Nkululeko is correct for all of the many reasons he listed.
You don't need a paragraph to state obvious facts. Hail doesn't have the firepower to be broken and there's a reason there are Hail abusers in RU, it's not that good.Nkululeko is correct for all of the many reasons he listed.
Do you not know what a hail team looks like? Your standard hail team will look something like Abomasnow/Walrein/Froslass/Nidoqueen/Hitmontop/Slowbro with maybe one of those swapped out for something else... Toxic Spikes has no effect on them because of Nidoqueen, and SR is easily removed by Hitmontop, as double ghost is almost non-existant in uu. Heracross is Nidoqueen set-up bait, and it dies to entry hazards quickly. Of everything you listed, only Staraptor and Roserade can really pose problems for hail teams, and Staraptor will most likely be banned this round anyway. Even if its not, it'll go down by itself after getting maybe one kill.I used a hail team this round, and despite making reqs, I in no way think any part of hail is broken. It has a ton of glaring weaknesses, such as Snorlax, that are very tough to get around. Roserade also gives hail stall problems, as it absorbs Nidoqueen's Toxic Spikes and can take out Walrein, Mamoswine (not CB or LO, mine uses Lefties to make the most of Snow Cloak and to heal against Registeel and Thunder Wave Chansey. Rapid Spin is also difficult to fit on a Hail team. Hitmontop is really the only think that can be a decent Spinner. Stealth Rock and especially Toxic Spikes take care of SubSeed Abomasnow, Mamoswine, Weaville, Froslass, Raikou, Regice, and Stallrein.
The only switch in to Victini or Staraptor I could think of that fit well was Stallrein, who dies of a V-Create crit or Staraptor CC. Heracross gives hail teams a lot of problems as well. Abomasnow should stay at least until next round to see how things go after Staraptor and Mew probably leave, as well as the best Blizzard absorber in Chansey.
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Don't forget arcanine, there's like no good switch in to that thing (at least no on a normal hail team) you can out suicune but lack of recovery hurts, SR helps but only mamo can use it (and more likely than not you'll end up not having them at the start of the battle)
Heracross or Roserade are good for that.what's a good scarfer who can dispose of rock types?
yes it should be banned on all pokemon that have that ability because it of its support to an ENTIRE team..not to say abomasnow/snover is a waste of team slot, but if they didnt have snow warning then we'll be looking at them at the bottum of RU...if abomasnow goes, hail teams will be the exact same with snover around, so yes it is completely fair to ban all users of snow warning..I just don't even know why Snow Warning was nominated. It should only be nominated if it's broken on all its Pokemon, and we have no clue if it's broken on Snover. Has anybody here played with Snover?
Or maybe people are still in the mentality that Abomasnow IS the only Pokemon with Snow Warning, since it's the only fully-evolved Pokemon that gets it. But I'm sure we moved on from discriminating against certain Pokemon because of an in-game label that they've been given by Game Freak, which has no bearing on their competitive performance at all, back in like 2007?
Also, Vulpix wasn't banned was Drought so i guess is kind of the same, Snower and Aboma will not be banned since both have another ability (when it's released)Just looking through the suspect thread and the general consensus is that Abomasnow isn't the one that's broken, it's the hail, which in turn makes Mamoswine, Froslass and Walrein able to troll the opponent, especially when Hippopotas is ridiculously rare.
The bit in bold. You have no way of knowing that. If Hail is really that much of a problem, let's see what it's like with just Snover first. If you're right, and it is the same, Snover will just get banned too, and it'll be fine.yes it should be banned on all pokemon that have that ability because it of its support to an ENTIRE team..not to say abomasnow/snover is a waste of team slot, but if they didnt have snow warning then we'll be looking at them at the bottum of RU...if abomasnow goes, hail teams will be the exact same with snover around, so yes it is completely fair to ban all users of snow warning..