Eh... mostly. Most the old Megas still have enough going for them that isn't outclassed at all by the new, but one thing I can see dropping is Medicham for Gallade, and a lot of lower-ranked Megas like Blastoise, Aggron and Absol (despite getting play rough + knock off now) will definitely go down in viability since there's even more great Megas to compete with for Mega spots now.
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Other ORAS Mega Speculation Thread (NO talk about potential bans NOR Aegislash)
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This. I think. I refuse to believe that her massive bulk is pointless and, like you said, after a CM boost she hits harder than the LO variant (much harder might I add). She could be a powerful setup sweeper if you pick the right moment in a match. I bet latios could even get freaky with some DD sets or even have the bulk to utilize calm mind now.
I only used Slowbro to illustrate how powerful Strong Jaw Crunch is. And I never said M-Sharpedo was the best revenge killer in the game, just that it can fit role (which Gyarados can't).
Anyway, I think we should wait and see how the metagame develops before calling anything "outclassed" or worse than the base form. A lot of that went around in the early days of X/Y, and most of it turned out to be untrue.
What is going to be better on Salamence before Mega Evolving, Intimidate or Moxie? Of course both have their uses but I'd imagine Intimidate would be useful more often since it always helps against physical foes while a Moxie Mence running a DD set with a Normal move, EQ and Fire Blast has to be able to kill something without STAB.
I must admit, all the people going on about Mega Beedrill does remind me of when Mega Absol was being hyped.
They're kind of in the same situation, except while Mega Beedril obviously has a vastly superior speed, Mega Absol still has enough speed to outpace most the relevant unboosted tier while having better coverage, better STAB, higher-power base moves and a secondary offensive stat with which to destroy physical walls with, not to mention utility in Knock Off and Magic Bounce. I realize Mega Beedrill has Adaptability, but... c'mon, that's only really good for u-turning and destroying fairies. They share the same flaws, too - frail, same speed tier on turn of Mega Evolution. In fact, Absol's BULKIER than Beedrill and it's bulk is seen as a flaw while Beedrill's is seen as "oh it's not that bad you can run a few defence evs to avoid aqua jet KOs". I personally can't see how something like Mega Absol, who has a ridiculously good STAB, Utility, a usable secondary offensive stat, the same Attack stat and fantastic coverage can be considered pretty bad in the OU metagame but Mega Beedrill can be hyped up so much just because it has adaptability U-turn and can I guess kill fairies.
They're kind of in the same situation, except while Mega Beedril obviously has a vastly superior speed, Mega Absol still has enough speed to outpace most the relevant unboosted tier while having better coverage, better STAB, higher-power base moves and a secondary offensive stat with which to destroy physical walls with, not to mention utility in Knock Off and Magic Bounce. I realize Mega Beedrill has Adaptability, but... c'mon, that's only really good for u-turning and destroying fairies. They share the same flaws, too - frail, same speed tier on turn of Mega Evolution. In fact, Absol's BULKIER than Beedrill and it's bulk is seen as a flaw while Beedrill's is seen as "oh it's not that bad you can run a few defence evs to avoid aqua jet KOs". I personally can't see how something like Mega Absol, who has a ridiculously good STAB, Utility, a usable secondary offensive stat, the same Attack stat and fantastic coverage can be considered pretty bad in the OU metagame but Mega Beedrill can be hyped up so much just because it has adaptability U-turn and can I guess kill fairies.
While Moxie is great and all, it's not gonna be super easy getting the boost pre-megaevo, and honestly Mega Salamence does not need a Moxie boost to wreck face. The Intimidate drop can force so many switches upon which you can just DD (or you can just DD in their faces with some defensive investment and the -1 attack drop) that it's the better ability 9/10 times I'd say.
Intimidate big time. Salamence needs to MEvo to do anything worthwhile, so Moxie is a no-no. Intimidate can also let you Mega Evolve against Pokemon that would otherwise deal heavy damage with their physical moves, and force them out.
Probably because it's Beedrill who has always been completely useless, compared to Absol who was at least UU for a little while. Beedrill is overrated but it's still "okay". Absol gets shit on by pretty much all Fairies which at the time of M Absol's hype weren't really used much yet while M Beedrill can at least enjoy a fast U-turn.
"Dear Beedrill. We have given you a mega evolution. Sorry we gave every other useless bug Quiver Dance or Sticky Web. Hope this makes up for it. Please come to the Christmas party. - Gamefreak."
I was referring to the Sand Force boost - my apologies.
My point being that Mega Steelix has more attacking power via Earthquake, Stone Edge > Rock Slide, and Gyro Ball, along with the additional bulk. It's not even a contest.
So did some calcs and turns out Mega Swampert should almost always go for Adamant as a Swift Swimmer; 252 Speed EVs with a neutral nature reaches a Speed Stat of 478, enough to outspeed the entire unboosted tier - hell, entire unboosted anything. Just for lels I tried Jolly Ninjask and that only reaches a Speed Stat of 460.
The only reason you'd really want to run Jolly - 252+ reaches 524 Speed - is to outpace Scarfers like Jolly Terrakion and Naive Garchomp, but... what could they really do to you?
The only reason you'd really want to run Jolly - 252+ reaches 524 Speed - is to outpace Scarfers like Jolly Terrakion and Naive Garchomp, but... what could they really do to you?
Keep in mind Adaptability+145 Base Attack is really strong, and Mega Beedrill's post-Mega speed tier is very very very good. That alone probably makes him more viable than Mega Absol who has power and speed, but not enough power to OHKO/2HKO a lot of relevant stuff with what it usually runs (Sucker Punch, Knock Off, Superpower/Fire Blast/Ice Beam/etc., SD (sometimes)) and not enough speed to outrun things like Greninja and Alakazam, which is super important because Greninja and all can't beat an already-mega'd Beedrill 1v1 because they are outsped but they can beat Absol.
I'm reposting this set just so I can get some feedback back on it. Mega Venusaur and Assault Vest Amoongus give this set issues so a birdspam partner works well. I've tested it several times and it seems pretty effective. Return packs a punch and Double Edge is disgusting. I might work on a Dragon Dance set with Double Edge, Earthquake, and Roost. Right now I'm obsessed with this thing lol.
I saw mentions of Soft-Boiled Audino in older posts. How does Audino get Soft-Boiled assuming it wasnt a mistake?
Mega Sceptile's base 145 right? Assuming max speed investment from that, will Mega Swampert still outspeed in the rain (cuz if you outspeed you can just run Ice Punch and clobber it).
Considering it can outpace Jolly 252 Deoxys-Speed and Ninjask... yeah.
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Just wondering if anyone's thought up of using Mega Swampert as a defensive Mega, even outside of rain. Thoughts on viability of that? Fantastic bulk (better than Mandibuzz, jeez) and great defensive typing (especially physically), but no recovery is a killer.
I'd say that it could definitely be a great tank, especially with wish support - just swift swim sweeper will probs be it's best set.
There was not very much feedback on Mega Lopunny, at least from what I saw. Has anyone tested it? How is it in the current meta, and what's it's "best" set?
Thats becase beedrill is eight times harder to kill when you play smart. being a pivot poke makes ot survivability much greater than absol who also makes no use of its abillity as well.
Mega Salmence looks promising, looking into a double dragon offensive core on my rain team with either Kyurem-B or LO Lati@s. Which would fare better?
I'd say AV Kyu-B because greninja will pose an issue if mence isn't boosted and kyurem can take an ice beam.
Been playing around with this set:
Altaria @ Altarite
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 56 Spe
Impish Nature
- Return / Body Slam
- Dragon Dance
- Heal Bell
- Roost
Mostly inspired by the Wisp DD XZard and Refresh MMence sets. This one, much like Wisp DD Zard, works primarily as defensive glue for Stall teams, however, it also functions as a win condition for late game if necessary. It's actually really effective since it finds many opportunities to set up, and even with no attack investment it hits hard as hell even without any boosts. It's also surprisingly fast at +1, outspeeding Adamant base 100s, and at +2 it even outpaces the likes of Mega-Manectric. You can make it faster to do stuff like outspeed Garchomp at +1 I guess, but as I said, its main role is taking hits and walling threats, and that's what the spread empasizies. The ability to sweep with DD is just a detail really, but a really neat one nevertheless. Heal Bell is really key on this set since dot only does it provide great support to your teammates, but it also enables you to heal off Toxic, Paralysis or Burn for yourself letting you set up on defensive Pokemon such as Slowbro or Suicune. The lack of Heal Bell PP can a bit of a problem though, but I haven't run into a situation where I actually ran out. I highly recommend this set if you're using MAltaria on a stall or balanced team and would like to have a win condition as well.
Altaria @ Altarite
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 56 Spe
Impish Nature
- Return / Body Slam
- Dragon Dance
- Heal Bell
- Roost
Mostly inspired by the Wisp DD XZard and Refresh MMence sets. This one, much like Wisp DD Zard, works primarily as defensive glue for Stall teams, however, it also functions as a win condition for late game if necessary. It's actually really effective since it finds many opportunities to set up, and even with no attack investment it hits hard as hell even without any boosts. It's also surprisingly fast at +1, outspeeding Adamant base 100s, and at +2 it even outpaces the likes of Mega-Manectric. You can make it faster to do stuff like outspeed Garchomp at +1 I guess, but as I said, its main role is taking hits and walling threats, and that's what the spread empasizies. The ability to sweep with DD is just a detail really, but a really neat one nevertheless. Heal Bell is really key on this set since dot only does it provide great support to your teammates, but it also enables you to heal off Toxic, Paralysis or Burn for yourself letting you set up on defensive Pokemon such as Slowbro or Suicune. The lack of Heal Bell PP can a bit of a problem though, but I haven't run into a situation where I actually ran out. I highly recommend this set if you're using MAltaria on a stall or balanced team and would like to have a win condition as well.
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Lol SR says otherwise
Is a fully specially offensive Altaria vastly inferior to the physical/mixed and defensive sets?
I was thinking something like
Altaria @ Altarite
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Sp.A / 252 Speed (or max HP if you prefer a more tanky approach)
Modest Nature
- Hyper Voice
- Fire Blast
- Draco Meteor / Dragon Pulse / Heal Bell
- Roost
I was thinking something like
Altaria @ Altarite
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Sp.A / 252 Speed (or max HP if you prefer a more tanky approach)
Modest Nature
- Hyper Voice
- Fire Blast
- Draco Meteor / Dragon Pulse / Heal Bell
- Roost
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