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Keep in mind also, that those pokemon may be hurt while battling, but you can just save Ninetales (as all the late game sweepers) until they're weak, so you can own them all)
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If it applies to all late game sweepers, then why is Ninetales so special?

I don't deny that Ninetales can be a good late game sweeper, but I wasn't arguing that point. I was challenging your claim that that Ninetales set can't be walled, and I have subsequently shown that it can.

Though if you ask me, I've never been overly keen on the idea of Ninetales as a late game sweeper. I prefer my late game sweepers to be less prone to revenge killing.
 
Riverside said:
Doesnt Dusclops/Sableye/Gastly/Faster pokemon (depending on set) stop Zangoose? But it's very threatening without a ghost and a at least 100 base speed pokemon.
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i run shadow claw on mine = ghosts not a problem. return/cc/shadow claw type covers everything at least neutral i believe. the only thing it fears is something faster that can hit moderately hard, it can usually take like one non-super effective hit in NU .. so just try to clear faster threats beforehand.
 
Has anyone tried using Lickilicky? I tried using a SD version and it did pretty nicely - decent defenses to take a few hits and set up, and the galaxy-shattering force that is STAB explosion. The metagame seems to be a bit too offensive, but it can still set up on most tanks easily.
 
starcrusher said:
i run shadow claw on mine = ghosts not a problem. return/cc/shadow claw type covers everything at least neutral i believe. the only thing it fears is something faster that can hit moderately hard, it can usually take like one non-super effective hit in NU .. so just try to clear faster threats beforehand.
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I tried a countersasher gastly once. It worked wonders aginst physical sweepers.
 
Zangoose is a great poke, but the problem is, he has to choose either quick attack or shadow claw. But having a higher attack stat than lucario at the expense of weaker priority isn't too bad. Especiably if venemoth gets the agility and substitute pass off, then he doesn't even need quick attack.
 
After a long discussion back at the NU server; we found that specs entei with eruption is a very very strong pokemon as well. Among few of the counters are slowbro, munchlax, and gastrodon who only take around 38%-45% from a specs eruption.
 
problem is, with his poor movepool, once his eruption gets weakened, he has trouble getting powerfull attaks off. However, I could imagine specs enteir being an excellent replacement for sweeping tangrowth on my sun team.
 
Another set I was able to use to pretty good success:

Magneton @ Leftovers
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 76 HP/180 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Charge Beam

The speed EV is a bit arbitrary. I can't even remember what I'm trying to outspeed here - some help would be nice. Anyways, this thing sets up freely on a LOT of stuff, particularly Gardevoir without Focus Blast but also a variety of other things, and once it gets a couple of boosts it's almost guaranteed a couple of kills.
 
I'm surprised most people aren't using Zangoose. With a little paralysis support he can be a real threat. Though the choice between priority or walled by ghosts is a tough one.
 
FolgorioTehKickAss said:
After a long discussion back at the NU server; we found that specs entei with eruption is a very very strong pokemon as well. Among few of the counters are slowbro, munchlax, and gastrodon who only take around 38%-45% from a specs eruption.
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Slwobro is UU, I assume you mean Slowking?
 
Dimidium said:
I'm surprised most people aren't using Zangoose. With a little paralysis support he can be a real threat. Though the choice between priority or walled by ghosts is a tough one.
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With para support hit ghost wins, right?

W/o it it's a different story.

About Entei: I dont see him as Choice user, Flash fire pokemon can switch in w/o problems and Life orb may be ok for 2 eruptions boost, plus you can switch between attacks.

Maybe charcoal... you only rely on eruption anyways but you can switch attacks for supporting (toxic for other fire or dunno, I dont have entei's movepool at hand)
 
Lemmiwinks MkII said:
If it applies to all late game sweepers, then why is Ninetales so special?
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Because "safe switch in" are very few and most people with only use 1 of them in a team. This is without having in count that a safe switch isnt that safe with Hynosis threat (You can't surely tell if a Nine runs Dark pulse, Hypnosis or Hidden rock unless the user shows it) (Whats the point on using gardevoir and grumpig in the same team?) (Less than 5 counters in the metagame with most pokemon btw)

As with zangoose faster pokemon are a pain to deal, but still you may be able to at least KO one pokemon unless the foe run many fast pokemon.

Looking at that, he's like many OU threats: Without real counter (Can you say Infernape, Lucario, Garchomp, Wobby maybe Gyara or dunno)

For example what Lucario does in OU it's using ES, SD, CC and a last attack for coverage: With crunch he can deal with ghost in a switch in or if they're slower, with ice punch he deals with Gliscor and so other attacking options, it's so unpredictable that you can't just switch in without worries, that's if it's physical and not mixed or special. Of course with crunch you can say Gliscor walls it, or with Ice punch Dusknoir but you can't be sure.

EDIT: Ah crap! double post, sorry.
 
I think we need to ban Linoone as soon as possible. I made a teams which gets rid of his counters for the most part, and sets him up with Memento Jumpluff, and I honestly think it's broken :P
 
My predicted top threats in NU:

Entei, Choice Scarf + Stab Eruption really hurts almost anything that doesn't resist it. And for what does, Hidden Power Grass and Stone Edge ruin them.

Slowking, it has great stats, can beat Enteis, has access to Nasty Plot, and has STAB surfs to take UU on almost anyday.

Slaking, the bulky monster that rips out almost every Pokemon with a Choice Band Return. Taking hits from most Pokemon in NU is something that just echos UU!

Ramparados, who can force a switch, get a Rock Polish and hit 400 something speed, and with a 160 attack Stat, what it deals WILL hurt.

Hitmonchan, who works just like Ramparados, only it is faster, can hit hard with powered up Focus Punches, can really hit hard with it's powerful coverage. As can Scarf Medicham.
 
SHUCKLE MAN said:
Linoone is already allowed in UU, and it's not that much of a problem.

All NU Pokemon can be used in UU.
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The problem is that most people won't use a Pokemon unless it's in the same tier that the rest of the team is, because they assume NU is always worse than UU. Moving it up would make the number of Linoone in UU (and OU) teams increase.
 
Only noobs think that way, If a pokemon is rare in a tier it is probably because it does not preform well in that tier.
 
Xaqwais said:
Scrubs/noobs are smart enough to use Dual Screen Memento Uxie.

Doesn't change the fact that he's still way broken.
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It's still the old saying - if you think something belongs in a tier but it's below, go and use it and win with it. Eventually you'll convince other people to use it.

PS: Totally off topic but I'm pretty sure that "of" from "be of" in your signature is not supposed to be there.
 
RegalStar said:
It's still the old saying - if you think something belongs in a tier but it's below, go and use it and win with it. Eventually you'll convince other people to use it.

PS: Totally off topic but I'm pretty sure that "of" from "be of" in your signature is not supposed to be there.
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Exactly what i'm doing with Lopunny. She'll be out of NU by the next tier update. :3
 
RegalStar said:
It's still the old saying - if you think something belongs in a tier but it's below, go and use it and win with it. Eventually you'll convince other people to use it.

PS: Totally off topic but I'm pretty sure that "of" from "be of" in your signature is not supposed to be there.
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That's what happen with Chomp and wobby, right? :3

Anyone has tried Dustox? he's an awesome wall, at least in ou.
 
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