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Tournament OUFL II - Format Discussion

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This tournament will be hosted by Dead by Daylight and FayaWizard.

OUPL has rolled around again, and with it comes OUFL! Let's get to farming. There are a few topics we'd like to discuss with the community.

Tiers
Last year, OUFL followed the format below.
SV OU x4
SS OU x2
SM OU x2
ORAS OU x1
Bo3 OU [SM / SS / SV] x1

As of right now, we are considering adding some tiers and potentially making this tournament 12 slots if we do end up adding tiers. The tiers up for consideration, in my opinion, would be BW OU or National Dex OU. Do you have any tiers that you would like to see added? If so, should we move to a 12-slot tour or stay at 10 slots?

Keep in mind that last year, we had 140k credits to fill a minimum of 14 slots. If we move to 12 slots, the credit allocation will likely be changed as well.

Third Managers
The advent of a third comanager has led to a rapid shift on Smogon, and we will be following it - please sign up with 3 managers once signups are out.

This thread will stay open until manager signups go out, which will be the 23rd of October. Once the thread is locked, we will post a conclusion on what we have chosen to go through with.

Happy farming.

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Format should not be expanded, 12 slots with a bo3 is too much prep for a farm league. Additionally, ndfl is currently ongoing + any nd slot would probably just end up being the worse nd mainers who are in ndpl but cant make oupl while adding bw alone adds 2 extra slots or takes away the bo3 slot, its also not a fairygen or in oupl. IMO oufl should also be preparing people to work towards oupl next year and adding formats that aren't in oupl works against that.

Only change i would suggest making is shifting bo3 from smogtour to masters to give oras a little more representation because its community is pretty large, but idrc which one the bo3 slot is.
 
Said this last year or last time but add second ORAS OU, other stuff I don't care about or have strong opinions on. 1 slot felt like a meme last time cause you had SPL level subs/starters in KingofKing, Destro, farming everyone else simply because they weren't part of some rando jerk to be a noticeable pick for OUPL over rando mainer or tour clicker.

Was typing but agree with Veti for adding Masters format as a pick if you're gonna add slots out of anything.
 
Criminal Chesnaught manager here

I have never managed a 12 man tour at the same time, so can't really say if I like it or not, but people really liked the format of last year, if anything, the only thing needing change is maybe add an extra ORAS slot, because the people believed the pool was a bit too heavy. the bo3 is stour, i don't think i would support a masters bo3 since you have Masters farm league for that one
 
2 bo3 slots might be a little much but dropping 1 sv ou slot for a masters bo3 would be cool. This way every major fairy gen ou tour gets some form of representation in the lineup. Agreed with veti on the natdex/bw point & keeping it 10 slots is fine, otherwise prep/involvement/activity requirements start inflating. Since this tour is meant to prepare budding prospects/newer players for team tour environments, I don't think bumping up the player minimum to 14 while keeping it at 10 slots is a bad thing, nor is forcing everyone to start once like a lot of side tours do. This adds more players into the pool to learn/prepare for higher level tours without adding the extra preparation that extra slots does.
 
Three topics to talk about, not only for OUFL but I hope are considerated for next OUPL too:

1) Add a second ORAS Slot: As my fellow mates already stated, ORAS Community is large and a lot of good players will, probably, not be drafted for OUPL, just to come here and literally destroy the pool. My take it's to drop one SV slot and give it for ORAS and stay in 10 slots. As the bo3 stays in smogtour format SV won't be affected at all.

2) NatDex OU? - Personally, I hate SV ND OU current metagame, it's not attractive to play in any way as SS ND used to be when it was current. I believe ND Staff should ban some mons, make a tiering survey or smth to fix their tier. IMO Zamazenta should be out, I find it very restrictive when building & megas being dropped in order to use the dog should be a clear symptom. So just for now, I would be 100% disagree on adding it. However, in the future, as NatDex player base is quite massive, or at least that's my perspective, it can be discussed if we can give it 1 slot too. In that case, making the tour 12 slots, 12th slot can be either one SV more or BW too.

3)For FL make it 12 slots, Farms League is for people to show up how good they are and demostrate their value as why should they be picked in higher tours. In order to help them doing that, 12-slots it's a must be for farmers. I disagree with the idea of "12 slots it's too much to prep", it's too much if there are other tours you are in aside from this one (and if you are gonna be too busy to play a tour, dude, just don't sign up lol), plus each player should challenge itself to be independant or search their own help. Don't get me wrong, managers should still guide him or provide scout & manager stuff but it's not gonna be as demanding as a PL nor any other team tour, the load should be more on the player-side than manager-side as it's in the best interest for the player to perform.

Ending this by thanking in advance to all managers for doing their best & taking their time to guide/help players to improve.
 
Im fan of either second ORAS OU or ND. I wouldnt personally like BW and older gens to be added in a side tour like this, oras tho is my favourite tier and for consistency reasons im v down for double oras. ND im also fan cuz i love tournaments that sorta include both ND and reg OU communities as i believe there are alot of talented ND players.
 
If they let me start most weeks in a 10-slot OUFL then there is definitely no need for 12 slots.
On a serious note, I don't know about the prep load for 12 slots, but if the idea is to get more people experience playing: barely anybody was permabenched last tour, most people who got drafted got in at least one game. Only team with multiple 0-0s was Gulpins, who both had a large roster and probably had enough of a good thing going (they made finals) that they didn't need to rotate people aggressively.

Generally agree with not adding natdex, plenty of reasoning above.
A second ORAS slot, either in place of BO3 or most likely SV4, sounds good considering the size of the community. BW can be a consideration if the expansion does happen after all, but it's not in OUPL and I agree with veti on mirroring the tiers played there, even if the precise format is different.

I am also going to suggest not doing retains even if there are no format changes. Besides the point of a farm league being to graduate from it, the pools are also just kind of insane looking because the tour's brand new.
 
Fdmw said:
Oras also has a slot in roapl, dont see the need to add another oras tier.
Ndex ou is unofficial tier.
Should follow the oupl format
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i generally dont see why ND would be added but IIRC it has been reorganized to be "official" at some point during gen 9
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unless i just dont know what this means, which is fair
 
As an SS fan, obviously i like the double SS slots, because in the off chance that i get drafted, i might get to start.

If there happens to be 12 slots, i think
4sv
2ss
2Oras
2sm
1bw
1 bo3
would be cool.... i just feel bad for the dpp/adv players. (i hate rby and gsc games, they are boring.)
 
veti said:
Format should not be expanded, 12 slots with a bo3 is too much prep for a farm league.
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I think in regards to this it can help helpers to have a decent spotlight too. Im of the opinion that prepping is also a skill that can be tested, and i personally consider OUFL a major tour. 12 slots allow helpers / support players to shine and show that they are useful for next tours/push a good impression of them. That being said, i understand that you might feel pressure as a manager (not saying you would be one, but in case you were planning to manage OUFL) to control 12 slots and make sure they are prepped enough.
 
sh0shin said:
i generally dont see why ND would be added but IIRC it has been reorganized to be "official" at some point during gen 9
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White Atoq said:
For FL make it 12 slots, Farms League is for people to show up how good they are and demostrate their value as why should they be picked in higher tours. In order to help them doing that, 12-slots it's a must be for farmers. I disagree with the idea of "12 slots it's too much to prep", it's too much if there are other tours you are in aside from this one (and if you are gonna be too busy to play a tour, dude, just don't sign up lol), plus each player should challenge itself to be independant or search their own help. Don't get me wrong, managers should still guide him or provide scout & manager stuff but it's not gonna be as demanding as a PL nor any other team tour, the load should be more on the player-side than manager-side as it's in the best interest for the player to perform.
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I would like to echo Atoq's point, having 12 slots would better fit the very purpose of a Farms league and I really don't agree with the idea that this format would be too much to prep for. Obviously, teams relying on a limited number of individuals to drop preps and builds may struggle a bit more, but I really think this stems more from weak'ish drafts than from the format in and of itself.

Prep work is, at least partially, the responsibility of the starting players, and I really think that there isn't much of a point signing up if you are basically just going to AFK and hop on discord once a week to be fed teams and click (obviously no offense to anybody, but there is literally nothing to gain from a tour like this one apart from valuable experience and visibility). I am not saying that nobody should ever receive any help, but there is a big difference between that and just sitting out of the tournament until sunday evening comes and you have to play your game. There is obviously nothing wrong with drafting less invested players too, but in that case I feel like it would be fairly dishonest to blame it on the format, as picking up active and motivated elements is also part of the job and what this type of tournament should be about.
TLDR: if there is an increased strain on a limited number of players per team because some starters turn out to be lazy or too busy, then the format isn't the problem: the draft is.

I also disagree with the idea that managers will have a higher workload since last edition only required 2 managers per team for a total of 10 slots. If this was doable, then 3 managers for 12 slots surely can't be that bad (not even including subs potentially helping out scouts/preps as well).
 
My preferred option is to remove bo3 and add an oras slot. I think since this is a farm tour there is probably just enough decent bo3 starters. but a team also needs decent bo3 subs and i feel like there is a lack of it.
If slots increase to 12 i would add one sv and one oras slot.
 
Here is my opinion regarding all that have been talked earlier.

12 slots:
I’m fully open to a 12-slot format. Since the tournament allows managers to sign up in groups of three, this setup shouldn’t pose any issues for the teams.

Opening an other Oras OU slot:
I think it could be a good idea, but it’s not my preferred option. I’m a bit concerned about the potential difference in skill level between the ORAS slots, which might be even bigger now that there would be two instead of one.

Opening a BW OU Slot:
I think adding BW would be an interesting choice, and it’s my preferred option. It would add more diversity to the tiers and overall gameplay.

Regarding the SV OU Natdex:
Like BW, including NatDex could definitely add diversity to the lineup. My only concern is that, with NDFL happening at the same time, we might end up drawing from the same group of players, particularly if NDPL participants aren’t allowed to compete.

To finish, regarding the format, I think my best option would be:

4X SV OU
2X SS OU
2X SM OU
2X Oras OU
1X BW OU
1X Bo3 (SM / SS / SV)

But if SV OU Natdex is chosen, then

4X SV OU
1X SV OU Natdex
2X SS OU
2X SM OU
1X Oras OU
1X BW OU
1X Bo3 (SM / SS / SV)
 
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