All Gens Past Gens Research Thread

[Hydrametr0nice]

Question for Gen 4 only: In a doubles battle, if a Pokémon uses a spread move and the move is going to miss the slowest target, what happens first?

• The fastest target takes damage
• The miss message for the slowest target appears

 

[oopsgtg]

Question for Gen 4 only: In a doubles battle, if a Pokémon uses a spread move and the move is going to miss the slowest target, what happens first?

• The fastest target takes damage
• The miss message for the slowest target appears

Yes the fastest target will take damage, secondary effects will occur and then the miss message will appear (see 5:30 on the first test listed in the spoiler). I decided to look into exactly which messages will appear during an attack, here is the order from my tests.

Order of messages, message only appears if applicable

• Use move
  • Fastest target
• Attack Miss
• (Move Animation)
• Type resist berry (Charti, Chilan, Chople etc)
• (Damage is dealt)
• Critical Hit
• Anger Point
• Endure
• Super Effective/Not Very Effective
• Secondary Effects
• Ability Activations
• Rowap/Jaboca/Enigma Berry
• Target faints
• Target thaws (hit by Fire Type move)
  • Next fastest target
• Attack Miss
• Type resist berry (Charti, Chilan, Chople etc)
• (Damage is dealt)
• Critical Hit
• Anger Point
• Endure
• Super Effective/Not Very Effective
• Secondary Effects
• Ability Activations
• Rowap/Jaboca/Enigma Berry
• Target faints
• Target thaws (hit by Fire Type move)
  • Next fastest target
• …
  • All targets have been hit
• Life Orb/Shell Bell (Shell Bell sums all damage dealt, so it does not round for each target)

Tests

 

[Hydrametr0nice]

Yes the fastest target will take damage, secondary effects will occur and then the miss message will appear (see 5:30 on the first test listed in the spoiler). I decided to look into exactly which messages will appear during an attack, here is the order from my tests.

Order of messages, message only appears if applicable

• Use move
  • Fastest target
• Attack Miss
• (Move Animation)
• Type resist berry (Charti, Chilan, Chople etc)
• (Damage is dealt)
• Critical Hit
• Anger Point
• Endure
• Super Effective/Not Very Effective
• Secondary Effects
• Ability Activations
• Rowap/Jaboca/Enigma Berry
• Target faints
• Target thaws (hit by Fire Type move)
  • Next fastest target
• Attack Miss
• Type resist berry (Charti, Chilan, Chople etc)
• (Damage is dealt)
• Critical Hit
• Anger Point
• Endure
• Super Effective/Not Very Effective
• Secondary Effects
• Ability Activations
• Rowap/Jaboca/Enigma Berry
• Target faints
• Target thaws (hit by Fire Type move)
  • Next fastest target
• …
  • All targets have been hit
• Life Orb/Shell Bell (Shell Bell sums all damage dealt, so it does not round for each target)

Tests

I thought this might be the case, since the damage is calculated separately, including the spread damage multiplier. I'll update my existing PR. Thanks!

Edit: the PR in question, already implemented it! https://github.com/smogon/pokemon-showdown/pull/11180

 

[Hydrametr0nice]

DaWoblefet gave me an idea to confirm that our implementation of Aromatherapy and Heal Bell in Gen 6+ is incorrect. I tested this in SM, and Electrify + Aromatherapy should trigger an ally’s Volt Absorb, healing the Pokémon but not curing its status.

Gen 5 is unknown territory. If anyone has ideas on how to test Heal Bell/Aromatherapy immunities in Gen 5—besides the well-known Soundproof and Sap Sipper immunities—feel free to share!

Edit: I need some time to finish the implementation. I'll add it here when it's ready. https://github.com/smogon/pokemon-showdown/pull/11787

 

[sumwun]

Has it ever been possible to generate a Pokemon with 655 physical or special attack? If yes, what would happen if that Pokemon tries to use an attack move? Would the attack stat overflow? How much damage would it do?

Edit: Has it ever been possible to generate a Pokemon with negative level or stats or a move with negative base power? If yes, what would happen if that Pokemon tries to use an attack move?

 

[Hydrametr0nice]

• Turn 1: Empoleon uses Pursuit. The rest of the Pokémon do nothing (Splash or Sleep Talk).
• Turn 2: Empoleon selects a move other than Pursuit. Deoxys uses Encore on Empoleon, which forces it to use Pursuit. Infernape uses U-turn and attempts to switch out. Does the Encored Pursuit activate?

In Gen 4, the Encored Pursuit will activate. In Gen 7, the Encored Pursuit does not activate.

I don't know why I didn't ask about Gen 3 (I probably assumed it was the same as Gen 4). But the interaction might be different, since Pursuit only activates on the selected target. So there could be different interactions depending on which target is selected by the second move (including a self-targeting move).