Um I'll have you know Milotic is very good :[
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Where did you find this information out? I just wanna know for sure, because I heard that Hippo is rising, and Volc + Luc are dropping :[
you're right on that, it's just that due to the three month usage thing, the tier shifts wont occur until next month.
here are the usage stats for uu, idk if the correct one is this one or 1695 though. http://sim.smogon.com:8080/Stats/2014-04/uu-1760.0.txt
I've asked the question before but what is really stopping non-AV Slowbro from running ice beam, and why is it so bad to run ice beam? Standard has been Scald, Ice beam, Slack off, toxic as long as I can remember. The only reason Ice beam is bad right now is because all the op dragons except for zygarde were banned and then ice beam was considered bad coverage? and then zygarde was banned because of that? unno. I just really want to know what is so amazingly better than ice beam.
And even with the "bad" (resisted) move of specs blue flare, victini still bags MAmpharos before ampharos can kill it. How is this a counter? its not even using an efficient move. And LO Sets usually carry Psychic because V-create still does too much damage uninvented so they don't need physical side for florges.
except that's not the standard set lol. if you're not using cm dualstab and slack off, you're running t-wave over toxic. and i'm not saying ice beam is a bad move, it's just that most sets couldn't find the room to run it. idk why you're not running psyshock, lol.
LO psychic does about 38-45 if you're running full on special attack investment with hasty ( or naive, w/e you choose lol), while t-bolt is a 2hko after stealth rocks. yeah. nice "bagging".
LO psychic does about 38-45 if you're running full on special attack investment with hasty ( or naive, w/e you choose lol), while t-bolt is a 2hko after stealth rocks. yeah. nice "bagging".
I'm not sure what exactly sure what the line is for something becoming standard but ice beam is used very commonly on Slowbro, which is why I don't understand why it is such a heart break for defensive slowbro to run it.
(seeing how only 26% of slowbro are AV, there is a fair amount of def slowbros running Ice beam)
And this mysterious land where counters don't have to switch into threats you live in is interesting.
Victini is faster so it will always take out ampharos because ampharos as the counter is switching in and taking a hit to begin with. So no its not a counter. Does it threaten Victini? of course but it does nothing to stop special sets. Ampharos lacking recovering means it needs to at least live 4 hits because it needs to tank at least three on the switch in to tank victini out. Unfortunately it don't, too bad.
I also like how the ampharos in question has taken no damage at all evolving before hand, I just want to mention that if ampharos takes any more than 24% damage piror to its encounter with this particular victini, it is not guaranteed to even hit Victini. If we're going to talk about actual battle scenarios then both pokemon need to be subjected to this. Ampharos lacking any sense of recovery makes it less viable as a counter in general in addition to the fact that it needs to evolve before hand to even deal with victini.
Alakazam, Goodra and Volcarona are currently in UU range so they'll drop next month if they don't get more usage.
Volcarona in UU should be... interesting to say the least.
With Manaphy's usage now dropped below OU, will it be BL or UU when it is back?
Most likely.
lol fuk volc
re: Manaphy: it's probably going to BL since it was quickbanned but was taken off the banlist because it moved up to OU. i'm probably predicting that it'll get banned again, tail glow is too strong for the tier, especially without pink blobs to tank hits...
re: Manaphy: it's probably going to BL since it was quickbanned but was taken off the banlist because it moved up to OU. i'm probably predicting that it'll get banned again, tail glow is too strong for the tier, especially without pink blobs to tank hits...
Unless I'm mistaken a Pokemon that was BL, but moved up to OU, will be placed back in BL if it drops out, so Manaphy likely won't be legal in UU unless a retest is in schedule (which it may likely be if it drops).
Also Lucario will drop to UU as well since it was barely in the Top 90. It should be interesting in UU, to say the very least.
Also Lucario will drop to UU as well since it was barely in the Top 90. It should be interesting in UU, to say the very least.
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I'm not going to argue this anymore, because you pretty much keep going in circles. But the last thing I'd like to say is that phys def MAmph runs RestTalk. I didn't bring it out because it was pretty fucking obvious.
anyways, luc's most dangerous set will probably NP due to the fact that most of the big special walls in the tier can be easily killed by either of its STABs. Megazam.. this thing might be broken, idk. I haven't used it, ever, so I can't really say for sure. Volc, this thing will probably be banned prontoalong with Quiverpass. It has such good offensive STABs, and doesn't have to worry about SR as much due to Defog buff and Roost.
I'm not going to argue this anymore, because you pretty much keep going in circles. But the last thing I'd like to say is that phys def MAmph runs RestTalk. I didn't bring it out because it was pretty fucking obvious.
anyways, luc's most dangerous set will probably NP due to the fact that most of the big special walls in the tier can be easily killed by either of its STABs. Megazam.. this thing might be broken, idk. I haven't used it, ever, so I can't really say for sure. Volc, this thing will probably be banned pronto
Guess I'll examine and analyze the potential drops as they are now:
Goodra: This thing has the potential to be really solid in UU. It has incredible special bulk and solid Special Attack, making it a cool-looking option for Assault Vest and Choice Specs. Sap Sipper is an interesting ability, but UU has a general lack of great Grass-types outside of Roserade, and maybe Celebi. While its physical Defense leaves a bit to be desired, Gooey can absolutely ruin some of the top physical attackers in the tier when you play it right. A well-timed Speed drop on stuff like Mienshao, Victini, or Darmanitan late-game can just end their chances of finishing you off. I don't think it will be broken just due to the fact it's a little on the slow side and UU's top wallbreakers / sweepers are hitting primarily from the physical side.
Lucario: This is something I absolutely predicted when Lucarionite was suspected in OU a couple of months back. Good to see I know what I"m talking about sometimes, lol. Anyway, Lucario seems to fit really well in UU. He has great mixed attacking stats, 3 different boosting moves, and can run different Choice sets as well. SD, Agility, and NP would all be viable imo due to the current state of the metagame. NP would probably be best since Luke's STABs maim top special walls, though its lack of powerful priority leaves it very suspect to being revenge killed. Choice Specs is another set that probably has potential due to its STABs being super effective against top special walls in Umbreon, Florges, and P2. I don't think it would be broken since Luke's frailty makes it hard to setup with and base 90 Speed still leaves it outpaced by some important things, but it would certainly be powerful.
Volcarona: Don't think I need to say much on this. Quiver Dance makes this thing a beast and one of the only reasons it would drop to UU is because of Talonflame and Mega-Pinsir up in OU ruining its day at almost every corner. Were it not for these two, it would still be a solid OU Pokemon. As it stands, it would be pretty damn broken in UU considering it can use the two top special walls, Florges and Umbreon, as complete setup fodder. Definitely BL material if it drops imo.
Alakazam: Mega-Gardevoir 2.0 if this thing drops. May not be quite as powerful thanke to a lack of Pixilate, but it's much, much faster. Trace can also make this thing crazy hard to take down. Ever thought Gardevoir was a pain to take down if it Traced Sheer Force from that Nidoking or Nidoqueen that just KOed something? Yeah, imagine this thing after Tracing Sheer Force. About the only thing that would have a shot against it defensively is Umbreon since Focus Blast is so notorious for missing and Ala would have to hit two of them in a row to beat Umbreon. Otherwise, Psyshock + Focus Blast deals with most special walls / tanks in UU right now. Definitely think it would be BL if it were to drop.
Goodra: This thing has the potential to be really solid in UU. It has incredible special bulk and solid Special Attack, making it a cool-looking option for Assault Vest and Choice Specs. Sap Sipper is an interesting ability, but UU has a general lack of great Grass-types outside of Roserade, and maybe Celebi. While its physical Defense leaves a bit to be desired, Gooey can absolutely ruin some of the top physical attackers in the tier when you play it right. A well-timed Speed drop on stuff like Mienshao, Victini, or Darmanitan late-game can just end their chances of finishing you off. I don't think it will be broken just due to the fact it's a little on the slow side and UU's top wallbreakers / sweepers are hitting primarily from the physical side.
Lucario: This is something I absolutely predicted when Lucarionite was suspected in OU a couple of months back. Good to see I know what I"m talking about sometimes, lol. Anyway, Lucario seems to fit really well in UU. He has great mixed attacking stats, 3 different boosting moves, and can run different Choice sets as well. SD, Agility, and NP would all be viable imo due to the current state of the metagame. NP would probably be best since Luke's STABs maim top special walls, though its lack of powerful priority leaves it very suspect to being revenge killed. Choice Specs is another set that probably has potential due to its STABs being super effective against top special walls in Umbreon, Florges, and P2. I don't think it would be broken since Luke's frailty makes it hard to setup with and base 90 Speed still leaves it outpaced by some important things, but it would certainly be powerful.
Volcarona: Don't think I need to say much on this. Quiver Dance makes this thing a beast and one of the only reasons it would drop to UU is because of Talonflame and Mega-Pinsir up in OU ruining its day at almost every corner. Were it not for these two, it would still be a solid OU Pokemon. As it stands, it would be pretty damn broken in UU considering it can use the two top special walls, Florges and Umbreon, as complete setup fodder. Definitely BL material if it drops imo.
Alakazam: Mega-Gardevoir 2.0 if this thing drops. May not be quite as powerful thanke to a lack of Pixilate, but it's much, much faster. Trace can also make this thing crazy hard to take down. Ever thought Gardevoir was a pain to take down if it Traced Sheer Force from that Nidoking or Nidoqueen that just KOed something? Yeah, imagine this thing after Tracing Sheer Force. About the only thing that would have a shot against it defensively is Umbreon since Focus Blast is so notorious for missing and Ala would have to hit two of them in a row to beat Umbreon. Otherwise, Psyshock + Focus Blast deals with most special walls / tanks in UU right now. Definitely think it would be BL if it were to drop.
Mega Zam is really underwhelming in the OU Meta due to all the strong priority flying around making his speed tier almost irrelevant and that other Megas give it huge competition for the Mega slot. However, here in UU both of these are really mitigated as the most common priority in here is Sucker Punch, which Zam can bypass with a Disable and some mind games (It gets good coverage with just 3 attacks in STAB + Fairy/Ghost or Fight/Ghost) and the fact that most teams can function without a Mega. Magic Guard is always nice, and Trace is also useful as it allows Zam to beat weather teams by tracing their Swify Swim/Chlorophyll, and thanks to it 150 speed tier it is guranteed that it will outspeed. Foul Play is even an option to revenge kill physical attackers (especially boosted ones) as most physical attackers in this tier don't have good defenses (i.e. Darm/Tini). Even normal Zam can be p. goid with just a standard Magic Guard Sash revenge killer set. Such versatility will bring it to BL no doubt.
Also holy shite 175 SpA broken as fuck in UU
Just letting everyone know that it looks like quagsire, smeargle, gardevoir, manectric :( and medicham (lol regular medicham sucks in uu) may be rising to ou
also scolipede rose to ou so that is 3 less things the uu council has to retest: scolipede, mega gardevoir and mega medicham
also scolipede rose to ou so that is 3 less things the uu council has to retest: scolipede, mega gardevoir and mega medicham
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Aw man I hope megaman doesn't rise, It's so much fun to play against :(
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Unless it suddenly drops in usage next month (probably not, it's pretty good in OU) I doubt it won't.
| 47 | Manectric | 3.83896% | 147261 | 3.101% | 121233 | 3.230% |
He's volt-switching out of UU. So long Super Electro Puppy ;_;7
That's a pretty nice position for a mega that a lot of people were saying was one of the worst at the start of gen 6. Good on you, Megaman
As for the potential newcomers, Goodra is fine, it absorbs special hits like a sponge, but its lack of recovery and so-so power makes it no problem to deal with for UU. This drop's probably a little overdue.
Alakazam gives me the willies a bit. Its mega is so stupidly fast and strong and there's not as much strong priority to take care of it as there is in OU. Even without the mega, you've got regular Zam with Life Orb or Sash to contend with. I think this has the potential to be OP in this tier, although I guess there is stuff that can handle it. If it's allowed, I think it'll be a meta-defining force.
Lucario looks pretty strong. While the standard always seemed to be SD physical sets, I think Mega-Luke's reign of terror awoke people to how unpredictable this poke can be with its mixed attacking stats and strong boosting moves on either side. While regular Luke doesn't quite command the same threat level of sweeping the whole tier in an instant if you fail to predict whether it's special or physical like Mega Luke did, it'll still be a very strong threat and something to definitely pay attention for.
If Volcarona is allowed, it's guaranteed to tear the whole tier a new asshole, I don't think there'll be any ifs and buts about that. There's no priority brave bird or flying-type quick attack here, and with Crawdaunt being banned and Azumarill in OU there's no Aqua Jets strong enough to keep it in check if it sets up QD either. Anything that attempts to wall it will just get set up on and torn down. Please based admins, don't let this get a foothold in the tier.
As for the potential newcomers, Goodra is fine, it absorbs special hits like a sponge, but its lack of recovery and so-so power makes it no problem to deal with for UU. This drop's probably a little overdue.
Alakazam gives me the willies a bit. Its mega is so stupidly fast and strong and there's not as much strong priority to take care of it as there is in OU. Even without the mega, you've got regular Zam with Life Orb or Sash to contend with. I think this has the potential to be OP in this tier, although I guess there is stuff that can handle it. If it's allowed, I think it'll be a meta-defining force.
Lucario looks pretty strong. While the standard always seemed to be SD physical sets, I think Mega-Luke's reign of terror awoke people to how unpredictable this poke can be with its mixed attacking stats and strong boosting moves on either side. While regular Luke doesn't quite command the same threat level of sweeping the whole tier in an instant if you fail to predict whether it's special or physical like Mega Luke did, it'll still be a very strong threat and something to definitely pay attention for.
If Volcarona is allowed, it's guaranteed to tear the whole tier a new asshole, I don't think there'll be any ifs and buts about that. There's no priority brave bird or flying-type quick attack here, and with Crawdaunt being banned and Azumarill in OU there's no Aqua Jets strong enough to keep it in check if it sets up QD either. Anything that attempts to wall it will just get set up on and torn down. Please based admins, don't let this get a foothold in the tier.
But Victini can KO it before it has a chance to wake up, the only reason I didn't think rest talk is because Ampharos can't safely do it to victini since it can be a guaranteed 3HKO. Unless you're lucky and get two good attacks in a row with sleep talk then Ampharos isn't a counter. But hey you have to get lucky to deal with it potentially every set totally balanced, moving on!
As for those usage stats. I'll be very sad to see Mega man go, he was my jam. But he does deal with OU just fine and I have an HP ice one bred in my X so I at least have one that is OU ready.
It's always nice to see smeargle go, too much lolspore or loldarkvoid, having to bring a fake out lead just to stop this thing from bagging a team member is really annoying. Taunt works too but its super obvious and magic coat.
Hey look, Ice beam is still one of slowbro's top 4 moves, even without zygarde in the tier.
Crawdaunt is currently being tested for an unban BTW, which would really help for revenge-killing purposes. That said, to celebrate Hydreigon returning to UU, I have made a new set:
Hydreigon (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Nature: Adamant
-Outrage
-Substitute
-Roost
-Head Smash
This is a physical SubRoost set that lures in and destroys special walls. Standard Umbreon is 2HKOd by Outrage and Florges is eventually smashed to bits with Head Smash (Sub as it switches in and then proceed to destroy it; Hydreigon always outspeeds Florges unless speed control techniques are involved). Roost ensures Hydreigon does not get worn down too quickly from heavy recoil.
Replays:
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/uu-116165448
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/uu-115912880 (alas this win was by hax)
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/uu-115910039
Alakazam would be very interesting in UU. Last gen, it was UU until people realized it's one of the best RK in the game with Magic Guard + Focus Sash. I haven't seen too much of Mega Zam to really comment on it though. But, it looks like most of UU's premiere special walls have trouble standing up to Mega Zam:
252 SpA Mega Alakazam Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Snorlax: 202-238 (43.8 - 51.6%) -- 8.2% chance to 2HKO
252 SpA Mega Alakazam Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Florges: 225-265 (62.5 - 73.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Mega Alakazam Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Umbreon: 196-232 (49.7 - 58.8%) -- 74.2% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
If you add some hazards into the mix and Mega Zam is a huge threat. It could run Magic Guard to switch in and not be worn down by hazards and mega evolve. Then, it would be time to be the Cereal Killer of Pokemon!!!
Get it? Cereal, with all those spoons.... ahh nevermind! lol
But seriously, Mega Zam is broken when it can 2HKO the top Sp Def walls of UU. If we ban Alakazamite, then Zam would be a very good check to boosting pokes that can't break the sash (Cloyster for example)
252 SpA Mega Alakazam Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Snorlax: 202-238 (43.8 - 51.6%) -- 8.2% chance to 2HKO
252 SpA Mega Alakazam Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Florges: 225-265 (62.5 - 73.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Mega Alakazam Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Umbreon: 196-232 (49.7 - 58.8%) -- 74.2% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
If you add some hazards into the mix and Mega Zam is a huge threat. It could run Magic Guard to switch in and not be worn down by hazards and mega evolve. Then, it would be time to be the Cereal Killer of Pokemon!!!
Get it? Cereal, with all those spoons.... ahh nevermind! lol
But seriously, Mega Zam is broken when it can 2HKO the top Sp Def walls of UU. If we ban Alakazamite, then Zam would be a very good check to boosting pokes that can't break the sash (Cloyster for example)
? Cloyster is a prime example of a boosting sweeper that /beats/ sashes. I think you may mean something else like say Mega Houndoom.
I'm honestly not sure as to the effect of Alakazite in UU but it seems really broken on paper with Disable to troll sucker punchers, and that it gets really random shit like Taunt and Encore too (like, really, wtf?).
I'm honestly not sure as to the effect of Alakazite in UU but it seems really broken on paper with Disable to troll sucker punchers, and that it gets really random shit like Taunt and Encore too (like, really, wtf?).
I meant cloyster is one of those boosters zam cant check since it can break zams sash. I think it camw out wonky lok
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