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Project OU Theorymon [Voting: Check Post #3272]

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Anyway, away from the Sol talk for a bit...

I still find the King's Shield Slowking the most original idea of the bunch as its a unique take on a previously signature move. It doesnt boast Aegi's insane typing but possess the bulk, ability to compliment it a bit more. It gives it a damn good niche that allows it to be a complete and utter ass to some mons and can make like easier for some teams packing a check to physical mons and special in one slot at times.

Sure its biggest downside is its not gonna absorb any strong physical attacks like EQ all day but idk, i truly just love this fella cause its just a damn fun idea to me (the buffs to some of the more obvious crap does piss me off at times to be fair).
 
The thing I like about Heal Bell Bronzong is that it gives it a bit more diversity in such a barren movepool where 3 moves are pretty much set in stone (Gyro, EQ, HP Ice) while the last move is either rocks or some random stuff like Protect. Would make building certain defensive cores a bit easier.

King's Shield Slowking is nice simply cause it needs that defense drop sometimes to not be fodder for a bunch of physical attackers in the tier. Maybe some raging and arguments of 50/50s while we're at it as well :)

I get the concept of Agility Dragalge but if you've ever used this thing you would know that Specs Dragalge is insanely disgusting and is sort of just spamming moves to hit whatever switch in real hard. It's more about the simplicity to me than the practical use that makes me rather use Specs over agility.

No comment on M-Absol since it's sort of already been established by others on what it does.
 
I actually like this slate. First good one in a few. Right now I want to talk about Absol. So in my experiences with this thing, it can be really hard to m-evolve. It dies from hits from wet noodles. Unless you're a master at prediction or you sacrifice something, you're not getting this thing in. I'd like to suggest we change the buff to BOTH forms so that we can give Absol a little easier of a time getting in and doing its thing.
 
I actually like this slate. First good one in a few. Right now I want to talk about Absol. So in my experiences with this thing, it can be really hard to m-evolve. It dies from hits from wet noodles. Unless you're a master at prediction or you sacrifice something, you're not getting this thing in. I'd like to suggest we change the buff to BOTH forms so that we can give Absol a little easier of a time getting in and doing its thing.
I support this, with Absol's defenses, it needs every defensive buff it can get.
 
Are we allowed to change suggestions tho? I'd rather consult the person who made the suggestion if they meant Dark/Fairy for only Mega or both forms.
 
Are we allowed to change suggestions tho? I'd rather consult the person who made the suggestion if they meant Dark/Fairy for only Mega or both forms.
Actually, this was brought up in the submission conversation.
I like Dark/Fairy Mega Absol. Would the typing also pertain to its base form?
I'm not sure that that makes as much flavor sense, but if it's necessary to be able to switch into things, I'm all for it. Opinions on that?
I mean it can use Play Rough and it's not flavor contradictory, so I'll allow it. What do the rest of you think?
So yeah, I think we could do that.
 
We can change submissions, yes. It was done in the past with Ice/Steel Avalugg (was mono Steel Avalugg) to balance it out and make it more manageable as well as fit flavor.
 
King's Shield Slowking is probably the best one as most people already pointed out, as Slowking's physical defense is a bit poor compared with Slowbro's and King Shield really makes up for this. Slowking would become much more consistent and it would give for sure Slowbro good competition as you aren't of course using them as the same time.

Heal Bell Bronzong is cool and all but to be honest I guess there are better cleric in the tier (Chansey, Sylveon) and it still remains a sittin duck that really fits just in some stall teams so I wouldn't really be hyped by it.

Fairy / Dark Absol is probably the coolest one after Slowking as Fairy-type helps it a lot (everyone already explained why, so I wouldn't explain it again), but it still remains pretty frail and it would still have serious competition from some of the other megas (Lopunny, Metagross and Altaria to make some examples), so it probably wouldn't see too much usage even with that buff.

Finally, Agility Dragalge would be a cool late game sweeper I guess, as it hits incredibily hard and as it has a decent bulk of 65 / 90 / 123 to use Agility. 44 base Speed is pretty bad though, so people would probably just prefer the Choice Specs set that is much more consistent and threatening overall.
 
Hogg Jr. demands a recount!

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I'm calling your bluff. You'll do it anyways ;)

Called it.
 
I actually like this slate. First good one in a few. Right now I want to talk about Absol. So in my experiences with this thing, it can be really hard to m-evolve. It dies from hits from wet noodles. Unless you're a master at prediction or you sacrifice something, you're not getting this thing in. I'd like to suggest we change the buff to BOTH forms so that we can give Absol a little easier of a time getting in and doing its thing.

Idk parting shot seemed to help the form change bit for me but i like it as it is
 
This slate has all sorts of cool suggestions
King Shield Slowking- This suggestion caught my eye as its kinda like how i thought about Defiant Entei: it buffed both the pokemon and the ability (or move in this case). In terms of King Shield, this move vanished after aegi got banned, but slowking being a specially oriented can take advantage of the attack drop granted from king shield. The only problem is that its kinda reliant on the opposing pokemon being at -2 to take a physical attack well, Plus bisharp always forces it out cause of defiant. I was never a fan of King Shield cause aegi was already bulky on both defensive spectrums, and its typing just was godly as hell. Pretty sure this guy completly counters Mega Metagross, so thats something i like about it.

Heal Bell Bronzong- Yea it can heal status now, but its still outclassed as a cleric by clefable and sylveon who can also pass wishes. It gets rocks, but Clefable can do that to. This one just doesn't shine for me.

Dark/Fairy Absol- This guys is fighting for my vote with Slowking. Fairy typing brings a steel, Poison and it keeps its fairy weakness, but absol should never be taking hits anyway so its not that bad, but instead looses its weakness to Fighting and bug moves, so its no longer as threatened by mach punches and U-Turns. It also gains a quad resistance to dark moves, so this thing is not threatened by dark types at all, and a dragon immunities which is the greatest asset. It now resists both of the Latis STABS and threatens it back with STAB Knock Off/Play Rough. Also, Dark/Fairy is also very good neutral coverage, leaving it able to run Sucker Punch, (Parting Shot if it doesn't conflict with the theorymon slate), Megahorn, Zen Headbutt, Stone Edge, Fire Blast and Ice Beam. This guy really shines but slowking does to, i just can't decide.

Agility Dragalge- This thing reminds me of Mega Ampharos, except that extra speed point that is lost does hurt it. Ampharos hit a sexy 378 with Modest, which outsped Greninja, the fastest non scarfed threat in the tier, Dragalge only hits 374 with modest, which leaves it outsped by Mega Pidgeot and Tornadus-Therian, which i think are the fastest non scarfed pokemon in the Post Greninja meta. You can run Jolly, but you already loose a lot of power from not being able to drop draco meteors due to it being counter intuitive to sweeping. I do see the merits of using this set and how its sorta like Mega Ampharos. Both have very Unique Defenisve and Offensive typings that help them set up an Agility, but they both have their niches. Ampharos has much better bulk than Dragalge, but Dragalge gets a bit more power with Adaptability boosting its great neutral stab coverage, as well as being able to hold an item to further boost its attack, while Ampharos is forced to hold its Mega stone. Ampharos does still boast a whopping 165 SpA stat, which means that its coverage moves still hit as hard, while Dragalge only having a 97 base SpA, meaning his coverage moves won't be hitting as hard as its stabs, so Bulky Steel Types do hinder a sweep a bit more for Dragalge than Ampharos, although i hate saying it, Ampharos does use your mega slot so it does have opportunity cost. Overall id say they both have merits and if you don't have a mega, Dragalge can fulfill Ampharos roll as an agility sweeper pretty well.
 
Dark/Fairy Absol- This guys is fighting for my vote with Slowking. Fairy typing brings a steel, Poison and it keeps its fairy weakness, but absol should never be taking hits anyway so its not that bad, but instead looses its weakness to Fighting and bug moves, so its no longer as threatened by mach punches and U-Turns. It also gains a quad resistance to dark moves, so this thing is not threatened by dark types at all, and a dragon immunities which is the greatest asset. It now resists both of the Latis STABS and threatens it back with STAB Knock Off/Play Rough. Also, Dark/Fairy is also very good neutral coverage, leaving it able to run Sucker Punch, (Parting Shot if it doesn't conflict with the theorymon slate), Megahorn, Zen Headbutt, Stone Edge, Fire Blast and Ice Beam. This guy really shines but slowking does to, i just can't decide.
Just want to point out that Dark / Fairy Absol does not resist the the Latis STABs, in fact it is immune to both of them. Also, you should never run Megahorn on anything that does not get STAB on it, as bug coverage is really poor coverage, considering that it hits psychic, dark, and grass types, and absol can hit all of those types with knock off, play rough, and fire blast respectively.
 
Just want to point out that Dark / Fairy Absol does not resist the the Latis STABs, in fact it is immune to both of them. Also, you should never run Megahorn on anything that does not get STAB on it, as bug coverage is really poor coverage, considering that it hits psychic, dark, and grass types, and absol can hit all of those types with knock off, play rough, and fire blast respectively.
My bad :/ brain Fart, I was extremely tired writing these.

EDIT: I know mega horn was probably a poor move, I just thought it should be at least mentioned.
 
Just an FYI that Dark/Fairy has perfect neutral coverage bar Klefki and Mawile. A SD set with nothing but STAB sounds very appealing.
 
Yup, Swords Dance / Knock Off / Play Rough / Sucker Punch could definitely be good. Also, it's a great counter to Mega Sableye if it has mega evolved, since Magic Bounce bounces back Will o wisp, and Dark Pulse is 4x resisted, while Shadow Ball is 2x resisted.

I have changed my mind; probably voting for Dark Fairy M-Asbol now.
 
My vote will be on Dark/Fairy Mega Absol. I really like the unique advantages Dark/Fairy typing gives. I guess there's always a quandary about picking pursuit or knock off depending on how much you want to delete the Latis.
 
I've remained silent, and it's mostly because as much as I like Dark/fairy Absol, I'm leaning toward King's Shield Slowking. I realize it won't win, but such an interesting all purpose defensive mon with support and offensive potential appeals to me more than slightly better defensive typing and STAB Play Rough on Absol
 
I've remained silent, and it's mostly because as much as I like Dark/fairy Absol, I'm leaning toward King's Shield Slowking. I realize it won't win, but such an interesting all purpose defensive mon with support and offensive potential appeals to me more than slightly better defensive typing and STAB Play Rough on Absol

Yah and frankly I am not in the mood to buff something that's been buffed already atm. Its original and on a mon that's barely OU viable at times it seems
 
You do understand my skepticism, right?

Yah I perfectly understand bud. Its more just slating something that I know has been asked before but given to something that I found had already a nice enough buff given to it as was in Parting Shot. My point still stands I wouldn't mind buffing things twice as needed if it called for it but I have an opinion on the slate as of now and that's how it is.
 
Perhaps the Absol slates should be completely separate from eachother? For example, in the Aqua Server maybe it could be set up like Floette, Basculin or Pikachu, with Absol-Dark/Fairy and Absol-Parting-Shot as separate options so that there's no concern with stacking buffs.
 
I'm torn between Bronzong+Heal Bell or Dark / Fairy for Mega Absol, because both seem like absolutely amazing changes that make sense not only stylistically, but also boost them to a greater level of viability. Brondong is literally a bell, so I'm not even gonna go into that. Just looking at Mega Absol, one feels that this thing should be Dark / Fairy, also Knock Off+Play Rough with STAB is god (or at least better than it is now lol). The others are basically something that would be nice to have but not all that necessary; also I personally feel that Agility Dragalge would be pretty bad due to 1) its loss of bulk and 2) it basically having about the same speed as base ~135s after an Agility, leaving it prone to every scarfer ever, not to mention that if you want to use this thing properly you need to have Draco Meteor/252 SpA with Modest, both of which you can't do for an Agility set. Slowking with King's Shield is cool but nothing gamebreaking imo.
 
King's Shield Slowking: This would be a pretty cool defensive pivot. With King's Shield forcing switches, Slowking can take advantage of Regenerator to new levels. Slowking is pretty solid when taking special attacks, and King's Shield would make it difficult for physical attackers to break through it, so Slowking's defensive game would get a whole lot better. Though King's Shield does create a lot of 50/50 scenarios, which would be annoying as hell, and constantly switching out with Regenerator filling its health back up would be the epitome of annoyance. Other than the fact that this would be very annoying to face, I can't really say anything bad about it.

Agility Dragalge: This is a rather interesting Theorymon. Dragalge's already a monstrously powerful attacker, but its low Speed can be its undoing at times. With Agility, Dragalge not only breaks through walls like it usually does, but now it also threatens offensive teams. Thanks to Dragalge's typing and bulk, it can force a switch and can get a safe opportunity to set up, and then rip through offense like a hot knife through butter. But the problem is losing out on coverage, which can cut a sweep short, not being able to break through Mega Metagross is still a problem, and losing out on the raw power of the Choice Specs set will be missed. But I overall like this one, as a little support for it could go a long way.

Dark / Fairy Mega Absol: STAB Dark/Fairy coverage? Check. New Dragon immunity and no Bug or Fighting weakness? Check. The perfect Latios check? ...Check. Yeah, an extra Fairy typing is really all that Mega Absol needed. Gaining Poison and Steel weaknesses is a shame, as things like Mega Venusaur and Mega Scizor now have an edge over it, but not being weak to Mach Punch and U-turn is a fair trade-off, and who can honestly say no to a Dragon immunity? The near perfect neutral coverage in Dark/Fairy is also really good, and getting STAB on Play Rough now is going to spice up its offensive game. Looks good to me.

Heal Bell Bronzong: If only Bronzong were getting recovery AND Heal Bell, then I'd say that this is a fantastic Theorymon. If Bronzong is going to be the team's cleric, it needs recovery to make up for repeatedly switching into entry hazards or even direct attacks, as 67 / 116 / 116 defenses only go so far without recovery beyond Leftovers and Rest. Lacking recovery means Bronzong will only have a few opportunities to support its team with Heal Bell, which is a shame, as this would have been a really good Pokemon otherwise.
 
Ight yall, its been a bit without discussion and frankly it seems like its been too long, so on to voting!

Who are the galliant candidates you may be asking us? Well look no further than right below this line!

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+ King's Shield (Pipotchi)

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+ Agility (Kurona)

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+ Dark / Fairy typing (Phione)

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+ Heal Bell

Remember, in order for your vote to be a crucial factor in determining which of these we will sacrif- I mean select for integration into the meta, it must be bolded like so

Bronzong + Heal Bell

Note that is not an actual vote, just an example of what it should look like! (Bolded, just not necessarily for Bronzong)



Without further ado, let the great experiment begin! Vote away for whoever you want to win!
 
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