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joey said:
Fwiw I did give a bit at eod1 but I ack that that was mostly surface level and I did not have a lot of time to spend on it

1: a fairy - A lot of emotion in her posts which I feel like is a very new thing for early game fairy? But even given that I don't think she gave any reads the entire time despite wanting stuff to happen. It seems pretty clear that she very much wanted to change the day 1 vote but didn't suggest who to change it to and didn't have people online who would change it. Which on one hand reflects well in retrospect because pulsar flipped Town Doctor but on the other hand I don't really understand why she would have a strong opinion here without having an alternate target given that pulsar was very much a null slot.

2: ItsScaryCary - nothing

3: Tommy - His analysis of werewolf gameplay at the beginning is very town-coded. If he is coming from a mafia perspective he is basically just making the game harder for himself and it wasn't like he would trigger any red flags by not saying that. So I'll find it very hard to believe that he's mafia until we get mech stuff or really tinfoily. The rest of his content has been fine. There of course is the potential that he is the wolf but I don't think it's worthwhile to read for that yet so for now I'm trusting him.

4: genisu - Read this with the acknowledgement that there is a bit of OMGUS in here. When I suggested a massclaim (this was just me baiting responses btw I don't want an actual massclaim) he was suprisingly open to massclaim which raised some red flags for me. I feel like he was pretty aggressive and presumptuous in reacting both to DBD and to me and it feels like his reads aren't based off any real substance to me. He is mad about the pulsar vote but also directly contributed to it happening himself. I get he couldn't be on at deadline and I'm not saying pulsar is innocent in that but he still parked his vote there which eventually led to the scenario where there was nothing that could change the vote.

6: AirC - basically nothing

7: Evie - I didn't catch this first time I was reading through but I am really interested to know why she is okay with massclaiming but not with hypoclaiming? (#166). I also think calling for town pretty lady not to be used is kinda weird? I feel like the general rule is that using your role is always going to benefit town more even if you do end up blocking a town PR, because it gives credence to your claim later on. There's a scenario where this is a Werewolf POV because she wants to use the 1-shot werewolf block later on to claim town pretty lady who idled at the beginning. And even outside of that scenario there's also the mafia angle where the kill being blocked is one of the worst things that could happen to them.

8: Celever - I don't really see anything notable, he has only posted mechanical stuff so far and is being standard Celever, none of it raises red or green flags for me.

9: phoopes - Essentially nothing. I would like to point out that #301 strongly implies that mafia performed the kill and ignores the possibility that it could've been werewolf which raises red flags to me as a potential perspective slip.

10: liquidrelief - Zeroing in on Tommy gives not-coached but I also think that given the activity level of this game the activity level in mafia chat could be similar. I think going after Tommy for his vote is misguided but not malicious. I'd mostly call them a null slot since that's their only content so far.

11: Dead by Daylight - As I said before I like his suggestion of hypoclaiming. I'm curious to hear from people more experienced than I am on how good hypoclaiming is for town vs how much info it gives to a mafia perspective because that would shape how much weight can go into that read. I think his approach to day 1 with casting some votes to try and apply some pressure is fine and I think his reactions to genisu and a fairy pushing on him is fine so overall I think he is fine at the moment.

14: apricity - I feel like your approach to today is good enough. The voting off inactives thing is tough to judge because one on hand, we do need to get rid of the inactives, on the other hand, doing votes that no one particularly cares about is easily manipulable by mafia. I would like to have some more rhyme or reason to it than just "we need to get out the inactives" but it's obviously very hard to narrow anything down when they are, in fact, inactive. I see you townread Celever and fairy but I would like to hear more on those reads since all you've said on them so far is that those are your reads. I'm also curious if you have a scumread on anyone who's active even if your priority is still voting off inactives. I'll have a better read on you if you can give some more content to your own reads.

15: Ehmcee - nothing
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joey said:
##Vote: Ehmcee
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joey said:
my consolidated reads list for anyone except hal to look at:

town
Tommy
Dead by Daylight

apricity
Celever
liquidrelief
AirC
ItsScaryCary
Ehmcee

phoopes
genisu
a fairy
Evie
scum

town
Evie
a fairy
genisu
phoopes

Ehmcee
ItsScaryCary
AirC
liquidrelief
Celever
apricity

Dead by Daylight
Tommy
scum
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Three posts that I'm struggling to make sense of in conjunction.
 
a fairy slight townlean
AirC null
apricity scumlean
Celever scumlean
Dead By Daylight scumlean
Ehmcee null
Evie null
genisu town
ItsScaryCary null
joey i didnt like his d1, but im liking his d2 posting
liquidrelief townlean
phoopes null
ShyPebble null
i dont mind voting into the null slots, but it does clear our cover and makes it easier for mafia and wolf to shoot into the towncore. At this point maybe we shouldnt be voting off of who we want at LYLO
 
sure, nulls are all null for not enough posts for me to give definitive reads.
a fairy slight townlean, seems like genuine frustration, has been trying to solve the game
AirC null
apricity scumlean i really dont like this idea that we clear all afks, and i dont like the way DBD jumped on this wagon
Celever scumlean dont like how his posting has been so far, havent seen much of substance from him which I would expect
Dead By Daylight scumlean ^
Ehmcee null
Evie null
genisu town Im literate
ItsScaryCary null
joey i didnt like his d1, but im liking his d2 posting
liquidrelief townlean seems like just a genuine newbie town, uncoached just chillin
phoopes null
ShyPebble null
Dead by Daylight said:
can you give any form of reasoning for your treads
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genisu said:
sure, nulls are all null for not enough posts for me to give definitive reads.
a fairy slight townlean, seems like genuine frustration, has been trying to solve the game
AirC null
apricity scumlean i really dont like this idea that we clear all afks, and i dont like the way DBD jumped on this wagon
Celever scumlean dont like how his posting has been so far, havent seen much of substance from him which I would expect
Dead By Daylight scumlean ^
Ehmcee null
Evie null
genisu town Im literate
ItsScaryCary null
joey i didnt like his d1, but im liking his d2 posting
liquidrelief townlean seems like just a genuine newbie town, uncoached just chillin
phoopes null
ShyPebble null
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what does null mean?
 
NightEmerald said:
Werewolf Roles

Bulletproof Werewolf JOAT

Dear _. You are a Bulletproof Werewolf JOAT.

You are bulletproof. You cannot be killed at night.
You have a factional kill. Each night, you may attempt to kill another player.
Additionally, each night, you may choose to use one of the following actions:
  • Once per game, you may block a player at night. Their actions will fail.
  • Once per game, you may choose to become strong. For that night, your kill cannot fail.
You may use the kill in conjunction with one ability from your JOAT

You win when you reach parity with the town, and all other threats are eliminated.
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