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ok i'm not sure i'll be a starter this year so here is a little reminder for all managers who could think i'll be really free the whole season and i'll be super active for support :
first i only want to play stab, the whole season if possible, ofc if i'm doing bad sub me out i'll understand and keep help stab.
I love aaa but prefer stab, i could help for theory in aaa and test, feel free me to slot me there too if needed.
I LOVE stab
exams in late june, really important for me i gotta lock in, so my activity will be low i think execpt if this is the best team ever and so i'll do efforts.
I LOVE STAB
draft me for stab i'll be good and go x-0.
FREE SOLGALEOS 67,
I LOVE STAB
have fun all
 
If you wanna play for us feel free to send me or smudge a smogon dm with any and all accomplishments you deem fit. We may not do tryouts for tiers other than PiC but we did in fact draft some of the people who did indeed talk to us last pl so please reach out. :)
 
Hey all! Ivar and I are looking to try and win another fun omtt, so if you're willing to tryhard and play for us, provide support, and just in general hang around and provide good vibes then feel free to message one of us on discord (sammyce & ivar57). Extra meriting things for us to know are: if you're realistically willing to put in a lot of time and effort (into your slot and others), if you'll be unable to play any given week due to irl commitments or other, if you require any particular support, if you think there's another person / group of people you'd work especially well with, what type of vibes you work best with, any anything else that you think would be good for us to know. We'll probably not do tryouts but if you really want to demonstrate your skills and knowledge then feel free to message us as well! Cheers to another fun season of OMPL.

Chessking Qxd8+, ball's in your court once again
 
i should say that im gonna ask for my signup post to be deleted before the actual draft, dont include me in your plans. i only signed up bc i was asked to so people could bid on me in moccs. i am a life haver with an almost-boyfriend

if i forget to delete my signup bc adhd or something and mods dont delete it before draft for me and managers bid 3k on me for shits and giggles, im down to be in the teamcord as an "oh shit we really need a sub" person but i cant promise activity beyond being a general hypeperson and disaster gay. im not the player i was 6-9 years ago
 
Hey all! Ivar and I are looking to try and win another fun omtt, so if you're willing to tryhard and play for us, provide support, and just in general hang around and provide good vibes then feel free to message one of us on discord (sammyce & ivar57). Extra meriting things for us to know are: if you're realistically willing to put in a lot of time and effort (into your slot and others), if you'll be unable to play any given week due to irl commitments or other, if you require any particular support, if you think there's another person / group of people you'd work especially well with, what type of vibes you work best with, any anything else that you think would be good for us to know. We'll probably not do tryouts but if you really want to demonstrate your skills and knowledge then feel free to message us as well! Cheers to another fun season of OMPL.

Chessking Qxd8+, ball's in your court once again
I like the tryhard mentality, but never forget, the Zards created you and you will always be a Zard deep inside
 
Will be unable to play w1 and w2.


Re: Manager selection

I am not much of a complainer but I have found the certain decisions related to this tour to be very disappointing, so here is my constructive input:

Leadership is predicated on trust from the playerbase. That trust is derived from convincing the playerbase (and the site as a whole) that decisions are made fairly and thoughtfully. However, these manager selections (and related rules) are highly questionable in these regards. I don't intend to put anyone down so apologies if it comes off as such, but I will be making comparisons between selected and non-selected manager pairs.

- Firstly, I guarantee you nobody (sane) has any problems with damflame/maybca as users. Moreover, damflame is clearly very competent at pretty much all of the tiers featured, and maybca can double up on AAA knowledge – I would say this pair would be above average in their metagame knowledge and ability to provide test games to their players. Therefore, player competence doesn't make sense as reasoning. While I am not super tapped into the greater OM community, the Leaves not being selected strikes me as quite surprising.
- Second, will try to be unbiased as possible – Icemaster and Fc's OM achievements are even more impressive and, especially given their managing experiences elsewhere, their rejection appears extremely confusing at best. There is no rationale related to playing or managing ability that realistically justifies this decision: Ice won BH open and made it to circuit semis last year as someone who only observes the core OM metagames in passing, while Fc obviously succeeded in GG without any prior metagame knowledge last OMPL while building his own teams. While gaming prowess isn't everything in a social, team tour environment, there also isn't anything to the weighing against them hard enough to make non-playoffs OMPL/CL teams an obvious choice should it have come to that. Occasional OMcord trolling is not a sufficient explanation, even if it's for sure a negative.
- Lastly (and perhaps most importantly), the purposeful vagueness in the manager signup process is very concerning. To my knowledge the OM community is unique on the site in OMPL's manager signup deadline is "whenever there are 8 suitable teams", which introduces significant ambiguity for no benefit. This does nothing to improve the quality of signups, because there is incentive for less qualified candidates in addition to the more qualified ones to sign up early, and pairs that want some time to think about managing are directly harmed. Why lock the latter group out? Moreover, the most plausible explanation for Icemaster/Fc's rejection is Ice being barred as a manager – however, Fc was clearly not informed before the deadline. Why?
- While pannu's admission that they may cancer is definitely sanctionable, immediately resorting to punishment without exploring the possibility of pannu having forgotten the rules also supports a narrative of minimal effort for transparency.

Of course, I give the benefit of the doubt to the OM leadership and will consider these cases as simply major fuckups. However, I would like to see outside signs of greater thoughtfulness in the implementation of rules, through indication of thoughtful discussions before pulling any triggers, greater transparency for relevant parties, and amending rules for which enforcement is especially ambiguous, even if any unfairness is unintentional.


Let's have a good tour everyone
 
- While pannu's admission that they may cancer is definitely sanctionable, immediately resorting to punishment without exploring the possibility of pannu having forgotten the rules also supports a narrative of minimal effort for transparency.
word and for full transparency with managers (as i am working on getting reinstated)

i would be fine with being on any team, i would play for any price and will obviously abide by the rules of the tournament i signed up for. There are just frankly some people in the OM community i perceive as constantly disrespecting, belittling and making fun of me, and i would not want to spend 2 months in a discord server were i am expecting (and wanting to be) active with someone who i feel uncomfortable sharing a space with-- wanting to be treated like a human being shouldnt bar me from entering the tour.

Yes i did use some insane hyperbole in my post, but i did not intend for it to come of as such-- i think of myself as decently close with atleast one person on each of the managing teams and hoped they would know i wouldnt cancer "for them".

also deleting my entire post, including the part where i call you out for questionable hosting descisions and manager selection when you couldve just edited out the "pricefixing" is incredibly scummy lol
 
Hey all! QT and I are looking to try and win a fun omtt, so if you're willing to tryhard and play for us, provide support, and just in general hang around and provide good vibes then feel free to message me (preferably discord: chessking, but smogon works too). Extra meriting things for us to know are: if you're realistically willing to put in a lot of time and effort (into your slot and others), if you'll be unable to play any given week due to irl commitments or other, if you require any particular support, if you think there's another person / group of people you'd work especially well with, what type of vibes you work best with, any anything else that you think would be good for us to know. We'll probably not do tryouts in general but we might reach out. Cheers to another fun season of OMPL.

(TLDR we are not doing open cord, dm me applications)

SammyCe123 much appreciated, Kxd8 easy draw line
 
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I appreciate the sentiment in this thread and also the stuff people have dm'd me about this tour. I also wanna say thank you to dhelmise for actually messaging me about the manager situation, even if it was after they were selected, since no hosts did so. It's just quite disappointing to have literally 0 contact about this through the duration of signups, get rejected due to a theoretical worry about bad behaviour, despite there being no issues in any of our previous SSSSS runs, and then told about it immediately after managers are selected. At the very least if icemaster wasn't allowed to manage with me then I would have selected another manager, but I wasn't even given the time to do that. Collectively me and ice have the same amount of ompl trophies as every other manager combined, and in our only 2 runs we won and made finals (he wasn't officially a manager but literally everyone knows he was doing things on the same level as me and guard/stresh when we managed). Given that I fail to see why personal issues that may not even be relevant for the tour overrule results + environments that are historically entirely positive, since we have the results and the managing history but were denied due to said personal issues. I would like to see this decision at least considered for revisitation, managers have changed post signups in other tours before and it hasn't been that long. Ultimately someone will come out of this unhappy no matter what happens, but I think it's right to at least discuss and give us a chance given how everyone I've seen disagrees with the decision. I was given 0 heads up that there were any issues with us as a pair as people rather than being picked by our results or team environments, since those have always been up to standards, so at least a discussion internally seems fair. If we don't get a team I'm not sure if I'll play this year but we'll see, just wanted to speak since others are in this thread on my behalf as well.

Free pannu free binpin free ss67ss.
 
The nightshades are looking to have another successful run, so come join the server if you wanna be part of a winning team! Player or not, any support would be appreciated. If you're active, motivated, and skilled then you'll have a good home with us. If you just wanna support or hang out, great! We're not doing tryouts but feel free to post accomplishments, replays, or teams, it'll help us consider you more!

https://discord.gg/bbSyJzzFZr
 
I appreciate the sentiment in this thread and also the stuff people have dm'd me about this tour. I also wanna say thank you to dhelmise for actually messaging me about the manager situation, even if it was after they were selected, since no hosts did so. It's just quite disappointing to have literally 0 contact about this through the duration of signups, get rejected due to a theoretical worry about bad behaviour, despite there being no issues in any of our previous SSSSS runs, and then told about it immediately after managers are selected. At the very least if icemaster wasn't allowed to manage with me then I would have selected another manager, but I wasn't even given the time to do that. Collectively me and ice have the same amount of ompl trophies as every other manager combined, and in our only 2 runs we won and made finals (he wasn't officially a manager but literally everyone knows he was doing things on the same level as me and guard/stresh when we managed). Given that I fail to see why personal issues that may not even be relevant for the tour overrule results + environments that are historically entirely positive, since we have the results and the managing history but were denied due to said personal issues. I would like to see this decision at least considered for revisitation, managers have changed post signups in other tours before and it hasn't been that long. Ultimately someone will come out of this unhappy no matter what happens, but I think it's right to at least discuss and give us a chance given how everyone I've seen disagrees with the decision. I was given 0 heads up that there were any issues with us as a pair as people rather than being picked by our results or team environments, since those have always been up to standards, so at least a discussion internally seems fair. If we don't get a team I'm not sure if I'll play this year but we'll see, just wanted to speak since others are in this thread on my behalf as well.

Free pannu free binpin free ss67ss.
I don't usually chime in on these kinds of matters but it is kind of disappointing to me to see history repeat itself. Two years ago when RoFnA and I signed up to manage OMPL we were also snubbed despite being considered by many to be a lock. When I dm'd hosts there wasn't even need for a full dialogue, after my initial message they agreed it was a mistake and we were granted a team. We were lucky enough that another team agreed to forfeit their spot as they also backed our cause, I'm not sure if such would be the case again but I do believe it is at least worth discussing. My first OMPL was on the solgaleos and it was a top 3 team tour experience I've had on this site, Fc and Ice create the best team environments and their drafts are always successful. I don't mean to throw any shade at hosts and I'm not implying it was a thoughtless decision, but continued issues with the manager selection process should really be addressed because I cannot understand how this keeps happening.

P.S. Yeah I know we ended up getting dead last in that tour after we got our team LOL was mostly due to getting swamped with irl shit cause fsr I thought it was a good idea to manage 3 tours in the last semester of my Master's program. I only bring up this shameful result as I don't want it to detract from the prospect of Fc and Ice possibly getting added just like we were, I highly doubt they will flop.
 
I am uninvolved with OMPL pretty much entirely, but it is reasons like this that I don't play in tournaments (in addition to being on my 4th chemo & hating scheduling). I only occasionally host a tour like I did during the last OM World Cup.

A decision had to be made, teams were inevitably gonna be snubbed. Icemaster and Fc are no doubt good players and managers but a choice had to be made by the hosts / OM authorities that were involved. I get that it is frustrating but please don't grief them for their choice and try to move on as they just want the best environment for all teams involved.
 
From the VERY limited knowledge I have of this current situation, I think in future it's best to have at least a 48- to 72-hour grace period (internally or not) to actually figure out if 1) these manager pairings are suitable, 2) if there are potential clashes that have seriously respectable chances of causing issues [re. pannu and a manager group having serious issues with each other], and 3) if they still actually want to manage if problems arise with a specific manager. The last point is specifically targeted at the current issue at hand, since I know from previous internal OM team tour discussions that there were concerns regarding manager signups for OMWC (not listing who or what year).

The other thing is the "signups close when we have 8 suitable managers" thing which doesn't contribute to quality of signups but rather pushes for quick, oftentimes sloppy, manager signups and doesn't get much done long-term. Yesterday OMPL signups went up when there could've instead been 2 or 3 days to actually go over the projected manager picks, see who amongst them may cause issues, and actually go out and rectify said issues. Preferably this grace period would be public, but I can understand if initially it wasn't (say first 24 hours) or even at all as long as there is some major discussion done, and not without contacting "problematic" managers.

For the record, I'm not saying that any of this is easy or without its own potential issues, but there could have been better choices made before signups and commencement thread went up.
 
I'm quite surprised because when I manage we almost always do well and I go out of my way to make the team fun. Ask any OMPL, AG, Ubers or TPP teammate/helper. If it's about being banned from OM discord that was three years ago.

So to find out I'm manager banned from a section I've not even managed on paper is just baffling. For Fc to find out after it's too late to change is just stupid.
 
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