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Texas Cloverleaf said:
Are we confident in fort's claim as accurate and that fort/lightwolf aren't a scum team?

I'm trying to figure out why he would continue to assume the pubinspect isn't that or why he's assuming my joat claim is a lie all evidence to the contrary and can't seem to come up with a positive reasoning
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Are those posts supposed to make sense?

I'm not assuming that the pubinspect is false. I know it's false because I got a "successful action" result on my omniguard targeting lightwolf. Both nights.
My reasoning is that I'm claiming omniguard and targeted lightwolf, which would make the pubinspect bull because it couldn't have targeted lightwolf.
From that, we can see that the announcer is trying to get lightwolf lynched. Town should not be faking an inspect to get their claims across, so it's reasonable to assume that the announcer is scum. Because they're scum, you're likely to be scum after having been "cleared" by the announcement.

Texas Cloverleaf said:
If that were the case lightwolf probably is night immune and the omniguard claim would be a lie and we would want to take out lightwolf now

On the other hand I don't think I even believe he's scum, everything he's done deviates so far from me I have to imagine scum!fort makes some effort to pocket or buddy me rather than setting us diametrically opposed.
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I don't even understand that. So you think I'm lying and that lightwolf is night immune town? Why would I ever stick my neck out for him if I hadn't been telling the truth...?
Honestly pls clarify this post.

MoodyCloud said:
I had assumed you were at the very least safeguard and prob omniguard last cycle and thought most people knew it too so I still think mafia should've considered hitting you
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So what I'm getting is that your reasoning is as follows:
1) You thought I was a protective role -> 2) Therefore, lots of people should have thought the same thing -> 3) Scum should have made the same deduction -> 4) Scum should have considered killing me -> 5) My survival is suspicious.

1) Ok I have no problems with that. You can make the deductions you wish to make.
2) Are you sure lots of people thought the same way? That's both hard to prove and hard to disprove.
3) That makes sense if and only if you presume that 2 is correct, which I don't. But hey maybe I'm wrong here
4) If your presume 2 and 3 to be correct, ok.
5) Here's the bullshit deduction. Maybe what I said could be seen as a doc softclaim, but that same "softclaim" could've been luring a kill. Additionally, I'm on the "scumreads" list of quite a few people. I've been agreeing with Lightwolf on nigh-everything, so the "lightwolf = scum" announcement would also implicate me. So how is it that I'm not supposed to have survived?
Most importantly, you yourself said that they should have considered killing me. But just on the first point of potentially luring a kill, I'm not an indisputable kill target (making it a consideration instead of an obvious "oh let's kill fort the doc"), so how is my survival a scumtell?

Correct me if I got your logical thought process wrong.

Whydon said:
How do I provide "evidence" ???

Unless you mean describe what I did? I inspected Walrein n1 and then I did Martin and he showed as village.
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I think he means (sarcastically) that your results were super useful. No offense, but martin and walrein were both clear before your claim ;_;


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unvote + lynch MoodyCloud
 
Haruno said:
Agreed. Tell mafia who all our inspects are so they can kill them off xd xd xd xd.
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you know full well I was referring to the announcement and/or public inspect.

From that, we can see that the announcer is trying to get lightwolf lynched. Town should not be faking an inspect to get their claims across, so it's reasonable to assume that the announcer is scum. Because they're scum, you're likely to be scum after having been "cleared" by the announcement.
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that was my entire paragraph. I was cimply correcting the word claims into reads.
 
Fort Colorcastle said:
Are those posts supposed to make sense?

I'm not assuming that the pubinspect is false. I know it's false because I got a "successful action" result on my omniguard targeting lightwolf. Both nights.
My reasoning is that I'm claiming omniguard and targeted lightwolf, which would make the pubinspect bull because it couldn't have targeted lightwolf.
From that, we can see that the announcer is trying to get lightwolf lynched. Town should not be faking an inspect to get their claims across, so it's reasonable to assume that the announcer is scum. Because they're scum, you're likely to be scum after having been "cleared" by the announcement.
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Now this is completely reasonable and confirms the townread I was developing on you. Not clearing LightWolf by any means but you're in my town pile now.

My posts were lines of questioning intended to clarify my thoughts and check certainty on the developing public town lean on you as a result of your claim. The first line was the certainty check "Are we sure he is being truthful" and the follow up was the "here are the implications if he's not" with a final dose of "this is my take on things".
 
Although come to think of it I have a secondary question for you Fort, if you're claiming the pubinspect is an announce role because you know it couldn't have targeted LightWolf last night due to your omniguard how would the announcer have known I was town to claim it on the first night?
 
Texas Cloverleaf said:
Although come to think of it I have a secondary question for you Fort, if you're claiming the pubinspect is an announce role because you know it couldn't have targeted LightWolf last night due to your omniguard how would the announcer have known I was town to claim it on the first night?
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I think the announcer is scum.
 
If the announcer is scum, then it would make sense for what Fort is saying, then again, I almost feel like LW is scum, Texas is town and this situation was an example of reverse psychology trickery to make us go after texas (By being the 'more obvious choice to test it')

The honest bizarre of this situation is that Fort is so convinced that LW is town that he claims he shielded them twice from information abilities and other harmful abilities that in itself is super duper scummy.
 
If we've come to the conclusion that it's not a pubinspect then we don't actually need to test it, or if we do test it we don't actually need to lynch to do it. Fort doesn't omniguard LW, I throw a bodyguard at him, and someone uses their power to investigate him
 
Fort Colorcastle said:
you know full well I was referring to the announcement and/or public inspect.



that was my entire paragraph. I was cimply correcting the word claims into reads.
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Whoops lol. Didn't read the tl:dr since haven't gotten caught up yet. My b. In that context it makes more sense I suppose.

We have some problems though since you claiming to have OG'ing him that still doesn't clear him as town or not and anyone that is using your townread on him as fact is bad. I can see public inspect being false (I fucking said This day 2 but no one listened to me LMAO) so the question is why would they lie about it? Also let's not discount the possibility of wolf/faction being in this game. So there's that. Also it is possible that the pub inspect bypasses OG since I wouldn't find it unreasonable for some abilities to be unstoppable in a set up like this.
 
Haruno said:
Whoops lol. Didn't read the tl:dr since haven't gotten caught up yet. My b. In that context it makes more sense I suppose.

We have some problems though since you claiming to have OG'ing him that still doesn't clear him as town or not and anyone that is using your townread on him as fact is bad. I can see public inspect being false (I fucking said This day 2 but no one listened to me LMAO) so the question is why would they lie about it? Also let's not discount the possibility of wolf/faction being in this game. So there's that. Also it is possible that the pub inspect bypasses OG since I wouldn't find it unreasonable for some abilities to be unstoppable in a set up like this.
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hmmm that's a good point.
For example, iirc Former claims to be an unstoppable desperado vig.
 
Haruno said:
Whoops lol. Didn't read the tl:dr since haven't gotten caught up yet. My b. In that context it makes more sense I suppose.

We have some problems though since you claiming to have OG'ing him that still doesn't clear him as town or not and anyone that is using your townread on him as fact is bad. I can see public inspect being false (I fucking said This day 2 but no one listened to me LMAO) so the question is why would they lie about it? Also let's not discount the possibility of wolf/faction being in this game. So there's that. Also it is possible that the pub inspect bypasses OG since I wouldn't find it unreasonable for some abilities to be unstoppable in a set up like this.
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You claim yet?
 
Okay so for starters is has been mentioned before that the announcer could be a public question asker and wouldn't need to target, don't forget that possibility.

Then if we assume it to be a scum announcer my best guess is that both lightwolf and texas are town, painting someone as scum calls for them to be lynched in order to check the reliability of the announcer and if lightwolf flips town texas would be in a bad spot so why would scumtexas try to clean himself with such a role? Sounds very risky and I don't buy it.
Agreed that inspects should go on lightwolf WITHOUT OMNIGUARD to clear this matter instead of a lynch, don't agree that one of lightwolf/texas has to be scum. Not that lightwolf flipping scum would surprise me but hey.

Then we have acidphoenix's claim that asek is either announcer or roleblock, with mailbox guy not claiming and suggesting that maybe asek is mailbox guy. A third town roleblock would make the 2 others knightsofcydonia/smashlloyd look scummy as hell too, definitely something to get out of this flip.
 
And Fort Colorcastle about post 951 I remember seeing it be said by someone that your claim of making lightwolf untargetable made sense since an omniguard might be in the game, LAST CYCLE. Im going to look for it but scum should definitely have at least suspected you to be omniguard.
 
I've been reading through the thread, excuse my lateness. While the mass claiming is going, I suppose I should claim my role. I can kill anyone who visits me, but if I kill two villagers I die. Because of this, I have been idle to avoid killing any village roles that might inspect me.

One thing to keep in our minds is the possibility of Moody and FH being scumbuddies. There's not a huge amount of proof for it, but if Moody flips scum it's definitely possible.
Former Hope said:
If the announcer is scum, then it would make sense for what Fort is saying, then again, I almost feel like LW is scum, Texas is town and this situation was an example of reverse psychology trickery to make us go after texas (By being the 'more obvious choice to test it')

The honest bizarre of this situation is that Fort is so convinced that LW is town that he claims he shielded them twice from information abilities and other harmful abilities that in itself is super duper scummy.
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I do believe that the announcer is scum, but if my previous point about Moody and FH possibly being scumbuddies ends up being true, I'll definitely want to come back to this post. For now, I think the best lynch is MoodyCloud, and I don't think I'm likely to change my mind later this cycle. I might as well throw my vote on the bandwagon for now.

Lynch Moody
 
Some day I'll be able to have discussion without having a wagon on me, but that day has not yet arrived.
Also yeah vannilish your claim doesn't quite cut it for me and you're still on the scumread pile from last cycle, do something instead of throwing a vote and going afk for 72h if you want me to believe you're town.
 
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