np: UU - Rain Drops Keep Falling on my Head

[shrang]

I guess people can EV Mixken to at least speed tie with Venusaur (Which would result power loss, obviously). However, if anyone wants to use a mixed set, use Monferno!! He is simply hilarious with his trolling Base 81 Speed. Having Grass Knot is cool as well, allowing you to use HP Ice instead to hit Altaria.

 

[capefeather]

Mixed Blaziken sucks? I beg to differ. In fact, Venusaur shouldn't be fooling any Mixed Blaziken at all, even the slow ones, because almost every set that outspeeds slow Blaziken has Life Orb on it.

 

[Abutorn]

Dunno about that... i used Blaziken only twice, and it was the SD and Agility BP sets.
SD hits HARD. Too bad Moltres is everywhere...

Exactly that's pretty much why Blaziken is useless in the current UU Metagame, for example Hidden power grass doesn't even 2HKO Milotic with just 248 HP EVs.

 

[TEA_DEMON]

Pure physical scarf Blaziken is pretty good, although it needs strong Fighting STAB outside of Superpower because that means it tends to lose to Curse Umbreon (which it really should not be doing).

 

[PK Gaming]

Let's be honest here, mixed blaziken sucks. I lol every single time venusaur outspeeds with EQ.

What if you run a special Venusaur? Besides I run Naive Blaziken just for that reason.

I guess people can EV Mixken to at least speed tie with Venusaur (Which would result power loss, obviously). However, if anyone wants to use a mixed set, use Monferno!! He is simply hilarious with his trolling Base 81 Speed. Having Grass Knot is cool as well, allowing you to use HP Ice instead to hit Altaria.

He's too weak. And I mean offensively too. He can only really damage things with a nasty plot under his belt.

Exactly that's pretty much why Blaziken is useless in the current UU Metagame, for example Hidden power grass doesn't even 2HKO Milotic with just 248 HP EVs.

Not a single special attacker in UU can 2HKO with hidden power grass Milotic at max. Besides, Super power hits harder anyway, something Moltres (and Magmortar) can't do.

What's with all of the Blaziken hate?

 

[shrang]

Alright, after reading the "Removing obviously BL Pokemon" on PR, I see some issues here. Since I can't post on there, I'll raise it up here. People say Rotom can check Heracross. Really?? I mean seriously?? Rotom is absolute fodder for Hera. A +2 Life Orb Heracross' Megahorn (Jolly, 252 Atk) does 69.08% - 81.58% to Bold 252/252 Rotom. What can Rotom do in return?? Will-O-Wisp?? LOL. Reflect?? Thanks very much, says Heracross, I'll just SD again. Thunderbolt from Timid 252 SpA Rotom does 43.71% - 51.66%.

 

[M BLADE]

Not a single special attacker in UU can 2HKO with hidden power grass Milotic at max. Besides, Super power hits harder anyway, something Moltres (and Magmortar) can't do.

What's with all of the Blaziken hate?

Exeggutor wants to talk with you!

Just kidding...

It's just that Blaziken is too slow for most people's tastes. At least that's what i think.

 

[capefeather]

Blaziken's in the 80 base speed tier. How much faster would you want?

 

[PK Gaming]

Alright, after reading the "Removing obviously BL Pokemon" on PR, I see some issues here. Since I can't post on there, I'll raise it up here. People say Rotom can check Heracross. Really?? I mean seriously?? Rotom is absolute fodder for Hera. A +2 Life Orb Heracross' Megahorn (Jolly, 252 Atk) does 69.08% - 81.58% to Bold 252/252 Rotom. What can Rotom do in return?? Will-O-Wisp?? LOL. Reflect?? Thanks very much, says Heracross, I'll just SD again. Thunderbolt from Timid 252 SpA Rotom does 43.71% - 51.66%.

I know it's a pretty sad joke. And that's an OHKO with Night Slash right there.

 

[M BLADE]

Blaziken's in the 80 base speed tier. How much faster would you want?

Base 81 would be nice...

Seriousy now: most "useful" fire types sits between 80 and 100 base speed (from Blaziken to Entei/Ninetales/Charizard... not counting Rapidash), which puts Blaziken "down" between fire pokes.

And it's exactly what you said: it ties with so many pokes, and that means it can lose to pokes it wasn't supposed to (C'mon, Venusaur beating Blaziken 50% of the time assuming a speed tie... that isn't nice at all.)

 

[Abutorn]

Not a single special attacker in UU can 2HKO with hidden power grass Milotic at max. Besides, Super power hits harder anyway, something Moltres (and Magmortar) can't do.

What's with all of the Blaziken hate?

Correction, Moltres (Modest with Life orb which is common) has a chance to 2HKO Milotic with Hidden power Grass it does 44.8% - 52.9% to Just a 248 and Hit points which is the regular Bulky water set for Milotic.

While Blaziken (Mild with Life orb standard Mix priority set) does only 40.2% - 47.8% to the Milotic.

EDIT: Reason doing Moltres because it's a popular Pokemon with Hidden power Grass.

 

[Shnoogle]

You need SR to guarantee that 2HKO because otherwise leftovers recovery puts milotic just a little out of reach for moltres.

 

[PK Gaming]

Correction, Moltres (Modest with Life orb which is common) has a chance to 2HKO Milotic with Hidden power Grass it does 44.8% - 52.9% to Just a 248 and Hit points which is the regular Bulky water set for Milotic.

While Blaziken (Mild with Life orb standard Mix priority set) does only 40.2% - 47.8% to the Milotic.

EDIT: Reason doing Moltres because it's a popular Pokemon with Hidden power Grass.

So? Superpower can deal a similar amount of damage. Moltres is only 2HKO with entry hazards, something Blaziken can also potentially do.

Reason: Reason for doing because Blaziken can attack from both ends of the spectrum :P.

 

[capefeather]

Base 81 would be nice...

Seriousy now: most "useful" fire types sits between 80 and 100 base speed (from Blaziken to Entei/Ninetales/Charizard... not counting Rapidash), which puts Blaziken "down" between fire pokes.

And it's exactly what you said: it ties with so many pokes, and that means it can lose to pokes it wasn't supposed to (C'mon, Venusaur beating Blaziken 50% of the time assuming a speed tie... that isn't nice at all.)

OK, I can understand when people say that Blaziken isn't good (which I maintain it isn't), and I especially understand the Moltres comparison, but now you're comparing Blaziken to other Fire Pokémon who aren't Moltres? The other Fires just aren't relevant because they play different roles, and none of them are much better at beating Milotic than Blaziken is.

Mixed Blaziken is primarily a wall breaker. Against Venusaur, it can scout out Life Orb (i.e. offensive) variants and then get the hell out of there or Fire Blast a predicted setup or something. On the other hand, defensive Venusaur don't run Speed EVs, and so Blaziken can pwn then. Of course, the Venusaur could always troll Blaziken and throw in 20 Spe or something, but still.

I agree that Mixed Blaziken has gotten worse with the greater presence of Moltres and specially defensive Milotic. However, I still wouldn't say that it "sucks", which is the whole point of all this.

 

[Heysup]

Let's be honest here, mixed blaziken sucks. I lol every single time venusaur outspeeds with EQ.

You lol at Speed ties? That's odd.

Exactly that's pretty much why Blaziken is useless in the current UU Metagame, for example Hidden power grass doesn't even 2HKO Milotic with just 248 HP EVs.

Choice Band. OHKOing Milotic > sometimes 2HKOing Milotic.

Alright, after reading the "Removing obviously BL Pokemon" on PR, I see some issues here. Since I can't post on there, I'll raise it up here. People say Rotom can check Heracross. Really?? I mean seriously?? Rotom is absolute fodder for Hera. A +2 Life Orb Heracross' Megahorn (Jolly, 252 Atk) does 69.08% - 81.58% to Bold 252/252 Rotom. What can Rotom do in return?? Will-O-Wisp?? LOL. Reflect?? Thanks very much, says Heracross, I'll just SD again. Thunderbolt from Timid 252 SpA Rotom does 43.71% - 51.66%.

Firstly, Rotom can easily fit HP Flying onto any choiced or defensive set if it is meant to check Heracross and it OHKOes even without Specs (just max SpA).

Second, Rotom can cripple Heracross with Choice Specs.

Third, Rotom can still easily 2HKO with Thunder Bolt, meaning your fodder comment is false.

Heracross is forced to run Night Slash if it wants to "always" OHKO Rotom, meaning it loses to Moltres. You don't want to lose to Moltres.

Another Ghost to consider is Mismagius. It can actually OHKO much more easily with HP Flying, and can even run Psychic (they both do help with Venusaur, Toxicroak, and Torterra to be fair).

Comparatively, what happens when these Ghosts go up against Gallade. Shadow Sneak. Done and done.

(read on only if you care about the context in which these Pokemon were brought up)

And is this over-centralization? Probably. However the fact that they actually "can" beat Heracross is good enough evidence for the case that is being made in PR (about the precedent concept).

The reason these Pokemon were being brought up in the first place is because simply stating an advantage that Gallade had over Heracross makes the precedent rule illogical.

 

[SJCrew]

I do find it funny that if you slap a CB on Hera, it's about as impossible to switch in on as Rhyperior, except it's faster and doesn't mind status.

 

[Thorns]

I'm here to say one thing: who needs Moltres when we have Magmortar!

Porygon 2 support is all Magmortar needs. It easily gets rid of Dugtrio, and paralizes many pokes for Modest Magmortar to start Fire Blast/Thunderbolt everything in sight.

Most pokes Magmortar can't deal (Altaria, Feraligatr for example) are taken by P-2 itself.

Slap in something against fighting pokes, and you're good to go.

because moltres doesn't suck. because moltres has roost. because moltres has a speed stat.

it's the last point i'd like to stress, because speed is really important for the stealth rock weak fire types. more often than not they get two or three shots at most to beat what they have to beat. blaziken is cool cause it only takes 12.5% from stealth rock. sd blaziken is actually really fun too, i used it in honch period and i intend on using it again when i can

 

[Smurf.]

@ heysup

259 = 284 ??

I don't lol at speed ties. I lol at you.

 

[shrang]

Blaziken can run max speed, so 284 = 284. Yes, the Mixed set on the analysis currently uses a neutral nature, but since there are so many +ve Max speed Venusaurs these days, that can easily change to 284.

 

[Heysup]

@ heysup

259 = 284 ??

I don't lol at speed ties. I lol at you.

284 = 284.

They are both base 80 Speed. "lol".

Posts like these, where you say something unimaginably stupid and then troll someone do not help anything. They do not help this thread, they do not help me, and they definitely do not help you. If you're going to be posting with ad hominem at least make it semi-constructive and factually correct.

EDIT: I bolded underlined and italicized the part that you managed to miss.

 

[Smurf.]

284 = 284.

They are both base 80 Speed. "lol".

Posts like these, where you say something unimaginably stupid and then troll someone do not help anything. They do not help this thread, they do not help me, and the definitely do not help you. If you're going to be posting with ad hominem at least make it semi-constructive and factually correct.

Mixed Blaziken has 259 speed, due to its mild/rash nature.

The amount of irony in the second part of that post is simply laughable.

 

[ultimifier]

because everyone uses the exact EV spread from the analysis. woooooo.

(serious part)
yes, mix blaziken should be running a +speed nature in this metagame to tie at worst with all the base 80s lying around.

nice try trolling smurf, try posting in firebot

 

[Synre]

I really can't fathom why you're trying to make a speed argument over two Pokemon with the same base speeds - if Blaziken wants to avoid being outrun by +Speed Venusaur it'll always have the option of running +Speed. It's not "mixed Blaziken"'s fault some people aren't naturing to at least be able to 50/50 with like the single most important Pokemon in the tier for Fire Pokemon to force out other than maybe Registeel.

Seriously though, cut out the trolling. It's not constructive and frankly it's just terribly obvious.

 

[SJCrew]

Running +speed also has that nasty side effect of making its priority attack weaker and keeping it from OHKOing any UU Steels without prior damage. Honestly, I would rather use Magmortar, since it can beat Milotic and other bulky water types easier, while still having some offense vs. Chansey. I used a mixed Magmortar set during the Honch/Gallade era and it was pretty sex. Flame Body kept pissing everyone off and burning them at inopportune times (especially Honch, lol).

The biggest deterrent to using Magmortar, I'd say, is that it's just damn difficult to get it in properly.

 

[Thund91]

I started using heavy offense i must admit it's pretty fun, and I didn't fail like I thought.

My obersvations:
Kabutops leads seem to be getting pretty popular. It can set up rocks and spin, while easily dealing with Froslass and Ambipom.
Scyther is a monster. I use SD but I've been thinking about CB. Scyther just loves all the Venusaurs right now.
Lokou has been really underwhelming. If I didn't need the extra insurance against electric I would've dumped it already.
CroMiltank is beast. Scrappy makes sure Ghosts don't stop it, and it's special defense is decent enough. And pretty much all fighting attacks are physical so it can take em anyway.


If I was to run any Blaziken right now, it'd definitely be Scarf.