly!" Well, you normally only get once chance with Ninetales anyway, so it really isn't that big of a deal!
Ninetales (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 Spd/252 SAtk/4 SDef
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Fire Blast
- Energy Ball
- Nasty Plot
- Substitute
Is what I've been using. Yeah, yeah. "Stealth Rock + Life Orb + Substitute will wear it down too quickly!" Well, you normally only get once chance with Ninetales anyway, so it really isn't that big of a deal!
What possible advantage could that have over Houndoom, which has better neutral coverage with Fire/Dark?
I've faced one of those and found rather interesting, but the problem is that you can't hit many pokes who resists these 2 attacks, like fire pokes( I do know fire pokes are no SP. Def. Monsters, but still), specially the ones with Flash Fire, such as Arcanine and Ninetales herself, that wouldn't allow you to abuse your STAB and maybe Flash Fire boosted Fire Blasts.
Also if the opposing team has layed down spikes, Ninetales can't Sub at all, as it won't be pulling off many sweeps with 25% HP left and Life Orb Recoil.
Also if the opposing team has layed down spikes, Ninetales can't Sub at all, as it won't be pulling off many sweeps with 25% HP left and Life Orb Recoil.
"sturdier substitutes"
Uninvested subs aren't surviving much from 71/74/100 defenses, and Houndoom's 75/50/80 isn't significantly worse. Sturdier subs only matter when you have a chance to actually take a hit. Houndoom has actual dual STAB and 58 more points of Special Attack straight up. On top of that, what's between 95 and 100 other than not speed tying with Drapion and other Houndoom?
Uninvested subs aren't surviving much from 71/74/100 defenses, and Houndoom's 75/50/80 isn't significantly worse. Sturdier subs only matter when you have a chance to actually take a hit. Houndoom has actual dual STAB and 58 more points of Special Attack straight up. On top of that, what's between 95 and 100 other than not speed tying with Drapion and other Houndoom?
Outrunning SpecsMega could be good, but other than that I dont see what that Ninetales, let alone ANY Ninetales, has over Houndoom except maybe Hypnosis (which isn't much of an advantage, and 'Doom can go physical too).
Anyways, what I've found to be an odd counter to Yanmega is Mr.Mime, with it's high SpD and being immune to Bug Buzz and all. It'll force out SpecsMega, who could succumb to SR after another switch, and use it as set up bait. Max/max+ ones are never 2KO'd by an Air Slash (hax will do it though). It's best use is on a baton pass team, though you can try to pull a Hypno and use it as a boosting wall that can BP.
Anyways, what I've found to be an odd counter to Yanmega is Mr.Mime, with it's high SpD and being immune to Bug Buzz and all. It'll force out SpecsMega, who could succumb to SR after another switch, and use it as set up bait. Max/max+ ones are never 2KO'd by an Air Slash (hax will do it though). It's best use is on a baton pass team, though you can try to pull a Hypno and use it as a boosting wall that can BP.
Fire/Grass is totally walled by Moltres, Arcanine, Altaria, and Houndoom himself. Ninetails is slightly bulkier but both are already very frail and with SR weaknesses and life orb, its hard to argue that the extra bulk is worth that much when their lifespans are so short. Losing coverage and 29 base sp.attack for pokemon like that is kind of questionable, and lets not forget that Houndoom also has access to the ever-valuable taunt.
If you consider Positive Atk Nature when using choice band, the multiplier is actually 1.65% (0.5% x 1.1% = 0.55%; 0.55% + 1,1% = 1,65%). Also you mention Life Orb set with a neutral Atk Nature, as with a positive one the boost is 1.4333...%; but i guess this is not the point.
The problem is that people wanna bring Dugtrio in any of the walls it can trap and expect them to be OHKOd, while forgetting these pokes actually have defensive potential ( Registeel has a base 150 Def, and Chansey, while being miles away from Registeel's base defense, has 250 base HP that allow it to withstand one of Dugtrio's earthquake.
The problem is that people wanna bring Dugtrio in any of the walls it can trap and expect them to be OHKOd, while forgetting these pokes actually have defensive potential ( Registeel has a base 150 Def, and Chansey, while being miles away from Registeel's base defense, has 250 base HP that allow it to withstand one of Dugtrio's earthquake.
one use for ninetales is that it forms a p cool offensive combination with houndoom because it tends to draw in milotic and chansey which it is able to weaken significantly. ninetales actually only takes 77% average from standard milotic's surf which means if SR is not up, it wins if milotic is switched into it.
i'm not sure exactly what substitute gets you, though, apart from scouting azumarill switches since a nasty plot essentially gives you the power of an extra hit. since ninetales has one or at best two chances to do any damage "weakening its counters" isn't doing much especially since its counters usually have reliable recovery. also i don't know how it would manage to pull off a KO and still have an intact sub so you can probably still get revenge killed relatively easily by fake out or aqua jet or mach punch.
i'm not sure exactly what substitute gets you, though, apart from scouting azumarill switches since a nasty plot essentially gives you the power of an extra hit. since ninetales has one or at best two chances to do any damage "weakening its counters" isn't doing much especially since its counters usually have reliable recovery. also i don't know how it would manage to pull off a KO and still have an intact sub so you can probably still get revenge killed relatively easily by fake out or aqua jet or mach punch.
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