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Sleep Talk Wailord anyone? Waterfall/Body Slam/Rest/Sleep Talk instead of Bold Nature cause paralysis helps against fast Fire sweepers and RD sweepers as well
 
Not on a set thats meant to take hits and is so slow. However wouldnt you be better off using surf and icebeam? The current popular water types are quagsire and gastrodon who are neutral to icebeam and you'll still be doing ok damage against the frail sharpedo and floatzel.
 
Sceats said:
Not on a set thats meant to take hits and is so slow. However wouldnt you be better off using surf and icebeam? The current popular water types are quagsire and gastrodon who are neutral to icebeam and you'll still be doing ok damage against the frail sharpedo and floatzel.
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But Gastrodon's Sp.Def is better than its Def. Also, a lot of sweepers tend to have have lower Def than Sp.Def (Ninetales, Typhlosion, Primeape, Magmortar) plus Water/Normal gives better coverage than Water/Ice that gets walled by a lot of bulky water (Mantine, Politoed, Walrein)
 
I'm having real trouble finding a Water resist that has decent bulk and power and actually lets you maintain momentum. Anyone got any ideas?
 
How about Shiftry?
This one can't really be revenged by fire tpyes, can sweep (Absol style), and resists water.

If you need some bulk, Exeggutor can be the one (providing you got rid of Skuntank).

Outside of grass types... well, Quagsire and Lapras are your best bets, i guess
 
Yeah, I'm definitely trying Exeggutor - just fishing to see if there was anything I'd overlooked. Specs Leaf Storm OHKOs 4/0 Skuntank with SR.

Exeggutor + Ninetales is an incredible offensive core this format.
 
Ice-eyes said:
Yeah, I'm definitely trying Exeggutor - just fishing to see if there was anything I'd overlooked. Specs Leaf Storm OHKOs 4/0 Skuntank with SR.

Exeggutor + Ninetales is an incredible offensive core this format.
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I'm finding Sun teams are pretty dominant,scarf Typhlosion+LO Exeggutor+Ninetales/Magmortar is basically impossible to stop in the sun.
 
I would just use Curse Rest Talk Lapras with Avalanche or Waterfall.

It is lethal on Battle Factory because there's no CH hax for you to worry about. And Lapras bulk is among the highest ones (not even Vaporeon matches Lapras bulk... even if both has the exact same special bulkyness).

Pair it with a ghost for all those fighting types. Electric attacks are hard to wall, but Lapras can take those pretty well (Manectric won't KO it even with Specs).
 
so does anyone here use SD shiftry? ever snce platinum he got a viable physical movepool, sucker punch, seed bomb, brick break, explosion are some of his options for a SD set, i had some sucess with this in all tiers, even ubers.
 
Lucalibur said:
so does anyone here use SD shiftry? ever snce platinum he got a viable physical movepool, sucker punch, seed bomb, brick break, explosion are some of his options for a SD set, i had some sucess with this in all tiers, even ubers.
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I've used it in Ubers because of the specially oriented metagame and the perma sun. I think mixed is better in lower tiers
 
I use SD Shiftry sometimes, and I find it to be really useful. SD, Sucker Punch, Seed Bomb, Low Kick. After a SD, you get the somewhat unexpected OHKO on Registeel with Low Kick. Sucker Punch lets you run Adamant, giving you more power than you'd expect. Most often his problem comes from fast pokemon playing games with Sucker Punch. He has some nice resistances, so pulling of a SD isn't that hard.
 
I'm probably going to be a joke, but did anyone try Dragon Dance Dragonair? (Shelgon has higher attack but lower speed)

Dragonair @ Life Orb
252 Atk 252 Spe 4 HP
Jolly nature
Shed Skin ability
-Dragon Dance
-Outrage
-Waterfall
-ExtremeSpeed

This acts like Latias from OU, only a physical one. Outrage and Waterfall are excellent options, as it allows you to hit those pesky fires that are going to dominate the tier like someone here said, STAB Outrage further boosted from LO is a complete menace, as the lack of steel types to come onto you is a huge advantage, so being locked onto Outrage isn't bad at all. ExtremeSpeed completes the set so scarfed things won't piss on you.
It has a pretty shallow movepool but it can be utilized, if you think ES is unnecessary Thunder Wave feels like a fine option.
What makes Dragonair a good choice is that it resists fire and can hit them with SE +1 Waterfall, which most fires won't enjoy.

Another weird possibility is Taillow and Larvitar, Taillow has decent speed, and Larvitar can both abuse Guts AND have Rock Polish, making his redicolus 199 speed into a blazing 398.
Like I said they are weird and it didn't sprinkle to my mind that Urasering outclasses both.

By the way, is Sneasel any of use? Despite Fires running rampant, not all are scarfed and Sneasel might actually do something to them.
 
perhaps trying seadra similar to that on a rain dance team, with STAB on waterfall and a higher speed, but a lower attack. Seadra may work as a special or mixed attacker (afer a DD) on a rain dance team, which should increase in popularity to counter fire teams
 
STAB Outrage is stronger than SE Waterfall.
You could, however, go mixed. I wouldn't know the EVs, but, this could be nifty on a Rain Dance team...
Agility/Dragon Dance
Outrage
Surf
Thunder/Thunder Wave

Or, for full special, Draco Meteor over Outrage. (Do NFEs even get Meteor?)
 
Linkshot said:
STAB Outrage is stronger than SE Waterfall.
You could, however, go mixed. I wouldn't know the EVs, but, this could be nifty on a Rain Dance team...
Agility/Dragon Dance
Outrage
Surf
Thunder/Thunder Wave

Or, for full special, Draco Meteor over Outrage. (Do NFEs even get Meteor?)
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It needs all the power it can get.
And SE Waterfall will probably decimate those fires, so you're not locked onto a move. This means that you won't get confused early. I know it's stronger, but you still get great coverage.
It does have Draco Meteor which is more worthy than Thunder/Wave, 140 + STAB = awesome. Not exactly a MixMence but can still hit hard. Despite having a below average special attack. (My opinion though)

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Even things that resist explosion takes major damage from it as it cuts defense.

@Seadra dude
IMO Kingler kinda outclasses it if it's not in RD. Kingler only needs two moves, Crabhammer and Return, and two stat ups Agility and Sword Dance. Kingler has also base 115 defenses so it can shrug off a weaker attack and get the speed it needs so much.
 
I don't think Dragon Dance Dragonair is that good - sure, it gives you the excellent resistances, especially Water and Fire, but it's also so frail that the powerful Fire- and Water-type attacks in the tier will often 2HKO anyway. There are generally better stat-up sweepers. The only really viable Dragon, I think, is Shelgon - it can use its respectable physical bulk to get a couple of DDs in and then wreak havoc with its actually good Attack stat.
 
Primeape is a really hard pokemon to wear down because it's very difficult to hit it with an attack - if it isn't OHKOing you (or 2HKOing on the switch-in), it's probably getting OHKOd (especially with Close Combat drops), so people don't leave it in to take hits. You would need at the very least to put up Spikes + SR, make it switch in twice, and then Sucker Punch it. It's a big ask and, given that Shiftry also can't really hit Skuntank you're not going to be sweeping most teams any time soon.
 
Base 95 defense isn't too good, but not too bad actually.

By the way, anyone has an idea for a CM Gardevoir set? Or should I just use the one on the article?
 
CM Espeon badly outclasses CM Gardevoir - the best Voir set in NU is probably the one which best abuses its superior movepool and typing:
Life Orb
Modest/Timid
Trace
4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe
Psychic
Focus Blast
Shadow Ball
Will-o-Wisp

That set lets you rampage through the opposing team, taking advantage of Gardevoir's decent bulk to burn opponents and then tank hits on both sides.
 
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