Is EQ solely for Heatran? Otherwise is Ice Punch good enough?
Also, are the SpA EVs to ensure the 2HKO on Mega-Slowbro w/Grass Knot?
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Also, are the SpA EVs to ensure the 2HKO on Mega-Slowbro w/Grass Knot?
MMence+Zone+Dugtrio+Goth for maximum ingenious teambulding imo
also lol how do MMence and XZard have "roughly the same bulk", one has 78/111/85 and the other has 95/130/90...
And I also don't see how having priority is that much of an advantage over MMence when that thing has, you know, Dragon Dance lol. There is little to no reason to use MPinsir over MMence given that MMence is better vs defensive teams thanks to its superior coverage letting it get past the likes of Skarmory and Rhyperior much more easily, and it is incalculably better vs offense because 120 base Speed+DD, not to mention that it has signifiantly higher speed, reliably recovery, far higher bulk (so it can actually set up very easily which MPinsir often struggles to do), and even a way to remove status. And MPinsir has... Quick Attack, which pretty much exclusively hits things that Mmence can just kill outright due to its higher speed besides I guess Greninja (and besides Pinsir needs to be at +2 to even hurt most of these fast threats much). Swords Dance. And believe me, it is far easier and less costly for MMence to get 2 DDs off than for MPinsir to get a single SD off.
also lol how do MMence and XZard have "roughly the same bulk", one has 78/111/85 and the other has 95/130/90...
And I also don't see how having priority is that much of an advantage over MMence when that thing has, you know, Dragon Dance lol. There is little to no reason to use MPinsir over MMence given that MMence is better vs defensive teams thanks to its superior coverage letting it get past the likes of Skarmory and Rhyperior much more easily, and it is incalculably better vs offense because 120 base Speed+DD, not to mention that it has signifiantly higher speed, reliably recovery, far higher bulk (so it can actually set up very easily which MPinsir often struggles to do), and even a way to remove status. And MPinsir has... Quick Attack, which pretty much exclusively hits things that Mmence can just kill outright due to its higher speed besides I guess Greninja (and besides Pinsir needs to be at +2 to even hurt most of these fast threats much). Swords Dance. And believe me, it is far easier and less costly for MMence to get 2 DDs off than for MPinsir to get a single SD off.
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Honestly, right now it's a bit of a liability to run mence/set up sweepers in general considering that everybody and there mother is running thundy/klefki/sable. I've had more success with lop/drill/scep than I've had with mence. I've yet to try mixmence though, but I don't know if it's worth it. Kinda like a faster kyube I guess.
Especially liking sceptile+DDgyarados+Healing wish mon. They both force switches so often it's incredibly easy to get up a DD and pound a few mons a couple of different times with gyar, then haling wish and sweep the remainders.
Especially liking sceptile+DDgyarados+Healing wish mon. They both force switches so often it's incredibly easy to get up a DD and pound a few mons a couple of different times with gyar, then haling wish and sweep the remainders.
Didn't Iron Tail get an accuracy boost in ORAS? I remember reading that somewhere
It needs Focus Blast more than any tutor moves.
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the satk evs ensure a 2hko on skarm w/ hp fire
and EQ is for heatran. you see it more commonly on stall than you see lando-t
Slowbro is so good. The calm mind sets wrecks shop and I love it. I really like Mega Gallade too. He forces tons of switches to get setups and can easily deal with a lot of mons. I have sd ice punch cc and zen headbutt, but I think I need to replace Ice Punch with Shadow Sneak. I feel like it gives better coverage than Ice punch anyway.
Shadow Sneak is weak priority so even if it gives you 'coverage', your STABs will likely be dealing more damage regardless.
0 Atk Pixilate Altaria Return vs. 40 HP / 0 Def Mega Heracross: 276-326 (88.7 - 104.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
You probably forgot to add the fairy type on altaria
Tbh Shadow Sneak is so weak, it's literally useless against everything that isn't Alakazam, considering that you speed tie with Lati@s and Gengar(to show how weak it is, it can't even ensure a 2hko on Mega Sceptile after a Swords Dance). If you want the coverage that Sneak would give to you if it was actually powerful you can run Knock Off, which is powerful enough to break would be counters to Gallade(OHKOs regular Slowbro, Cresselia, Mew, Celebi and Victini, and 2HKOes Doublade, after Stealth Rocks), on top of the ever awesome utility of removing items.
I wouldn't say Shadow Sneak is completely useless. SD 2coverage +priority(sneak) is a more reliable late-game cleaner than SD 3 attacks. The only problem is that the former set is obviously overall worse than the latter, because obviously the lack of coverage will severely hurt the SD set's wallbreaking capabilities. Sneak also, as has been stated, is quite weak even after a SD, so you can really only aim for late-game cleaning since certain pokemon that you want to outspeed or out-prioritize with Sneak will have to be weakened to by an amount that will allow +2 Sneak to KO, belating your sweep. It doesn't seem useless, but it seems nice at best. So you want to use SS, you're definitely want to heavily revolve your team around wearing down Megallade's checks and counters.
I was more or less criticizing it's use as coverage. I'd say it's viable as all priority is.
Is Hidden Power Grass worth it on Mega Camerupt? Wouldn't HP Ice be better so that it doesn't get walled by Dragon/Flying types since it's slower than all of the Water/Ground types and will probably die to their Water STAB anyway.
Same question for Earthquake/mixed sets.
Same question for Earthquake/mixed sets.
Gotcha, yeah I agree there is no reason at all to use it as coverage. Nothing is immune to Knock off and it's 2.5 times more powerful. Sacrificing priority and a bit of potential at cleaning up late-game for significantly better wallbreaking capabilities and still being able to sweep quite well late-game is definitely a better deal if your goal is simply type coverage.
No one responded to this post of mine earlier.
I'm just curious if anyone agrees.
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Just theorymoning here but I wonder if phys def would be better. Lets it check M Salamence, Lati@s, and Charizard X better. Or perhaps some sort of mixed bulky spread.
The best reason to use special mence is probably for hydro pump to smack rhyperior, fire blast for the obvious, and hyper voice with aerialate is cool too. It works for sure.
Yep it has been working as a charm, also wirks on the odd airballon heatran...Wich i have encountered 4 times so far.
Anyone else noticing a rise on scarf latios?
AV Conkeldurr actually seems like a really, really good teammate for Mega Salamence. It beats almost all of Mence's checks: Rhyperior, P2, Mega Amphy, Mamoswine, and Weavile.
He kinda does, altough he really dislikrs brave bird spam and is deadweigth against megabro teams in my humble opinion.
Again am i the only one seeing this scarf lattios trend?
I guess it kinda picked up to revenge kill mega charizard x, because it can run jolly to outspeed scarf lando-t, but doesn't outspeed scarf Latios. You could say the same as a revenge killer for mega mence, but one of the most effective sets now is sub dd, so I guess that kinda works.
I encountered it twice when running MegaSceptile, 2 times with Mloppuny(It isnt that bad), 3 whooping times with Mbeedril(All where kills for the latios) and once with Special non DD mence today. This thing is really trending. Altough Max speed MMence with subDD renders it useless.
Been having great fun with a mixed mega sceptile, with leaf storm, swords dance, low kick and outrage. Lures and 2 hit KOs chansey, wrecks offensive mega venusaur after rocks, and has very good cleaning power late game. The major downside is if there's a fairy around outrage is a no go due to how frail sceptile is, but the power is necessary over claw.
I've been thinking a lot about running MixMence as a lure to draw out physical counters, on top of a sand core to facilitate an Excadrill sweep.
Something like Frustration/Earthquake/Draco Meteor/Fire Blast on MMence. Hit strong physical checks like Rhyperior or Hippo with Draco Meteor, take out steels with Fire Blast or EQ, and wear down everything else with a fast Aerialate Frustration.
Add on LO Excadrill, TTar for rocks and sand, maybe CBnite for Greninja and a second Talonflame/Pinsir check and as a secondary sweeper in case Excadrill can't cut it (although Nite on top of a sand core is blah). Fill in remaining two as you see fit.
Not sure how it would actually play (in particular, does MixMence hit hard enough to break down walls?), but I might toy around with it when I get back from work tonight.
EDIT: Re: Scarf Latios and MMence checks, I wonder if this will give a new niche to Noivern. It can even outspeeds +1 252+ MMence with a scarf, OHKOs even the bulkier variants with Draco Meteor, and Infiltrator means you don't need to worry about sub. Too bad it's so crap against everything else...
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I was thinking about playing around with a similar idea. What was your EV spread like? I was thinking max SAtk and Speed since Atk can be buffed with Swords Dance.
Every 'mon has its flaws. Unfortunately Conk is C+ rank as is shown in it's tendency to be deadweaight against certain team archetypes. Besides, covering weaknesses is for what teammates are, and also having a pokemon which beats many of the checks of the most broken 'mon in OU that makes any team better by its mere presence isn't so bad now, is it?
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