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Matthew

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Current analysis: http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/parasect

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name: UberSect
move 1: Spore
move 2: Stun Spore
move 3: X-Scissor / Seed Bomb
move 4: Aromatherapy / Light Screen / X-Scissor
item: Leftovers
ability: Dry Skin
nature: Adamant
evs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 96 Def / 156 SpD

<p>Rather ironically, for as poor a Pokemon as Parasect is, it functions surprisingly decent when used in the Uber tier. The biggest advantage Parasect has in Ubers is its ability, Dry Skin. Dry Skin not only makes Parasect immune to Water attacks, but they actually replenish its health. Parasect will also recover a sizable chunk of HP every turn in the rain. Another big selling point for Parasect is its access to a 100% accurate sleep move, Spore, which almost guarantees that Parasect will cripple an opposing threat. The Grass/Bug-typing may be fraught with weaknesses, but it also comes with some key resistances, most noticeably a 4x resistance to Ground. A Life Orb Rock Polish Groudon's Earthquake deals 25.39% maximum, barely a 3HKO even when you factor in Parasect losing HP in the sun. Furthermore, Parasect is 4HKOed by Choice Specs Kyogre's Thunder.</p>

<p>The use of this set is very simple. By coming in on one of Parasect's resistances, you get the chance to incapacitate an opposing Pokemon with Spore, and then possibly cripple another foe with Stun Spore. Seed Bomb and X-Scissor are both powerful STAB attacks that hit specific targets: X-Scissor hits the numerous Psychic-types and Darkrai super effectively, whereas Seed Bomb allows for a powerful hit on Groudon and Kyogre. Leftovers allows Parasect to heal 18.5% in the rain a turn, and only take 6.25% damage in the sun. It also turns many 2HKOs into 3HKOs with rain support.</p>

<p>The EVs allow for Parasect to 2HKO non bulky Darkrai, Latias and Latios with X-Scissor. With Seed Bomb, Parasect can 2HKO a standard Choice Kyogre and can 3HKO a max HP Groudon. In the last slot you have a choice of a team supporting move. With Aromatherapy, you can make Parasect a cleric for your team, and use it to heal burns inflicted by Giratina and wake up Pokemon that get put to sleep by Darkrai. If you want Parasect to perform better against Kyogre's Ice Beam or Dragon Pulses from Latias and Latios, then Light Screen is another viable option. It is recommended that you run at least one attack move on Parasect so it is not completely crippled by Taunt. Any combination of the moves can be used, though.</p>

<p>Other moves such as Protect, Synthesis and Grass Knot deserve some mention. Protect allows for scouting out Choice Pokemon with Protect but generally is a poor option as it wastes a turn in using it, when you could be doing something beneficial to your team. Synthesis is really only a good move to use when the sun is shining, but even then switching Parasect in to take damage along with Dry Skin sapping away a nice chunk of his HP is an uneasy thought. Grass Knot allows Parasect to hit the extremely heavy Uber Pokemon for some damage, but is generally a poor option, over his physical attacks due to Parasects low Special Attack stat. It is also recommended that you pair this set with a Rapid Spinner since Stealth Rock can greatly hamper Parasect's ability to switch in.</p>
 
No spaces before and after <p> and </p> tags. Also, Lati@s may be shorthand (you could just say Latios and Latias).

All I saw in a quick run through, very cool set ^_^
 
The Grass/Bug typing may be fraught with weaknesses, but it also comes with some key resistances, most noticeably a 4x resistance to Ground. Parasect is not 3HKOed by Choice Specs Kyogre's Thunder, and Groudon's Earthquake is only a 3HKO in the sun.
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the order of these sentences seem a bit odd. I would change it to:

"The Grass/Bug-typing may be fraught with weaknesses, but it also comes with some key resistances, most noticeably a 4x resistance to Ground. Groudon's Earthquake is only a 3HKO even when you factor in Parasect losing HP in the sun, and additionally, Parasect is 4HKOed by Choice Specs Kyogre's Thunder."

Can you also specify what kind of groudon? damage calcs are always good to include in analyses!

super-effectively
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should be written as two words, no hyphen.

Leftovers allows Parasect to heal 18% in the rain a turn, and only take 6% damage in the sun.
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if you're going to say this, you might as well be completely right. change 18% to 18.5% and 6% to 6.25%

The EVs allow for Parasect to 2HKO non bulky Darkrai and the Lati@s twins with X-Scissor. With Seed Bomb, Parasect can 2HKO a standard Specs or Scarf Kyogre and can 3HKO a max HP Groudon.
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i don't really like using lati@s in analyses. non bulky should be non-bulky. you can shorten 'specs or scarf' to simply 'choice'
 
A Life Orb Rock Polish Groudon's Earthquake deals 25.39% maxium, barely a 3HKO even when you factor in Parasect losing HP in the sun,
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So what? A Life Orb Stone Edge from Jolly Groudon is always going to 2HKO and you are obviously more screwed if its carrying Fire Punch or Overheat. I mean that's an impressive calc (the EQ one), but who cares when it can just 2HKO you with Stone Edge when your Seed Bomb will never even 2HKO minimum HP / minimum Defense Groudon.


additionally, Parasect is 4HKOed by Choice Specs Kyogre's Thunder. </p>
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Stealth Rock is so common in today's metagame that when doing defensive calcs you almost have to assume that Stealth Rock is in play. For that reason, I'd probably make a note that Kyogre does has a chance to 3HKO with Thunder if Stealth Rock is up (even accounting for Dry Skin + Leftovers).

<p>The EVs allow for Parasect to 2HKO non bulky Darkrai, Latias and Latios with X-Scissor. With Seed Bomb, Parasect can 2HKO a standard choice Kyogre and can 3HKO a max HP Groudon.
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first, heh "bulky Darkrai." However, this is another case like the Stealth Rock one I pointed out above. While the paper-calculations are interesting we do have to assume common battle conditions. If Groudon is running maximum HP it is either Choice Banded or Leftovers. While you are technically correct in your statement, you have to remember that most max HP Groudon will be holding Leftovers which actually does give it a slight chance to avoid the 3HKO from Seed Bomb. Just make a parenthetical note of it.

. With Aromathereapy, you can make Parasect a cleric for your team, and use it to heal burns inflicted by Giratina and wake up pokemon that get put to sleep by Darkrai. If you want Parasect to preform better against Kyogre's Ice Beam or Dragon Pulses from Latias and Latios, then Light Screen is another viable option.</p>
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This is something you'll be switching into Kyogre. Not the other way around so this reasoning behind Light Screen doesn't really make sense since you can't switch into Kyogre's or Lati@s Ice Beam or Dragon Pulses, respectively, period. And they aren't switching into you so Light Screen doesn't really make sense to me. Also, It doesn't take non-resisted hits well at all (in particular with the commonality of Stealth Rock) so I doubt I'm finding time to Aromatherapy (which you spelled incorrectly in this paragraph btw) or Light Screen. Why couldn't I run both Seed Bomb and X-Scissor?

Edit: After talking to Gen. I'm going to hold off my full criticism of this until I test it.

Now, setting my nitpicks with the analysis aside. I'm highly skeptical of this set. This, to me at least, appears to be an overspecialized set where you are trying to make it work in an environment where it really has no business working in - just for the sake of it. I haven't used this or played against it but I'm highly, highly skeptical of the efficacy of this set. I suppose it "can" work, but why in the world would you ever waste a team slot on it? It nearly relies on perfect prediction (which no one has). I see it filling a highly specialized role but overall the efficacy just isn't there. It really can't counter much of anything besides being able to switch into Water moves or Choice-locked EQs (which is rare in ubers) or Choice locked Thunders (which the only common one is really Kyogre). Coupled with the fact that this is Stealth Rock weak and it's not pretty. I'm just all around skeptical.

I either want to watch you play (i.e. stalk you on shoddy) with this or want to see some logs because at this point I just can't imagine this set being that useful in the long run. It really looks like this was made because you wanted to use Parasect in ubers, not because it Parasect is particularly effective there.
 
I do like to ask a few quesitons myself. Since you are a good Ubers player from what I've seen, I'm pretty sure you can answer these pretty easily.

My first question is concerning on the absence of Grass Knot. Now, I understand it's not taking down Kyogre if it's Calm Minding repeatedly, but it is doing more damage to Groudon at the very least than Seed Bomb would.

I agree with Caelum about being skeptical about some of these calculations. Most Groudon carry Stone Edge or even Fire Punch. Stealth Rock is down most of the time, taking 25% damage off of Parasect's HP. There is some light to this though: it counters RestTalk Kyogre well if Seed Bomb can nearly 2HKO Kyogre. But I'm unsure about this myself. There is one thing I am most skeptical on by far and that is probably Aromatherapy. All I ask is how many times have you used this? Status is somewhat common in Ubers (Blissey, Giratina, etc) but I'd feel pressured to find time to use it other than if I knew that the Kyogre I'm facing is a Choiced user and not locked onto Ice Beam. Light Screen is okay: it gives it some protection against Lati@s at least if you can Stun Spore it... though I'd probably use Seed Bomb and X-Scissor instead of either Light Screen or Aromatherapy.

Simply put: I agree with Caelum as far as questioning if this set should be added or not.
 
I've used this set quite a bit Colonel, and I can tell you that it is something that is extremely threatening. I'm sorry if the Calc's are a bit weird since this is my first time, I just figured they were their to show how powerful a pokemon is. Though if you predict Groudon switch in's taking a chunk of his HP out is nothing to scoff at. Light Screen is extremely useful to provide support to your team, since you may want to scout out his team before using any more attacks. Blissey is hardly seen, same came be said about Giratina (non origin) Status is terrible for most teams as a general case. Aromatherapy is an option if say your Kyogre was paralyzed unfortunatly, or something alone those lines.
 
As I said on Stark, I don't see what this set does that deserves a team slot for it over Celebi or Palkia. Now that it's in C&C though, I have to elaborate on my criticism! Here's a quick run-down comparing Parasect and Celebi:

Parasect
60/80/80 defenses
Exceedingly slow
Stealth Rock-weak
100% chance sleep move
75% paralysis move resisted by none
95 base attack/60 base special attack
STAB X-Scissor/Seed Bomb/Grass Knot
Aromatherapy/Light Screen (no Reflect)
Knock Off
Absorbs Water attacks
Heals for extra in rain
Loses health in sun

Celebi
100/100/100 defenses
100 base speed
Stealth-Rock neutral
50% instant recovery move - plenty of PP
Leech Seed
100% chance paralysis move - only common resist is Groudon
100 base offenses
STAB Grass Knot (50% more powerful than Seed Bomb on its primary targets)/Seed Bomb
Heal Bell/Reflect/Light Screen
Stealth Rock/U-turn/Trick
Can threaten Scizor with HP Fire
Weak to Ghost/Dark-type moves
Resists Fighting (lol)

Celebi has more freedom in its EVs distribution as well. Even with no EVs given out, its defenses are already superior to an EVed Parasect's. Celebi has the freedom to run more speed to outrun slower threats (as a miscellaneous note, most max out their defenses, but that's not really relevant here). Celebi can only survive two max power Water Spouts after SR damage by running max/+max. Speedier Celebis can Recover off the damage.

If the set is added to the analysis, you might want to mention that it would be to your benefit to run Kyogre alongside Parasect. If your opponent isn't running a Kyogre of his own but is running Groudon, you will not survive for long.

Also, have you tested Knock Off? It's one of the few options Parasect has that Celebi doesn't.

I'll think about it some more. It's not completely implausible, but those defenses and its weaknesses are very unfavorable.
 
You are allowed to criticize a set (and I encourage it if you feel something is bad / not viable / could be better etc) but your criticism is completely nonsensical. It seems like you are arguing against this set because "Celebi can do it better." Being outclassed by another Pokemon is a valid criticism, but you seem to be suggesting that Celebi outclasses this set when that just isn't the case.

Celebi can't come into a Choice Specs Water Spout (if it's faster which is has to be to weaken the Water Spout you are upwards of 75% damage - not fun at all). Celebi doesn't have Spore. Celebi doesn't have STAB X-Scissor. Your criticism just doesn't make any sense.

I'm not even fully decided on this set, but my hesitation is not because something outclasses it.
 
I don't think this is specific enough for an ubers analysis, since it's basically just Double Powder with a lot of support options and a unique EV spread that can be listed in other options.

Knock Off needs to be an option, because Lati@s like to come into this thing and combined with Seed Bomb can hit a lot of ubers hard somewhere.
 
move 3: Seed Bomb / X-Scissor / Aromatherapy / Light Screen
move 4: Seed Bomb / X-Scissor / Aromatherapy / Light Screen

uhh slashitis much?

just change it to something like
move 3: Seed Bomb / Light Screen
move 4: X-Scissor / Aromatherapy

and mention in the comments that any combination of the moves in the last two slots works.
 
heh. I think he misunderstood what I said. I wanted this

move 3: X-Scissor / Seed Bomb
move 4: Aromatherapy / Light Screen / X-Scissor.
 
Caelum said:
heh. I think he misunderstood what I said. I wanted this

move 3: X-Scissor / Seed Bomb
move 4: Aromatherapy / Light Screen / X-Scissor.
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Fixed, actually Colonel M told me to fix it up like that. But thank you for clearing everything up, Caelum.

EDIT:
I don't find Knock Off to be all that helpful after testing it. He really won't knock off anything of importance (besides a Focus Sash, and the occasional Soul Dew). It didn't seem worth it to me.
 
Grass and fighting are rarely seen in Ubers (though fighting might be seen a bit). Fighting isn't usually the best option when playing. If I have a Palkia with Aura Sphere and Surf, and rain is going, 9 times out of 10 Surf is going to be the better option. Then it comes into, well if the opponent has a Dialga on his team, why not use Aura Sphere then? Well Dialga is going to be hit harder by STAB Spacial Rend, than by a SE Aura Sphere. So switching into fighting attacks will rarely happen. Also Grass Knot has almost vanished now, I've only seen one pokemon with Grass Knot in the past two months.
 
<p>Parasect is coming out of the UU tier to join in the fun of the Uber environment. The biggest advantage Parasect has in Ubers is its ability, Dry Skin. Dry Skin not only makes Parasect immune to Water attacks, but they actually replenish its health. Parasect will also recover a sizable chunk of HP every turn in the rain. Another big selling point for Parasect is its 100% accurate sleep move, Spore, which almost guarantees that Parasect will cripple an opposing threat.
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A quick catch, only refer to a Pokemon in one state, not alternating between he and it.

(I actually meant for you to post this in the Analysis Workshop, but whatever.)
 
Katherine said:
A quick catch, only refer to a Pokemon in one state, not alternating between he and it.

(I actually meant for you to post this in the Analysis Workshop, but whatever.)
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Thanks.

Oh, it was in the workshop, but then Darkie moved it here (or I think Darkie did anyway.)
 
Would Protect work? Scouts Choice, provides 18.75% heal in 1 turn.

Additionally, if you use Protect, you could opt for Insect Plate, or a different item, as Parasect would heal 25% between attack rather than 18.5% between attacks. (Between attacks means turns before/after Protect). With this, more EVs can be taken out of Attack, or change the nature, and put into something else for even better durability.

This works well for a: Spore/Stun Spore/X-Scissor/Protect set.
 
Gen. Empoleon said:
Current analysis: http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/parasect

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name: UberSect
move 1: Spore
move 2: Stun Spore
move 3: X-Scissor / Seed Bomb
move 4: Aromatherapy / Light Screen / X-Scissor
item: Leftovers
ability: Dry Skin
nature: Adamant
evs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 96 Def / 156 SpD

<p>Parasect is coming out of the UU tier to join in the fun of the Uber environment. The biggest advantage Parasect has in Ubers is its ability, Dry Skin. Dry Skin not only makes Parasect immune to Water attacks, but they actually replenish its health. Parasect will also recover a sizable chunk of HP every turn in the rain. Another big selling point for Parasect is its 100% accurate sleep move, Spore, which almost guarantees that Parasect will cripple an opposing threat. The Grass/Bug-typing may be fraught with weaknesses, but it also comes with some key resistances, most noticeably a 4x resistance to Ground. A Life Orb Rock Polish Groudon's Earthquake deals 25.39% maximum, barely a 3HKO even when you factor in Parasect losing HP in the sun, and additionally, Parasect is 4HKOed by Choice Specs Kyogre's Thunder. </p>

<p>The use of this set is very simple. By coming in on one of Parasect's resistances, you get the chance to incapacitate an opposing Pokemon with Spore, and then possibly cripple another foe with Stun Spore. Seed Bomb and X-Scissor are both powerful STAB attacks that hit specific targets: (omitted dash, added colon) X-Scissor hits the numerous Psychic-types and Darkrai super effectively, whereas Seed Bomb allows for a powerful hit on Groudon and Kyogre. Leftovers allows Parasect to heal 18.5% in the rain a turn, and only take 6.25% damage in the sun. It also turns many 2HKOs into 3HKOs with rain support.</p>

<p>The EVs allow for Parasect to 2HKO non bulky Darkrai, Latias and Latios with X-Scissor. With Seed Bomb, Parasect can 2HKO a standard Choice Kyogre and can 3HKO a max HP Groudon. In the last slot you have a choice of a team supporting move. With Aromatherapy, you can make Parasect a cleric for your team, and use it to heal burns inflicted by Giratina and wake up Pokemon that get put to sleep by Darkrai. If you want Parasect to perform better against Kyogre's Ice Beam or Dragon Pulses from Latias and Latios, then Light Screen is another viable option. It is recommended that you run at least one attack move on Parasect so it is not completely crippled by Taunt. Any combination of the moves can be used, though.</p>
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Grammar fixes. Also

A Life Orb Rock Polish Groudon's Earthquake deals 25.39% maximum, barely a 3HKO even when you factor in Parasect losing HP in the sun, and additionally, Parasect is 4HKOed by Choice Specs Kyogre's Thunder.
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The "and additionally" bit sounds awkward, so I suggest changing it to

A Life Orb Rock Polish Groudon's Earthquake deals 25.39% maximum, barely a 3HKO even when you factor in Parasect losing HP in the sun. Furthermore, Parasect is 4HKOed by Choice Specs Kyogre's Thunder.
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Never used Parasect, interesting idea.

Would Synthesis be an option on the last slot? The two most common weathers are Rain and Sun, with a little Sandstorm here and there. TTar isn't really common as far as I know, and you heal extra in Rain. But rather than letting the Sun eat up all your health, why not have Synthesis as an option to restore HP during the Sun? 60% healing isn't so bad.
 
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