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np: UU - Rain Drops Keep Falling on my Head

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I've been using an HO team lately and it's been really fun. While it's gotten me to the upper requirement, in my attempt to cement myself there, I've fallen back down. HO does not fail in this metagame, which is the reason I think that banning possible defensive Suspects won't help. SD Kabutops is awesome, even outside the rain (And punishes noobs who think they can just Rain team past me). RP Yache Torterra is a beast like always. Currently my HO team has no Leftovers, showing how aggressive my team is.
 
lol, what took you guys so long. If you're not hitting hard and fast, you're very likely to get run over by stall and Spike-stacking anyway. I'm surprised even Thund is just now discovering it.
 
SJCrew said:
lol, what took you guys so long. If you're not hitting hard and fast, you're very likely to get run over by stall and Spike-stacking anyway. I'm surprised even Thund is just now discovering it.
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You make it seem like Balance is unviable, when they've produced my strongest team for 3 rounds.
 
I think Balance is an incredibly stable playstyle in this metagame. I do agree that playing aggressively is important, as that is the best way to really check a lot of the threats that are running around. I find myself losing games only when I give my opponent opportunity to set-up. Once I notice myself responding to what my opponent is doing instead of the other way around, I know I'm in trouble.

But that's just what works for me.
 
RE: Blaziken.

I'm finding the mixed set to be too slow, or if you fix that, too underpowered. As mentioned above, scarf him and use him as a revenger.

Monferno has one more base speed than Venusaur, Swords Dance or Nasty Plot. Unlike Blaziken it also has STAB priority on both sides of the spectrum. Mega gimmick, but it would be interesting to see how it would go haha. Unboosted +speed nature Flamethrower OHKOs offensive Venusaur. +2 Grass Knot has a 92.31% chance of landing a OHKO on Milotic with SR, and does about the same as Blaziken's HP Grass without a boost.

That's actually pretty sad that a mid-evo Pokemon is faster than a fully evolved starter like Blaziken. If it wasn't made out of rice paper, I'd almost use it.
 
Megapants said:
I think Balance is an incredibly stable playstyle in this metagame. I do agree that playing aggressively is important, as that is the best way to really check a lot of the threats that are running around. I find myself losing games only when I give my opponent opportunity to set-up. Once I notice myself responding to what my opponent is doing instead of the other way around, I know I'm in trouble.

But that's just what works for me.
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I agree.

And I couldnt help but notice your RMT, and major props for using Sublee. Fun and effective, eh??? =P
 
when this period ends i intend on publicising the team i've been using. the only way to classify would really be balance, it's basically abusing moltres' ability to punish pokemon that have been paralyzed with extreme prejudice, powerfully. i'm sure a few of you have played it, and you'll agree that offense isn't the only playstyle viable this period, despite users like franky leading us to believe otherwise. i'm shocked at the lack of rain dance this period too, it's basically the anti-hyper offense team. i guess we're just a bit scared to take the risk of running into a team carrying a bunch of anti-rain pokemon.
 
Thund91 said:
I agree.

And I couldnt help but notice your RMT, and major props for using Sublee. Fun and effective, eh??? =P
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Oh yeah, totally beast. If only he got Shadow Sneak, I wouldn't ever have to worry about guessing when Missy'll Sub on my Sucker Punch ever again. D:

Generally speaking, I've found that most Substitute + 3 Attacks sets are incredibly useful in this meta. People really just can't risk losing anything on their team too early game, so they are forced to switch as you kill off the next switch-in safely behind a Sub. Some really, really powerful Substitute + 3 Attack users are Rhyperior, Alakazam and Torterra.
 
Megapants said:
Oh yeah, totally beast. If only he got Shadow Sneak, I wouldn't ever have to worry about guessing when Missy'll Sub on my Sucker Punch ever again. D:

Generally speaking, I've found that most Substitute + 3 Attacks sets are incredibly useful in this meta. People really just can't risk losing anything on their team too early game, so they are forced to switch as you kill off the next switch-in safely behind a Sub. Some really, really powerful Substitute + 3 Attack users are Rhyperior, Alakazam and Torterra.
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I knowwwww. Missy and Rotom can get so annoying. -__-

And I agree with the Sub + 3 attacker bit. Actually, Sub is probably like, the best utility move. Even for things like SDVenu I sometimes switch it up and go with Substitute > Sleep Powder because it helps against status, revenge killing, etc...
 
Thund91 said:
You make it seem like Balance is unviable, when they've produced my strongest team for 3 rounds.
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No, that's just the way I play. Even though there's almost no room for error, it's much easier to make sure that everything on your team hits hard and punishes switch-ins than to try and make the best offensive and defensive core possible.

I've mostly given up on balance since threat A or B I forgot always comes in to ruin my plans, so you might as well just keep the pressure going until your opponent fucks up. This will be harder to do if Froslass gets the boot next round, but so long as Rhyperior stays UU, my teams are going to be mainly offensive.
 
If Froslass doesn't get the boot this round I'll be amazed. Let's hope people actually nominate it this time!!

Mixed Blaziken doesn't really fit into the metagame ATM, since it's quite speed oriented, Moltres is everywhere, whorelass is Spikestacking, etc, etc. Blaziken is better or going with a Scarf or Band right now.
 
futile. said:
RE: Blaziken.

I'm finding the mixed set to be too slow, or if you fix that, too underpowered. As mentioned above, scarf him and use him as a revenger.

Monferno has one more base speed than Venusaur, Swords Dance or Nasty Plot. Unlike Blaziken it also has STAB priority on both sides of the spectrum. Mega gimmick, but it would be interesting to see how it would go haha. Unboosted +speed nature Flamethrower OHKOs offensive Venusaur. +2 Grass Knot has a 92.31% chance of landing a OHKO on Milotic with SR, and does about the same as Blaziken's HP Grass without a boost.

That's actually pretty sad that a mid-evo Pokemon is faster than a fully evolved starter like Blaziken. If it wasn't made out of rice paper, I'd almost use it.
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You should use it. Give it some U-Turning or Yawning partners to switch it in more easily, maybe give it some Screens, and it can sweep, really well. I got a few logs of Monferno tearing things up if you want to see them. The "Nasty Plot MixApe" set is probably the best set to use, IMO.

Monferno @ Life Orb
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 4 Atk/252 SpA/252 Spe
Nature: Naive/Hasty
-Nasty Plot
-Fire Blast
-Grass Knot
-Close Combat

4 Atk EVs are enough to OHKO Chansey after SR, which is convenient.
 
A lot of people have been suggesting that Blaziken should be Scarfed, and that lead Moltres should be Orbed. I've had them the other way around for almost seven months now, and the team has been doing way better than most of my more recent teams, so I feel that I should demand a very, very compelling reason to make changes to it.
 
Stats are out!!

Venusaur is getting too much use now, crap. It's at 25% already!

No prizes for guessing the most common lead.
 
Gosh, Moltres went from #18 to #4.
Dugtrio saw the hell of a boost as well... (wonder why).
Finally, LO Kou saw quite a boost (15% usage)
 
I just don't understand Moltres' usage the past few months. As much as last period it was overshadowed (which is most of why I didn't vote BL on it), it's not like it was dramatically less good then - being under the gun this semester has people at least trying to counter it better this round. #18 was just so low before - I don't understand why more people weren't using it then. I know I was...
 
Synre said:
I just don't understand Moltres' usage the past few months. As much as last period it was overshadowed (which is most of why I didn't vote BL on it), it's not like it was dramatically less good then - being under the gun this semester has people at least trying to counter it better this round. #18 was just so low before - I don't understand why more people weren't using it then. I know I was...
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I agree, but people were looking at other suspects that overshadowed moltres apperently during other metagames...heh i guess its like other ppl said before...when one pokemon gets banned another gets popular lol until we end up with a metagame full of magikarps
 
It's rather odd though, nor Cresselia or PZ were top counters to it, and I don't think even if they were that would explain a raise of 5.5% usage. Also, Venusaur's case was quite different, as it saw a boost in usage by the time Roserade had just left the tier. Finally, Torty still not getting the love it deserves (thank god) =/
 
I don't know about you guys, but instead of looking at the UU stats first I glanced at the OU stats:

February:

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|   44 | Tentacruel |  26154 |    3.98 |
|   45 | Heracross  |  24174 |    3.68 |
March:
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|   44 | Tentacruel |  29764 |    3.96 |
|   45 | Heracross  |  29679 |    3.95 |
Tentracruel and Heracross are consistently #44 and #45 respectively, they could come down? I'm not sure how close either of them are to UU, but they are the lowest OU Pokemon on the list at the moment.


Synre said:
I just don't understand Moltres' usage the past few months. As much as last period it was overshadowed (which is most of why I didn't vote BL on it), it's not like it was dramatically less good then - being under the gun this semester has people at least trying to counter it better this round. #18 was just so low before - I don't understand why more people weren't using it then. I know I was...
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It was probably only 18 because no one was really running offense because you could simply run stall or Rain (bad mentality imo). Not because it was bad.

I guess people realize how good Moltres is against every team. People likely even noticed that using Moltres against rain is actually good. If you send Moltres in when it's not Raining, it will literally OHKO every Rain sweeper.
 
Looking forawrd to Tentacruel dropping down. Even though I don't think it's gonna be a top tier any soon (bulky water that is owned by Dugtrio and has no reliable recovery... >.>), but a rather interesting addition, and a perfect fit to the metagame it seems.
 
Bluewind said:
It's rather odd though, nor Cresselia or PZ were top counters to it, and I don't think even if they were that would explain a raise of 5.5% usage. Also, Venusaur's case was quite different, as it saw a boost in usage by the time Roserade had just left the tier. Finally, Torty still not getting the love it deserves (thank god) =/
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Also, that was when Venusaur got Power Whip, etc. too.

But in terms of the numbers, the climbs were similar, even though the reasons are different.
 
The thing is that UU can maybe lose Umbreon once again... damn, decide yourself already!

Anyway, look at Feraligatr: it was vastly used when Cresselia/P-Z were UU... and took a nice hit after they got BL. Strange...
 
M BLADE said:
The thing is that UU can maybe lose Umbreon once again... damn, decide yourself already!

Anyway, look at Feraligatr: it was vastly used when Cresselia/P-Z were UU... and took a nice hit after they got BL. Strange...
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Probably due to the rising usage of Milotic, who seems to be taking over Slowbros spot on every team.
 
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