Project OU Next Best Thing - Cycle Last: Mega Latias (Voting)

[Ceros]

Mixed Autotomize

Celesteela @ Psychium Z
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty/Lonely Nature

- Gravity

- Autotomize

- Earthquake

- Air Slash

Before i'll go on to explain my set i'll be frank here, i doubt there's a "better" Celesteela set than the standard one just some different spins on the defensive set or fringe offensive sets. With that being said i think i came up with a decent Cleaner here.

Z Gravity provides Celes with a Special attack boost which makes up for the lack of investment and instantly grounds a lot of pokemon that would otherwise wall it without appropriate coverage. Some notable threats include: Rotom-w, opposing Celesteela, Zapdos while still nailing Targets such as Tangrowth, Tapu bulu, Heatran, Magnezone, Kommo-o and Serperior as well as not being stone walled by Lando-t's intimidate as other physical sets would.

However this set does struggle with power issues as it can't reliably 2hko some of the listed targets meaning it will only be able to pick off it's kills once Stealth Rocks are up or the opponents team has been worn down at which point it can overwhelm them with it's coverage.

Side note: Lonely nature is listed as an alternative Option to give Celes better odds to 2hko the likes of defensive rotom in gravity or guarantee ohko defensive tran however it loses the ability to outspeed rotom and zapdos without an Autotomize up.

just some calcs

Note that Stealth rocks will turn a lot of These into reliable 2hkos and ohkos

+1 0 SpA Celesteela Air Slash vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Tangrowth: 186-222 (46.1 - 55%) -- 61.3% chance to 2HKO
+1 0 SpA Celesteela Air Slash vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Tapu Bulu: 192-228 (55.9 - 66.4%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery and Grassy Terrain recovery
252 Atk Celesteela Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Heatran: 348-412 (107.7 - 127.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Celesteela Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Magnezone: 324-384 (115.3 - 136.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 0 SpA Celesteela Air Slash vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 154-183 (40.3 - 47.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 0 SpA Celesteela Air Slash vs. 252 HP / 240+ SpD Kommo-o: 182-216 (51.4 - 61%) -- 91% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 0 SpA Celesteela Air Slash vs. 56 HP / 0 SpD Serperior: 270-318 (88.5 - 104.2%) -- 25% chance to OHKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Celesteela Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 240+ Def Zapdos: 148-176 (38.6 - 45.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Celesteela Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 200+ Def Rotom-Wash: 132-156 (43.4 - 51.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

 

[Deleted User 464209]

The mighty metronome celesteela

Celesteela @ Metronome
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 72 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 180 Spe
Mild Nature
- Autotomize
- Earthquake
- Air Slash
- Flamethrower

Sweeps so many teams once you kill Zapdos and rotom. This feasts on scarf lando and just blasts through the passive stuff with metronome. +1 airslash or EQ will beat pex. Usually they'll try to cheese by swapping bw lando and Tran, but you just keep clicking airslash and then they can't.

Outspeed M-lopunny at +2. You can go +speed nature if you a weakling to beat scarf lando, but outside greninja, most scarfers dont really bother this too much.

 

[Tio Chico]

Assault Vest Lure


Celesteela @ Assault Vest
Sassy Nature
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 248 HP / 24 Atk / 4 Def / 232 SpD
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Heavy Slam
- Giga Drain/Flamethrower/HP Ice

AV Celesteela becomes a wall with good coverage against threats that normally force a switch, without losing efficiency against Pokémon that Celes normally walls, such as Tapu Lele and Alakazam. Wish Support is highly recommended but not mandatory.
24 Atk guarantees KO Specs Magnezone and Heatran offensive after SR with EQ. HP and SpD evs let you survive Modest M-Charizard Y Fire Blast in sun, and KO back with Stone Edge.

The last move is a personal preference, Giga Drain 2KO Greninja-Ash and leaves less passive against Rotom-W, HP ICE 2KO Lando and Chomp, while Flamethrower allows not to be completely walled by Ferrothorn.

Calcs

252+ SpA Choice Specs Magnezone Thunderbolt vs. 248 HP / 232+ SpD Assault Vest Celesteela: 236-278 (59.4 - 70%)
+1 252 SpA Volcarona Fire Blast vs. 248 HP / 232+ SpD Assault Vest Celesteela: 270-318 (68 - 80.1%)
252+ SpA Charizard-Mega-Y Fire Blast vs. 248 HP / 232+ SpD Assault Vest Celesteela in Sun: 336-396 (84.6 - 99.7%)
252+ SpA Heatran Inferno Overdrive (180 BP) vs. 248 HP / 232+ SpD Assault Vest Celesteela: 314-372 (79 - 93.7%)
252 SpA Magearna Gigavolt Havoc (175 BP) vs. 248 HP / 232+ SpD Assault Vest Celesteela: 186-220 (46.8 - 55.4%)
252 SpA Tapu Koko Thunderbolt vs. 248 HP / 232+ SpD Assault Vest Celesteela in Electric Terrain: 174-206 (43.8 - 51.8%) -- 11.3% chance to 2HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja-Ash Hydro Pump vs. 248 HP / 232+ SpD Assault Vest Celesteela: 148-175 (37.2 - 44%)

24 Atk Celesteela Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Magnezone: 268-316 (95 - 112%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
24 Atk Celesteela Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Heatran: 284-336 (87.9 - 104%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

 

[nameless90]

Specs Celesteela

Celesteela @ Choice Specs
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 248 HP / 104 Def / 156 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Giga Drain
- Air Slash
- Flash Cannon
- Flamethrower


General idea
Celesteela is often seen as a slow and quite passive tank, but the addition of Choice Specs allows this Ultra beast to 2HKO some threat that normally are not 2HKOed.
The Choice Specs boost is quite unpredictable and will change the opponent's calculations about the possibility to use our Celesteela as a set-up bait.

EVs (spread) and item
Celesteela can use a spread of 248 HP / 104 Def / 156 SpD with a Bold nature to better check physically offensive threats like Mega Scizor and Mega Pinsir, while still being able to take two HP Fires from Choice Specs Tapu Lele if Stealth Rock is not present on the field.

Calcs:

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0 SpA Choice Specs Celesteela Flamethrower vs. 248 HP / 244 SpD Scizor-Mega: 328-388 (95.6 - 113.1%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
0 SpA Choice Specs Celesteela Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Skarmory: 274-324 (82 - 97%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

0 SpA Choice Specs Celesteela Giga Drain vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Rotom-Wash: 162-192 (53.2 - 63.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 SpA Choice Specs Celesteela Giga Drain vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Greninja-Ash: 226-268 (79.2 - 94%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
0 SpA Choice Specs Celesteela Giga Drain vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Swampert-Mega: 316-376 (92.6 - 110.2%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
0 SpA Choice Specs Celesteela Giga Drain vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Gastrodon: 280-332 (65.8 - 78.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

0 SpA Choice Specs Celesteela Flash Cannon vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 165-195 (51.7 - 61.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 SpA Choice Specs Celesteela Flash Cannon vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Garchomp: 156-184 (43.6 - 51.5%) -- 64.5% chance to 2HKO after SR
0 SpA Choice Specs Celesteela Flash Cannon vs. 84 HP / 0 SpD Tapu Bulu: 288-338 (95.3 - 111.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock and Grassy Terrain recovery

0 SpA Choice Specs Celesteela Air Slash vs. 252 HP / 68 SpD Venusaur-Mega: 206-246 (56.5 - 67.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 SpA Choice Specs Celesteela Air Slash vs. 84 HP / 0 SpD Tapu Bulu: 270-318 (89.4 - 105.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock and Grassy Terrain recovery
0 SpA Choice Specs Celesteela Air Slash vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Tangrowth: 186-222 (46.1 - 55%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

Teammates support
A way to deal properly with Toxapex, Heatran and Zapdos is mandatory.

 

[ReadTheMango]

Celesteela @ Grassium Z
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Seed Bomb
- Earthquake
- Iron Head
- Autotomize

Have you ever felt like water types are just annoying for Celesteela to deal with? Physical Grassium-Z Celesteela is for you! Celesteela is naturally bulky enough that it can afford to take a hit setting up most of the time. Therefore I decided to run an Autotomize set, as I feel it does decently well against a fair chunk of the metagame. The reason I elected on physical over special is the ground type coverage of earthquake, which deals with a lot of Celesteela's traditional counters.

Never again will Swampert annoy you. Rain is far less of an issue to deal with when using this set. Electric types, defensive Steel types and big Pex run in fear of this Earthquake. Iron Head is just solid STAB which deals with lots of damage to anything that doesn't resist it and can potentially flinch. It is run over Heavy Slam because Autotomize makes you lighter and therefore lessens Heavy Slam's damage.

Zapdos is still a massive issue for this set, so packing team members that check the zappy bird is crucial.

 

[Askov]

Celesteela @ Leftovers
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 248 HP / 224 Def / 36 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Block
- Metal Sound
- Air Slash
- Leech Seed

Gimmicky set but it can lure and get rid of pex with msound + air slash + seed. Make sure that u pair it with something that handles lele/zam because now you can lose the 1v1 vs them but u still check stuff like kart/bulu/non-rockium lando/pinsir

 

[Egor]

It's time to vote! There are 10 nominations so far:
3 Attacks by Chazm
Leech Seed + Toxic by Solaros & Lunaris
ZGround Autotomize by Dreadfury
Choice Band by JTD783
Z-Gravity Autotomize by Ceros
Metronome Autotomize by Veez
Assault Vest by Tio Chico
Choice Specs by nameless90
ZGrass Autotomize by ReadTheMango
Block + Metal Sound by Askov

The deadline is Tuesday 10th of September.​

 

[Solaros & Lunaris]

3 attacks

 

[Deleted User 464209]

Assault vest just because of how stupidly bulky it is

 

[Katy]

block + metal sound, saw this in a charmflash game, is p good and a nice niche tech.

 

[JTD783]

assault vest

 

[VCrakeV]

Assault vest

 

[ReadTheMango]

Block + Metal Sound is nice but perhaps a little too niche for me.

Therefore, my vote goes to Assault Vest

 

[Hacci]

Metronome Autotomize.

 

[InvisibleWater]

Assault Vest

 

[Egor]

Ok, the voting is over, and by its results, the winner of the Cycle 16 is Assault Vest by Tio Chico . Congratulations! Your submission will be added to the Hall of Fame soon. And let's move straight to the next Cycle!

Cycle Seventeen - Mega Scizor


The third defensive Steel-type in a row! Well, Mega Scizor isn't exactly a defensive - it also can act as an effective win condition thanks to Swords Dance and powerful Bullet Punch which, when boosted, eliminates nearly everything late-game, especially with hazards up. While Mega Scizor's only widely used and most viable set is the aforementioned bulky Swords Dance, I expect more intriguing sets from you guys. Go wild!

Banned Sets


You are allowed to post sets only for the Mega forme. The deadline is Sunday 15th of September. Good luck!​

 

[nameless90]

Agility Mega Scizor

Scizor @ Scizorite
Ability: Light Metal
EVs: 248 HP / 152+ Atk / 8 Def / 100 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Agility
- Iron Head
- Superpower
- Knock Off


General idea
Agility Mega Scizor is an original way to face HO teams fixing that lowish Spe with Agility, which replaces Swords Dance in this matchup-based Scizor.
Iron Head is picked over Bullet Punch due to the extra power. Knock Off combines both utility and coverage, whereas Superpower can lure and weaken some key threats, including pokemons with lure moves (such as Tyranitar).
Superpower is really helpful in order to get rid of some key Steels despite it forces Scizor to switch out.


EVs (spread)

152+ Atk EVs allow to achieve this feature: 152+ Atk Scizor-Mega Superpower vs. 8 HP / 4 Def Magnezone: 266-314 (93.9 - 110.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock.
100 Spe EVs allow to reach 211 base Spe (one point over neutral nature + 16 Spe EVs Tapu Fini and Kommo-o, just to use a Knock Off or dealing some chip damage to them) and 422 after an Agility boost

Calcs:

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152+ Atk Scizor-Mega Superpower vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 286-338 (74 - 87.5%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
152+ Atk Scizor-Mega Superpower vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Heatran: 284-336 (87.9 - 104%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
152+ Atk Scizor-Mega Superpower vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Kartana: 238-282 (91.5 - 108.4%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
-1 152+ Atk Scizor-Mega Superpower vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 368-436 (107.9 - 127.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
-1 152+ Atk Scizor-Mega Superpower vs. 168 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar-Mega: 284-336 (74.1 - 87.7%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
152+ Atk Scizor-Mega Iron Head vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tornadus-Therian: 180-213 (60 - 71%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
152+ Atk Scizor-Mega Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Tornadus-Therian: 180-213 (49.7 - 58.8%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO

Team(mates) support
A way to deal properly with Electric and Water-type pokèmons is mandatory in order to avoid switching out after the Agility boost.
Wish support is also really appreciated because you have to drop Roost.

 

[Solaros & Lunaris]

3 Attacks

 

[VCrakeV]

I don't normally use Mega Scizor because a) it has an extremely exploitable weakness, and b) it can't even use shed shell to escape Magnezone, which exploits this weakness. That said, here's a set I might use if I were to use Mega Scizor:

Scizor-Mega @ Scizorite
Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
IVs: 30 Atk
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Struggle Bug
- Roost
- Knock Off / U-Turn / Bullet Punch

This set uses Scizor's mostly excellent typing to check certain wallbreakers. Hidden power fire OHKOs Kartana, which fails to OHKO back with a +2 sacred sword, or 2HKO with banded sacred sword. Max SpD allows Scizor to wall Lele lacking HP fire and cm Magearna. Struggle bug stops the former two from fully setting up. The last move slot (aside from obligatory roost) has a few options; knock off is generally good utility, u-turn is great for momentum (and getting away from Magnezone on a predicted switch), while bullet punch is just good priority STAB that can finish off Lele and Magearna. This set can also check banded Bulu, which is a boon for stall.

 

[Deleted User 464209]

Double Edge Offensive Scizor
Scizor-Mega @ Scizorite
Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 244 Atk / 16 Def
Adamant Nature
- Roost
- Swords Dance
- Double-Edge
- Bullet Punch

If you want, you can drop tons of HP to go faster than rotom, but then you lose ability to check kartana. This scizor cheeses past waters and other fat non-resists that try to check it. You know, like pex or that dumb SD gliscor that people think can switch into anything. Double Edge + BP or +2 Double Edge + +2 BP kills lots of stuff. Most things figure they can take a hit even if you are knock-off or superpower, the latter of which is scary, but weakens your sweep each time you use it. Obviously requires non-passive steels removed.

Calcs

+2 244+ Atk Scizor-Mega Double-Edge vs. 248 HP / 240+ Def Zapdos: 257-303 (67.1 - 79.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery Kill with KP after SR
+2 244+ Atk Scizor-Mega Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Toxapex: 220-259 (72.3 - 85.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery

+2 244+ Atk Technician Scizor-Mega Bullet Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tornadus-Therian: 288-339 (96 - 113%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
+2 244+ Atk Scizor-Mega Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Tornadus-Therian: 380-448 (104.9 - 123.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

+2 244+ Atk Scizor-Mega Double-Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Keldeo: 346-408 (107.1 - 126.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

+2 244+ Atk Scizor-Mega Double-Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gyarados: 386-455 (116.6 - 137.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

244+ Atk Scizor-Mega Double-Edge vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Greninja: 220-259 (77.1 - 90.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Kill with BP

244+ Atk Scizor-Mega Double-Edge vs. 248 HP / 112 Def Volcarona: 193-228 (51.7 - 61.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

244+ Atk Scizor-Mega Double-Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Volcarona: 226-266 (72.6 - 85.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
244+ Atk Technician Scizor-Mega Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Volcarona: 84-100 (27 - 32.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

+2 244+ Atk Scizor-Mega Double-Edge vs. 248 HP / 16 Def Tapu Fini: 277-327 (80.7 - 95.3%) -- 50% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

+2 244+ Atk Scizor-Mega Double-Edge vs. 244 HP / 0 Def Gliscor: 262-309 (74.4 - 87.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Poison Heal Kill with BP before they can roost.

Ko's scarf lando at +1 with DE + BP. lando can't 2hko

+2 244+ Atk Scizor-Mega Double-Edge vs. 248 HP / 36+ Def Pelipper: 278-328 (86 - 101.5%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

Counter-curse scizor is super fun if someone want it. (counter/curse/roost/bullet punch)

 

[JTD783]

Defensive Toxic

Scizor @ Scizorite
Ability: Light Metal
EVs: 248 HP / 16 Def / 244 SpD
Impish Nature
-Roost
-Bullet Punch
-U-Turn
-Toxic

Mega Scizor has two key issues in the current meta. First, it struggles with Magnezone, especially due to its inability to use a Shed Shell. Second, it has many viable checks and counters that it can often be helpless against. Even when it runs offensive sets to lure some of them, it still cannot take them all with one set and becomes unable to beat the likes of Tapu Bulu and Kartana.

The latter dilemma is addressed by using Toxic. Pokémon such as Rotom-Wash, Zapdos, Tornadus-Therian, Gastrodon, and Volcarona can be baited and poisoned when they would normally expect U-Turn or Bullet Punch as options.

This works best on balance teams which need a catch-all check to physical attackers and a way of putting the aforementioned threats in a timer with Toxic. It works well with the balance staple Gliscor, which handles Heatran and Toxapex.

 

[Egor]

I'm disappointed to see such a small amount of submissions. Anyway, there are 4 nominations so far:
Agility by nameless90
Struggle Bug by VCrakeV
SD Double Edge by Veez
Toxic by JTD783

Solaros & Lunaris your submission wasn't included because you haven't filled up your reservation. The deadline is Tuesday 17th os September.​

 

[Proftreez]

struggle bug lol

 

[Katy]

SD Double-Edge M-Sciz

 

[Solaros & Lunaris]

Double-Edge