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NU Discussion Thread
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While leafeon may easily be one of the most underated and useful nu's he isnt broken by a long stretch since he is so easily checked by threats such as aggron, regice and articuno.
Well I'm surprised anyone could make any NU broken claims without including Snover / Glaceon.
Snover makes quite a few Pokemon broken (Glaceon in particular), but Glaceon is also quite ridiculous on its own.
Glaceon OHKOes a huge portion of the metagame, with power only comparable to Latios, who was voted Uber during its test. The only reasons it didn't work in UU are Registeel / Chansey.
Medicham is also one of my favorites, and quite possibly broken.
Snover makes quite a few Pokemon broken (Glaceon in particular), but Glaceon is also quite ridiculous on its own.
Glaceon OHKOes a huge portion of the metagame, with power only comparable to Latios, who was voted Uber during its test. The only reasons it didn't work in UU are Registeel / Chansey.
Medicham is also one of my favorites, and quite possibly broken.
I wouldn't be quick to accuse Glaceon of being broken, with only 65 Base Speed. Although Glaceon's defenses aren't frail, its typing is, and it's not hard to find a super effective move.
However Snover does deserve some suspect spotlight, creating the stalling machine that is Stallrein, and to a lesser extent, Glalie. Glaceon is also improved by hail. Many people rely on revenge killers like Medicham to get rid of Glaceon, but when Hi-Jump Kick's already shaky 90% accuracy is reduced 20 more percent, Glaceon does become much harder to kill.
However Snover does deserve some suspect spotlight, creating the stalling machine that is Stallrein, and to a lesser extent, Glalie. Glaceon is also improved by hail. Many people rely on revenge killers like Medicham to get rid of Glaceon, but when Hi-Jump Kick's already shaky 90% accuracy is reduced 20 more percent, Glaceon does become much harder to kill.
Venomoth is a million times better then beedrill. It has access to Sleep Powder, Bulkier stats, and Tinted lens, which makes everything think twice before it switches in.
I'm not all too fond of suicide leads in NU at the moment. Bulkier leads like Bibarel and Venomoth set up their Entry Hazards just fine without a focus sash. To top that off, the things that can pose a serious threat will still be a neusance with a Focus sash (Purugly, Persian).
I actually want to get back on the subject of Venomoth for a second. Thanks to Tinted Lens, the thing is one amazing pokemon. All it needs is Bug Buzz and it can devote the rest of its moveset to Support options like Baton Pass and Toxic Spikes. With a pair of choice specs on, the only thing that stands as a reasonable switch in is Regice (And Mantine I guess, but he's no where as common as Regice). In the late game, its decent 90 base speed and the unresisted STAB Bug Buzz make it an awesome cleaner.
What other combos have you guys noticed seem to work? Apart from the obvious tangice/hypgrowth theres
bastioblim: bastiodon serves as an awesome mixed mall and one of the few steels in nu, but with its fighting and ground weak its easy to wall.However, drifblim is immune to both of these attacks and often when it gets a substitute up, it can get to unburden/petaya range and sweep with little effort and fear from linoones espeed and hitmonchans mach punch.
ive also used dual screen + memento macargo and linoone to great success as its very easy to pull off a sweep.
bastioblim: bastiodon serves as an awesome mixed mall and one of the few steels in nu, but with its fighting and ground weak its easy to wall.However, drifblim is immune to both of these attacks and often when it gets a substitute up, it can get to unburden/petaya range and sweep with little effort and fear from linoones espeed and hitmonchans mach punch.
ive also used dual screen + memento macargo and linoone to great success as its very easy to pull off a sweep.
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I've been using Probopass (pretty much the same as Bastiodon) and Drifblim to great sucess.
I'm using Probopass with Earth Power/Power Gem/Thunder Wave/Rest and Drifblim with Shadow Ball/HP Fighting/Calm Mind/Substitute. Probopass can wall so much stuff and with paralysis support, Drifblim can easily switch in and set up a substitute before the opponent can hit him.
The fact that the 2 of them match up almost perrfectly resistance wise is great too :)
Tangrowth and Bibarel work pretty well together too. Although BoltBeam rips through them, Bibarel can easily set up SR first turn and weaken any walls with Super Fang, and Tangrowth can Leech Seed and trouble 'mons, or instead I'm using a bulky specs user (STAB Leaf Storm hurts). Tangrowth can easily switch in on any Close Combats and set up a Leech Seed as the opponent switches out. Anything trying to set up while you Leech Seed can be beaten by just switching Bibarel in (Unaware ftw).
Couple of good combos there.
Though I'm guessing it's going to be a long time until the best combos are discovered amidst the huge tier.
As in, Registeel and Slowbro? They're both UU :s
Unless you mean Regice. Though there's nothing ending in "bro" in NU.
Ah bugger it I'll let you explain yourself.
Regice is usually broken down by any Fighting attack really.
Flareon and Rapidash are both mixed sweepers who can break through a lot in this tier. Rapidash has the speed advantage but Flareon has much better attacking stats (30 more base Atk, 15 more base SpAtk) and his Fighting attack is much more powerful (Double Kick vs Superpower), so either of them have enough strength to break down a lot of offensive combos.
In fact with some speed investment on Flareon it can break a hell of a lot. I'm gonna put him on my team...
Isnt't it better to use fire attacks from fire types?
Rapidash can use Flare Blitz and Flareon can use Fire Fang, but for Flareon: Use Superpower. It's more powerful than a stabbed Fire Fang.
yeah, i use tangice so when i was team building one of the first things i looked for was a resist or immunity. i also use sunny day on tangrowth so it can act as a mixed wall and have good recovery (synthesis)
So i placed a banded rapidash team and with flareblitz....the only things that can stop it are rhydon and relicanth. Its really antimetagame at the moment, especially with megahorn stopping slowking
So i placed a banded rapidash team and with flareblitz....the only things that can stop it are rhydon and relicanth. Its really antimetagame at the moment, especially with megahorn stopping slowking
It's not exactly set-up bait or a good switch in thanks to Sludge Bomb.
Of coarse scarfers will outspeed anything. Venomoth still has 90 base Speed (great speed in NU) and will be outspeeding a lot of things. The Attack movepool problem is easily patched up with tinted lens. No NU pokemon can resist Sludge Bomb and Bug Buzz with it.
Also, I'd hate to rain on the wall resistance parade, but the Ghost/Fighting perfect coverage combo rips through it. :(
At this point, I've had amazing success with Calm Mind Entei. Yes, you're not getting to use his better attack stat, but Entei works fine with 90 base speed. To top that off, entei's got 100 base speed and HUGE subs. In late or Mid game, if he gets one Calm Mind up behind a substitute, I could be good game!
Problem is most venomoth are choiced and thats easy for drifblim to set up on, and if its stuck on sludge bomb then you can normally pull out the, aggron/bastiodon/phobopass thats normally partnered with it
@wavedash piloswine is an awesome stealth rock lead. Although bibarel and pinsir are also options
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