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Official Smogon Tournament XII - Round 3
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bab r2 Gg.
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Poek97 turned on modjoin and made the room hidden when Specterito DC'd, in what can only be described as an act of very poor sportsmanship.
The set score is to be ruled as 1-0 as of now to Poek97 as the first game contained no shenanigans.
the above decision is undone as per this:
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/smogon-tournament-12-round-3.3566034/page-4#post-6691419
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Actually, the modjoin only lasted for around a minute, and Specterito didn't even come back in his remaining 3 minutes of time, and so the modjoin itself didn't matter much. Sure, Poek didn't do well setting it on, but he turned it off pretty soon and his opponent was still disconnected. I kinda put a doubt on this measure because it's strongly based on this topic, and, additionally, it seems to me that Specterito had very little chance of winning, so the rematch really benefits him, specially in that losing scenario. It would be nice if this could be discussed with more TDs before taking a final and irrevocable decision.
Upon testing myself, recreating the conditions that Specterito informed me about:
Specterito was playing from his phone when he disconnected from PS. When he disconnected, modjoin/hideroom was not set.
I played two test games with myself on an unregistered alt and disconnected, then set /modjoin.
When I turned off phone data and turned it on again, I got the "disconnected from PS" message. When my phone data was back, I pressed Reconnect. I was no longer signed in to my account, but I could see the room (though empty) I could log in as usual and when I did, I automatically joined the game.
When I closed the browser I used on my phone and reopened it, I was again disconnected from my account and this time I wasn't in the room. However, upon logging onto my account again, I could join my old game again with the press of a button.
With this information in mind, I am undoing the recreation between Specterito and Poek97. The set count is 2-0, as Poek wins the second game on a time out. Sorry to everybody involved for the back-and-forth.
(that said PLEASE do not turn on modjoin when your opponent DCs)
Specterito was playing from his phone when he disconnected from PS. When he disconnected, modjoin/hideroom was not set.
I played two test games with myself on an unregistered alt and disconnected, then set /modjoin.
When I turned off phone data and turned it on again, I got the "disconnected from PS" message. When my phone data was back, I pressed Reconnect. I was no longer signed in to my account, but I could see the room (though empty) I could log in as usual and when I did, I automatically joined the game.
When I closed the browser I used on my phone and reopened it, I was again disconnected from my account and this time I wasn't in the room. However, upon logging onto my account again, I could join my old game again with the press of a button.
With this information in mind, I am undoing the recreation between Specterito and Poek97. The set count is 2-0, as Poek wins the second game on a time out. Sorry to everybody involved for the back-and-forth.
(that said PLEASE do not turn on modjoin when your opponent DCs)
Lost vs shoka in some close games, ggs.
I'm not gonna take away from shoka's win at all because he still had to outplay me to win, and he did so very well, but those bits of hax are definitely what put the series in reasonable reach for him, and i'm inevitably salty because that's what'll happen when you were very seriously considering making the plays that still would have won the game despite the rng, but ended up choosing another option, for two games. It honestly sucks to be out so early but i'm at least happy to be able to take this as a learning experience (both that i should stop playing rngmons, and also how I can possibly play it better) and that i will have slightly more free time. Anyway now that i've thought the series over and expressed myself i feel a lot better (even though I oh so wish i had won this series), gg's again to shoka and gl for the rest of ost.
e: in restrospect, this post was really unnecessary (even though it did help me feel a bit better) and its not hard to misunderstand it, but my intention wasn't to discredit shoka or bitch about hax, please don't interpret this post as that. I'd be really happy if you could gain a bit of insight from my overview of the games, however. :)
Just note that i'm not really going to be angry a bit from now, but the few tiny things that tilted the games out of my favor are really annoying me rn so I need to get it out somewhere. Part of this is also me kicking myself for not listening to my instincts, I tell myself so many times to just trust myself but sometimes I let my head take over my heart. At least this series hopefully has made it clear to myself that I can't ignore myself in the future. Also without replays you won't understand this at all, but i guess that's just more incentive to watch me upload commentary of the series to youtube! ;)
e: the language and tone of this may not be the best but i'm hoping you can gain more from this than "he's upset he got haxed" because that wasn't even something i was really upset about at the time of writing this.
G1: The end game scald burn + miss didn't matter at all, and if anything, I wasn't exactly happy with it either since I wanted to set up lando on ttar to guarantee the win (crits + misses might have resulted in clef somehow winning, but this seems really unlikely regardless). The game was pretty much won for me regardless because of plays and team matchup to an extent.
G2: First i don't trust my instincts and predict keld lead, yay for me. So I miss a wisp early on. Splendid. I mean it has to miss eventually but that was quite an annoying one. Now later on in the game I have to double wisp to get the keld burned and let my sab get low. It sucks to say that part of why i'm so frustrated is that my heart "knew" shoka would stay in with zam before switching and I didn't act on the prediction. Then on slowbro vs rachi i wanted to switch out to sab really bad but decided not to, and that bit me hard as well. I did crit his lando with talon to grab a kill, stopping him from getting rocks and possibly keeping a sack, but my sab being around half because i had to burn the keld (it was necessary to punish it throughout the game) was much more pivotal considering how pretty much his only sab answers were bandtar which can't reliably take me on if i'm healthy, and keldeo, which would have been nearly dead if it was burned in the early game. I literally switch to ferro and get up my own rocks right afterwards which he defogs soon after anyways. This series of plays may have been different if he got up rocks, but did i mention i'm really upset the keld wasn't already burned and low??? Not to mention he was roost defog hp fire lati, which really threw me off and kinda made me lose an opportunity to heal up with sab, but ok. Now on the turn i wisped the already burned zam with talon, i still stand by my play. It was expecting his tyranitar, which honestly makes a lot of sense to me because trading zam for talon is splendid for me and having zam in also gives sab the opportunity to recover. In retrospect, sball makes sense since it grabs the 2hko on sab without ohkoing talon, so he was able to switch out the next turn, but taking an acrobatics is not something shoka would want at all so i'm not really sure on his play. I think him sacking keld next turn wasn't optimal (i would have sacked lati if i were him) but i'll take it i guess (this doesn't relate to any rng or predictions shit).
Now because of that little wisp miss my sab is low, putting me in a situation where I can't guarantee a win (and there are a ton of possibilities now). shoka plays well here by winning the 50/50 and going zam as i bring out lati. Now i purposefully defogged with lati here after the turn he subbed (I couldn't afford to get draco drop so i needed to either put him in range of shock in a posistion where lati could live lo, or win with sab) because i wanted to kill myself to give sab room to recover, but shoka rolls a max roll on the lati, which is horrendously bad for me. His chance of 2HKOing me after a roost with 2 shadow balls (not factoring the crit chance or sdef drop chance) is around 20% (252 SpA Mega Alakazam Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Latios: 202-238 (44.7 - 52.7%) -- 22.7% chance to 2HKO) (I modified lati's HP Stat to be 451), which means that if i roosted rather than defogging he would still be in a position where he could sball and not kill me most of the time, which is what he'd want (If i could get off 2 recovers with my sab on the zam from my current health after lati dies, it'd be a pretty winnable situation.) However, since he got the high roll, it meant that if i roosted with my latios i'd be in range of another shadow ball so shoka would be forced to sub, meaning i could roost up to full health, which would make the difference between a w and a loss (i missed draco on ttar, but if i was at full health in the same situation and hit i would have won the game). If the 80% chance went my way, I would be in a position with latios to tank another shadow ball and roost it off, and zam will die to one turn of burn. This technically creates a 50/50 position where switching to sab as he stays in wins the game bar a draco miss, whereas if shoka doubles on sab he would win, etc. etc. In other scenarios the game would have come down to a 50/50 as well, except for the scenario where i roosted on his high roll shadow ball (honestly he might even be modest zam looking at the damage output but i can't be sure). Basically the game went from a nearly guaranteed win to the odds not being so great for me. In the end I lost. I guess I can win the next one, right?
G3: So things are pretty even when shoka lands a psychic crit on my ferrothorn. May not seem like much, but ferro would have tanked a focus blast after a regular psychic, leaving me risk free to just gyro. Now I go for the protect, and lo and behold, shoka goes for the calm mind. That was pretty much the only hax in this game, but it pretty much forces me to lose pretty much 3 mons just to take down that zam (one of them living but being too low to do anything). Game is still winnable, but it means I have to win some tossup plays, and here's where I get mad at myself for not trusting my gut. I first irrationally feared shoka going for rocks as i try to save sab by switching to slowbro, and saving sab could have potentially won the game. Then I didn't switch to latios on the sd which i was quite sure in my heart would be coming, so in retrospect i'm kicking myself here, even though i'm still making the best plays. Now I go into latios on the chomp, and shoka really shouldn't stay in, but i wasn't sure if latios could beat the heatran if it started from <40% health and quite possibly -2, so i decided to go for the roost when sacking rotom was easily shoka's objectively best play in the situation. Moments after i click it, i get a feeling of dread that i shouldn't do this. I come close to clicking cancel, and then tell myself that I should stick through with my decisions. Lo and behold, shoka decides its a great idea to predict this very roost and dclaws me for the game.
e: the language and tone of this may not be the best but i'm hoping you can gain more from this than "he's upset he got haxed" because that wasn't even something i was really upset about at the time of writing this.
G1: The end game scald burn + miss didn't matter at all, and if anything, I wasn't exactly happy with it either since I wanted to set up lando on ttar to guarantee the win (crits + misses might have resulted in clef somehow winning, but this seems really unlikely regardless). The game was pretty much won for me regardless because of plays and team matchup to an extent.
G2: First i don't trust my instincts and predict keld lead, yay for me. So I miss a wisp early on. Splendid. I mean it has to miss eventually but that was quite an annoying one. Now later on in the game I have to double wisp to get the keld burned and let my sab get low. It sucks to say that part of why i'm so frustrated is that my heart "knew" shoka would stay in with zam before switching and I didn't act on the prediction. Then on slowbro vs rachi i wanted to switch out to sab really bad but decided not to, and that bit me hard as well. I did crit his lando with talon to grab a kill, stopping him from getting rocks and possibly keeping a sack, but my sab being around half because i had to burn the keld (it was necessary to punish it throughout the game) was much more pivotal considering how pretty much his only sab answers were bandtar which can't reliably take me on if i'm healthy, and keldeo, which would have been nearly dead if it was burned in the early game. I literally switch to ferro and get up my own rocks right afterwards which he defogs soon after anyways. This series of plays may have been different if he got up rocks, but did i mention i'm really upset the keld wasn't already burned and low??? Not to mention he was roost defog hp fire lati, which really threw me off and kinda made me lose an opportunity to heal up with sab, but ok. Now on the turn i wisped the already burned zam with talon, i still stand by my play. It was expecting his tyranitar, which honestly makes a lot of sense to me because trading zam for talon is splendid for me and having zam in also gives sab the opportunity to recover. In retrospect, sball makes sense since it grabs the 2hko on sab without ohkoing talon, so he was able to switch out the next turn, but taking an acrobatics is not something shoka would want at all so i'm not really sure on his play. I think him sacking keld next turn wasn't optimal (i would have sacked lati if i were him) but i'll take it i guess (this doesn't relate to any rng or predictions shit).
Now because of that little wisp miss my sab is low, putting me in a situation where I can't guarantee a win (and there are a ton of possibilities now). shoka plays well here by winning the 50/50 and going zam as i bring out lati. Now i purposefully defogged with lati here after the turn he subbed (I couldn't afford to get draco drop so i needed to either put him in range of shock in a posistion where lati could live lo, or win with sab) because i wanted to kill myself to give sab room to recover, but shoka rolls a max roll on the lati, which is horrendously bad for me. His chance of 2HKOing me after a roost with 2 shadow balls (not factoring the crit chance or sdef drop chance) is around 20% (252 SpA Mega Alakazam Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Latios: 202-238 (44.7 - 52.7%) -- 22.7% chance to 2HKO) (I modified lati's HP Stat to be 451), which means that if i roosted rather than defogging he would still be in a position where he could sball and not kill me most of the time, which is what he'd want (If i could get off 2 recovers with my sab on the zam from my current health after lati dies, it'd be a pretty winnable situation.) However, since he got the high roll, it meant that if i roosted with my latios i'd be in range of another shadow ball so shoka would be forced to sub, meaning i could roost up to full health, which would make the difference between a w and a loss (i missed draco on ttar, but if i was at full health in the same situation and hit i would have won the game). If the 80% chance went my way, I would be in a position with latios to tank another shadow ball and roost it off, and zam will die to one turn of burn. This technically creates a 50/50 position where switching to sab as he stays in wins the game bar a draco miss, whereas if shoka doubles on sab he would win, etc. etc. In other scenarios the game would have come down to a 50/50 as well, except for the scenario where i roosted on his high roll shadow ball (honestly he might even be modest zam looking at the damage output but i can't be sure). Basically the game went from a nearly guaranteed win to the odds not being so great for me. In the end I lost. I guess I can win the next one, right?
G3: So things are pretty even when shoka lands a psychic crit on my ferrothorn. May not seem like much, but ferro would have tanked a focus blast after a regular psychic, leaving me risk free to just gyro. Now I go for the protect, and lo and behold, shoka goes for the calm mind. That was pretty much the only hax in this game, but it pretty much forces me to lose pretty much 3 mons just to take down that zam (one of them living but being too low to do anything). Game is still winnable, but it means I have to win some tossup plays, and here's where I get mad at myself for not trusting my gut. I first irrationally feared shoka going for rocks as i try to save sab by switching to slowbro, and saving sab could have potentially won the game. Then I didn't switch to latios on the sd which i was quite sure in my heart would be coming, so in retrospect i'm kicking myself here, even though i'm still making the best plays. Now I go into latios on the chomp, and shoka really shouldn't stay in, but i wasn't sure if latios could beat the heatran if it started from <40% health and quite possibly -2, so i decided to go for the roost when sacking rotom was easily shoka's objectively best play in the situation. Moments after i click it, i get a feeling of dread that i shouldn't do this. I come close to clicking cancel, and then tell myself that I should stick through with my decisions. Lo and behold, shoka decides its a great idea to predict this very roost and dclaws me for the game.
e: in restrospect, this post was really unnecessary (even though it did help me feel a bit better) and its not hard to misunderstand it, but my intention wasn't to discredit shoka or bitch about hax, please don't interpret this post as that. I'd be really happy if you could gain a bit of insight from my overview of the games, however. :)
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