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Lower Tiers ORAS NU Role Compendium
- Thread starter Jisoo
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Waiting until its ranked on the VR, I'll add it then.
Clef isn't really a good Fighting Check, mainly because it will lose 1 on 1 against the best fighting type in the tier in Sawk:
252+ Atk Choice Band Mold Breaker Sawk Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Clefairy: 62-73 (18 - 21.2%) -- possible 5HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Mold Breaker Sawk Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefairy: 173-204 (50.2 - 59.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
and this is only talking about the max defense set, max special defense doesn't even need to be Knocked Off:
252+ Atk Choice Band Mold Breaker Sawk Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Clefairy: 186-220 (54 - 63.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 Busken doesn't actually outspeed Sceptile, and it dies to the combo of uninvested EQ + rocks, or an Acrobatics from the SD Set:
0 Atk Life Orb Sceptile Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Combusken: 247-291 (94.6 - 111.4%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Sceptile Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Combusken: 272-322 (104.2 - 123.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Phys def Clefairy doesn't lose to CB Sawk 1v1 because it can't switch moves like your calcs suggest xp
Am I the only one who runs Eviolite? Well the special set it may not beat, but it can take on the SD set fine, so I'm not sure if thats enough to add it or not.
252 Atk Sceptile Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Combusken: 182-216 (69.7 - 82.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Updated this with the recent drops, feel free to make any suggestions and such.
252 Atk Archeops Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 244+ Def Gastrodon: 175-207 (41 - 48.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
Um, why is Quagsire still on here if this is updated to include the drops?
(Also, I'd suggest getting rid of Sandslash as its no longer C+ or above)
bolts edit: fixed
(Also, I'd suggest getting rid of Sandslash as its no longer C+ or above)
bolts edit: fixed
Since this is the case, Cradily, Sandslash, and Vanilluxe shouldn't be included anymore.
Also why isn't Carracosta at least included in Shell Smash users, or defensive Stealth Rock users? That seems more fitting than including Costa in the Swift Swimmers section.
Fixed this.
Um, how exactly is Rotom-S, a mon that doesn't resist Water, is weak to both Ice and Rock, and even gets countered by some Water-types, considered a particularly notable Water check? Why wouldn't Rotom, Manectric, or Electivire be on this list then? Hell, why isn't Abomasnow in this list?Water-type checks:
Offensive:
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I nominate Regirock for defensive Stealth Rocker, Regirock is a great check to Tauros as it gets 3hkoed by Iron Tail and can T-wave Tauros. It also works as a good flying resist, I have started using it a lot more recently and it works great.
Edit: Also nominate Regirock for Normal check
Relevant Calcs:
252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Tauros Iron Tail vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Regirock: 151-179 (41.4 - 49.1%) -- 18.4% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Life Orb Tauros Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Regirock: 117-138 (32.1 - 37.9%) -- 93.2% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Guts Swellow Facade (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Regirock: 63-74 (17.3 - 20.3%) -- possible 6HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Choice Specs Swellow Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 196 SpD Regirock: 78-93 (21.4 - 25.5%) -- possible 5HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Toxic Boost Zangoose Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Regirock: 176-208 (48.3 - 57.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Zangoose Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Regirock: 118-140 (32.4 - 38.4%) -- 98.1% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery (If it gets paralyzed)
252 SpA Vivillon Energy Ball vs. 252 HP / 196 SpD Regirock: 128-152 (35.1 - 41.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
+1 252 SpA Vivillon Energy Ball vs. 252 HP / 196 SpD Regirock: 190-224 (52.1 - 61.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
Edit: Also nominate Regirock for Normal check
Relevant Calcs:
252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Tauros Iron Tail vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Regirock: 151-179 (41.4 - 49.1%) -- 18.4% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Life Orb Tauros Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Regirock: 117-138 (32.1 - 37.9%) -- 93.2% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Guts Swellow Facade (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Regirock: 63-74 (17.3 - 20.3%) -- possible 6HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Choice Specs Swellow Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 196 SpD Regirock: 78-93 (21.4 - 25.5%) -- possible 5HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Toxic Boost Zangoose Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Regirock: 176-208 (48.3 - 57.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Zangoose Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Regirock: 118-140 (32.4 - 38.4%) -- 98.1% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery (If it gets paralyzed)
252 SpA Vivillon Energy Ball vs. 252 HP / 196 SpD Regirock: 128-152 (35.1 - 41.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
+1 252 SpA Vivillon Energy Ball vs. 252 HP / 196 SpD Regirock: 190-224 (52.1 - 61.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
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For Archeops checks Carracosta should be added as well as Regirock
Archeops checks:
- I'd remove Rotom-S from defensive checks considering Stone Edge OHKO's it, and Acrobatics 2HKO's after SR damage.
- Sawsbuck to Offensive checks
- Abomasnow to Offensive checks
- Mantine to Defensive checks
- Misdreavus to Defensive checks
- Manectric to Voltswitch
- Sawsbuck to Swords Dance
- Raichu to Nasty Plot
- Grumpig to Calm Mind
Did all of this except for Abomasnow as a Water check since it loses to the good majority of them like Kabutops and Poliwrath, 2HKOed by Ludicolo's Ice Beam after some prior damage, etc.Archeops checks:
Water-type checks:
Fighting-type Checks:
Momentum:
Boosting Sweepers:
Got a couple from a few cursory glances over the VR
Code:
Dusknoir to Normal- and Fighting-type checks
Solrock to Normal-type checks
Machoke to Normal-type checks
idk how you wanna handle sheddy. that's a can of worms you can handle yourself, watchog.
Cacturne / Sheddy / Dusknoir / Pawn to priority
Cradily to rocks / water checks tooSimisage/Abomasnow/Hariyama(?) --> Offensive Water checks
Fraxure/Vigoroth/Drifblim --> Other sweepers
Pawniard/Sandslash/Leafeon/Jumpluff/Bouffalant/Sawsbuck --> Swords Dance
Gorebyss --> Shell Smash
Maybe differentiate weather setters by what weather they set and then add Hippopotas?
Ice-types checks section maybe?
Fraxure/Vigoroth/Drifblim --> Other sweepers
Pawniard/Sandslash/Leafeon/Jumpluff/Bouffalant/Sawsbuck --> Swords Dance
Gorebyss --> Shell Smash
Maybe differentiate weather setters by what weather they set and then add Hippopotas?
Ice-types checks section maybe?
you could add archeops for momentum