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Resource ORAS OU Simple Questions, Simple Answers (Read the OP First!)
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Mold breaker only affect abilities.You can hit Levitators like Latios or Rotom-W with EQ or Flash Fire users with a Fire type Move.Pokemon with this ability can also OHKO Stury users at full Health,or ignore Solid Rocks damage reducing attribute.
So Mold Breaker users cant hit Flying types with EQ,unless there are grounded throught Iron Ball or Gravity.The move Roost also removes the Flying type for the rest of the turn.
So Mold Breaker users cant hit Flying types with EQ,unless there are grounded throught Iron Ball or Gravity.The move Roost also removes the Flying type for the rest of the turn.
deoxys-d is setup bait, deoxys-s has subpar attacking stats (knock off is threatening though) and is still kinda setup bait. i forgot about the latis. opposing espeons are usually dual screens i think? they'll stop my sweep but they can't actually hurt me. and i mentioned gardevoir. that covers OU, doesn't it? i suppose alakazam could be a problem too.
but i think the only other real option is psychic/fire, which is objectively worse. HP fighting it is. thanks everyone.
Deoxys-d has taunt, and usually has speed investment, so no setting up there. Deoxys-s has the same attacking stats as Kingdra, yet that was banned to ubers indefinitely during gen 5.
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what is kingra?
kingdra was never banned to ubers
it was only not allowed when it had swift swim and there was also a drizzle politoed on your team
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252 SpA Life Orb Deoxys-S Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Espeon: 109-129 (40 - 47.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Deoxys-S Psycho Boost vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Espeon: 126-148 (46.3 - 54.4%) -- 59% chance to 2HKO
kingdra was banned because permarain made it faster than a lot of things with no investment, it had great typing and enough bulk to take a hit, it could easily go physical, special, or mixed, and one of its STABs was boosted by rain and the other was a great attacking type with two great attacks (outrage and draco meteor).
this is a CM/wish (or morning sun?) espeon, deoxys-s ain't doing shit to it without knock off or shadow ball (and shadow ball loses if espeon already has a CM for some reason).
Does Iron Ball still cause a Flying-type holder to take neutral damage from Ground?
Kingdra was not banned any more than Kabutops was. Having swift swim + drizzle on one team was because the weather that boosted the pokemon's speed also boosted their STAB moves. It was like a free permanent shift gear for every swift swimmer.
Getting back to your original question, definitely go HP Fighting if you can as it allows you to OHKO Bisharp who could otherwise trap you with Pursuit. Few people in my experience predict something like Espeon to go on the offensive against it, instead expecting Espeon to do something like Reflect or BP out to avoid Pursuit, so they tend to either set up or go for the safe knock off. That gives you the opportunity to nail it with HP Fighting, which OHKOs 252/0 Bisharp.
T-tar can also trap you, but HP Fighting hardly does anything to it so I wouldn't expect it to help you much there:
252 SpA Espeon Hidden Power Fighting vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar in Sand: 180-212 (44.5 - 52.4%)
The other option is HP Fire to hit things like Scizor who might otherwise like to come in and set up on you.
If you can't/don't want to breed for hidden power (which I know is a pain in the butt), Espeon is probably best off just going with three support moves + Psychic. Failing that, its coverage options are dazzling gleam, grass knot, shadow ball, and signal beam, though the latter requires BW2.
djflkds yeah sorry i meant, kingdra was ridiculously powerful. wasn't banning it considered an option before the drizzle + swift swim ban?
yeah i'm convinced HP fighting is the best option now. thanks everyone!! i'm even already breeding for it. it seems like it'd be way easier than i thought it would be if it weren't for eevee's gender ratio ._.
No. Iron Ball will now take into account secondary typings as well (e.g. Iron Ball Skarmory takes 2x from Ground-type moves. Iron Ball Staraptor takes neutral damage. Iron Ball Vivillon takes .5x damage.
Yes, it includes that.
It is neither before nor after. Multiplication (including damage multipliers) has something called the commutative property, in which a * b = b * a. In other words, it doesn't matter what the order is, you get the same answer in the end.
I am trying to get a Azumaril to use with my Mega Scizor but I am having trouble finding a good moveset for it. Any recommendations?
Scizor Female
Level 100
Ability- Technician
Nature- Adamant
5 IVs
Evs
• 248 HP
• 136 Def
• 104 SpD
• 20 Spe
Roost
Swords dance
Bullet punch
U-turn
Scizor Female
Level 100
Ability- Technician
Nature- Adamant
5 IVs
Evs
• 248 HP
• 136 Def
• 104 SpD
• 20 Spe
Roost
Swords dance
Bullet punch
U-turn
There are 3 sets commonly used with Azumarill.
Choice band (aqua jet, waterfall, play rough, knock off), Belly Drum w/ sitrus berry (Aqua jet, Waterfall, Playrough, Belly Drum obv), and Assualt Vest (aqua jet, waterfall, playrough, knock off).
If you want a set to go well with M-Scizor, it would either be Choice Band or Belly Drum.
Choice band (aqua jet, waterfall, play rough, knock off), Belly Drum w/ sitrus berry (Aqua jet, Waterfall, Playrough, Belly Drum obv), and Assualt Vest (aqua jet, waterfall, playrough, knock off).
If you want a set to go well with M-Scizor, it would either be Choice Band or Belly Drum.
Thanks :)
Does Iron ball disable the Flying Typing, or just its resistances/immunities? Like, how would Iron Ball Staraptor react to a Fighting move or Electric move?
Iron Ball makes Flying-types susceptible to Ground moves. All other type matchups remain the same. A Fighting move on an Iron Ball Staraptor is still neutral and an Electric move is still SE.
That normally works, however, the pokemon damage formula rounds to a certain decimal place at various points, so that doesn't work. 9.5*2.5*3.5=3.5*2.5*9.5, but 9.5*3.5 (round to nearest tenth)*2.5=/=2.5*3.5 (round to the nearest tenth)*9.5
Damage is calculated exactly, and at the final step the result is rounded down to the nearest integer. There are no intermediate roundings.
Actually, assuming the damage formula is unchanged from Generation V, the figure is rounded 4 times intermediately (one for every time a modifier is applied). You can find the complete damage formula here.
True, but I was assuming that the rounding was inconsequential. It's all rounded down to fractions of 4096, which tends to be pretty close to the actual values (Life Orb, for example, is exactly 5324/4096, approximately a 1.2998x boost).
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