Pet Mods Premier League III [COMMENCEMENT THREAD]

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I made a Google form here asking about what players experience for PMPL 3, if their predictions for the tour came true, if the metagame they thought would have their Z-Moves / Baton Pass moment this year was Megas For All and more! Please check out the survey and answer to the best of your ability!

https://forms.gle/XHv1pyzosw1M1Pya6
 
https://forms.gle/x2LNAbRmTAnqH1GP6 if you were involved with M4A during this most recent PMPL it would be appreciated if you could fill out this form! I know the bugs have been a huge issue but please refrain from saying anything about them as they obviously aren't an intended part of the metagame.
hidin TPP Tempo di anguria Smudge Runo dex it would also be greatly appreciated if you could send this to whoever helped you with building/testing for the tier.
 
I did the survey but my experience is hella tainted by the bugs to the point where it's kinda difficult to not talk about them.

I slotted into the tier because I was kinda bored of the Ursaluna-Bloodmoon trolling in Multiverse and week later I discovered by accident that all of Sleep Clause, Evasion Clause, and OHKO clause got removed for some reason and I even looked in the github on what had happened, not some freak glitch it was just that the clauses were just mistakenly taken off while adding something. I'm not even sure how something insanely important to maintaining a competitive environment ends up being overlooked by a coder. The only reason this didn't turn into a massive deal was because my manager all but forced me not to load my Sleep Tang + SubGuillotine Gliscor in order to save it for finals. To which another team also found out and sat on the information too (saving it for playoffs as well), got elim'd from playoffs and blew the whistle.

That was colossal disaster #1 nearly avoided so I think its pertinent to also discuss colossal disaster #2 with Baton Pass being legal in finals. I seem to have trouble remembering but I swear Baton Pass was banned in the earlier weeks. Will probably edit this para if someone sheds some light on this (ergo it was banned but than got unbanned, or it was never supposed to be banned to begin with smth like that) but for now some benefit of the doubt will be given and we'll just say that it was legal all tour and nobody realized just like colossal disaster #1. Anyways that having a massive impact on finals (compounded by other issues, re: 3rd paragraph) is pretty insane, like how does nobody coder/tester/or PL player check to see if its actually legal or not. All power to dex's team for finally solving the mystery but the fact that there was uncertainty to begin with (hey guys were is the documentation that Baton Pass is supposed to be banned because I sure as hell couldn't find it) is mind-boggling when literally testing the format (or at the very least having the coders check their work better or smth) could've prevented this. dex bro you shouldn't have been punished for bringing BP. That is their fuck up alone, not yours.

Coding mistakes happen and I can sympathize with that. But what I can't give the benefit of the doubt to is the buggy or downright unusable (but simultaneously available) mechanics that seem to be in the format because it makes the options in the builder misleading at best and literally game breaking at worst. Two that are stuck in my head right now is the Electrode ability glitch (it straight up didn't work and turned into No Ability) and the Acidic Seed or w/e you call it glitch. If they don't work properly them just don't include them in the teambuilder surely. And then referring to what dex said, this never should've happened if the coders/mainers tested their teams better (or at all?)

This feels kinda like rambling so all of this just to say, these types of mistakes shouldn't be happening for a custom avatar awarding team tour on its 3rd edition. The 1st tour sure, maybe I guess. But if there are major coding mistakes like this years later than that probably says a lot about the competitiveness of this format, tour, and probably the section as a whole (m4a wasn't the only tier with issues). Like the fact that there were running predictions on which metagames will have fucked up coding errors is appalling.

Won't go into the actual tier health/balance because that is irrelevant to the point. Although I think it says a lot when some of the best advice I got for this metagame was to just use the standard mega evos like Mlatias over the m4a megas.
 
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gm its Big MG1 here with another mg1 post- wait this ISNT an mg1 post what the fuck are you in the right universe? Well yes because if there's one thing I love more than mg1 its hating. This PMPL has been a very dissapointing experience for me across the board with mediocre to bad tier choices, lack of resources, absolutely terrible coding and no playtesting with basically every single tier in the tour. This is absolutely the worst PMPL to date although I didn't really participate in PMPL2 much.

Megas 4 All
I didn't participate in this tier much but holy shit I did not get a good impression from the very little I witnessed. Between literally no banlist in sight and being able to load fucking Mega Salamence, Mega Gengar, and Baton Pass in the finals of the biggest tour of the year combined with a game crashing just for clicking the mega button I have no clue how this is the biggest petmod of all time. We even REPORTED the legality issues two weeks before and they weren't fixed. While coding errors are to be expected, there should be a bare minimum requirement for testing before the biggest tour of the year and clearly this was below that requirement.

Hoenn Gaiden, Fusion Evolution
Didn't play these, team didn't seem to like FE much but HG seemed fine. Didn't have any big negative things happen this tour so they're probably the best tiers. They both have a thread issue I'll touch on later though.

Fakemon Frontier
While this tier was free from bugs and I played it and did quite well, it's just not a very good tier. It's insanely matchup fishy with super strong, fast offensive threats with little to no counterplay besides 1 or 2 mons each which means you can just auto lose if you don't bring a dedicated counter. Look at me vs zxgzxg in semifinals, zxg loaded an insta lose to Thermollusk team which is near impossible to avoid because OVER HALF of the Pokemon are weak to Ice or Fire and of the remaining ones most are frail.There's very little way to fit natural defensive counterplay to mons on your team and if you don't you are getting steamrolled because theyre all like 115+ speed. Every mon has insane as balls coverage like Normal/Fighting/Fire (load the 2 viable ghosts or lose) combined with boosting abilities like Reckless or Protean. This tier just wasnt that fun to build and it felt like every game was just decided turn 0 on matchup. Still top 3 tiers of the fucking tournament somehow lmao. Atleast the council might fix this tier unlike the last 3 I'll talk about.

Megas Revisited
Another tier with bugs, double hitting Seismic Toss MKang was allowed all the way up into Daves vs Furrets tiebreak..... does no one test any of these tiers what the fuck. Didn't interact much besides this one thing so can't say anything else.

Multiverse
Actually one of the better tiers somehow despite it being objectively terrible. The things that got allowed in this mon are insane and it does not suprise me who the council consists of lol. Slate 1 had fucking Sleep Powder NGas Boltbeam mon and they decided to buff it with NP later.... Ends up being an extremely top heavy tier with insane mons at the top and a ton of useless garbage elsewhere. Gengar and Lycanroc are the two most broken mons I've ever seen in PMPL and this tier has had absolutely 0 playtesting before this tour and it also has mediocre resources to boot. Can we please not let garbage tiers into an important tour every single year please what the fuck. Also Im gonna call out loser G-Luke specifically for acting like I should have read post #738298 instead of just reading the ability description on Lunar Gift and then when I said that it working at only full HP isn't what the description said I got insulted. But ofc I win in the end by not making the two worst tiers in the PL and getting the dominate this tier with TDNT lmao. Oh and it also didn't have Lunar Gift working properly for a singular week this tour and we got to load infinite all moves resistance during week 2 on accident... again, tier with absolutely no playtesting and the abil should have just been banned at some point.

Vaporemons
Didn't interact with this pretty much at all, will say this tier has terrible resources just like every other tier in this tour. There's absolutely no banlist stated anywhere and they've banned/unbanned mons randomly(?) without listing it. Raging Bolt is banned and even after informing them of the mistake it's still not listed anywhere. This tier also just looks horrible to play and very unbalanced in general.

Teramax
It's like SV OU but with a random micrometa dex and also the council member has literally stated it's not meant to be a competitive tier LOL. It, of fucking course, has next to zero playtesting combined with just having almost base tera and a seemingly not balanced very well altered dynamax mechanic. Everyone on my team has shit on it constantly and I can't even bring myself to play it and also its lead by gross user G-Luke.

Overall Opinions/Suggestions
Did I have fun? Yes, only because my team was very cool. The tiers themself were terrible to play and I hope pretty much all of them are gone for PMPL4. Next PMPL, put tiers in which have had like even a tiny little bit of playtesting and do the bare minimum and make sure they're coded properly and that the resources... exist. There's no excuse for not having at least a proper banlist lmao. No one is obligated to code but the fact that Multiverse had a bugged ability for 8 weeks during a major tour and no one fixed it is insanely silly and at the minimum it should have been banned. The horrid state of this tour does not reflect on the community very well and I know everyone can do better than bugged unplayed tiers with no effort put into resources so I'd like to see that next year. Shoutout to HG for being the best tier even though I hated it.

One of the biggest gripes I have with the "resources" these tiers have is that a good portion of the first posts on the thread is dedicated to submissions which is.... completely useless because all these mods are over. Useless info should not be one of the first things you see when you open a thread looking for resources and its a problem every single one of these tiers has. It truly feels like people just don't expect people to actually play these tiers and the entire focus is just on submitting stuff and when submissions stop everyone just gives up on the tier.

Multiverse probably has one of the worst spreadsheets Ive ever seen btw with the movepool changes section being useless because every mons movepool is based off a different gen. Could get a Gen 5 Whimsicott sub which uses its Gen 7 movepool and like... who the fuck knows the movepool of every mon in every gen. There's really no rhyme or reason to which gen the movepools are based off of since the person who made the sheet just ported it from the submissions so it ends up being really bad to read.

Shoutout to the absolutely insane host decision of giving the win to hidin in finals???? That's just straight up rigging the tour and it makes absolutely zero sense. Does not give a good look either when you go back on your decision instantly. Insane how that entire thing could have been avoided if petmodders knew how to spend 15 minutes making a banlist.

I love the slugmas SPEAKING OF SLUGMAS

teamo Quinn thank you for being epic managers and thank you teamo for testing with me

TDNT thank you for dominating multiversus with me

dex goldmason Baddy Nashrock Zpice NecasInTrouble tier seth thank you for playing the other bad tiers and saving me from having to build even more

Zcarlett thanks for being moral support

Noglastica broken zapdos

For unknown reasons I will now say racism is bad and that racists are bad people.

You may think I am being very harsh to alot of mods/tier leaders/etc whatever and thats because I am. If my signup is expected to bring 8 weeks of constant activity then I am expecting the people in charge of the tournament or the mods in the tournament to also put in effort and make sure everything is running smoothly. Putting in hours and hours of time into a petmod that has little effort put into it and will never see play or make changes post PMPL and then not being able to criticize this tiers when it gives a pretty horrible experience would be unfair and quite rude to the players.

This will almost certainly the last PMPL for both me and most of the Slugmas so I had fun with the non-racists of you while it lasted. Hope I'll see most of you in the prestigious unbugged uncorrupt SoloPL2 (this time with 100% less MG3) though!
 
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Vaporemons
Didn't interact with this pretty much at all, will say this tier has terrible resources just like every other tier in this tour. There's absolutely no banlist stated anywhere and they've banned/unbanned mons randomly(?) without listing it. Raging Bolt is banned and even after informing them of the mistake it's still not listed anywhere. This tier also just looks horrible to play and very unbalanced in general.
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"There's absolutely no banlist stated anywhere and they've banned/unbanned mons randomly(?) without listing it"

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...XXzZ5IJZkj4c/edit?gid=934277877#gid=934277877 <- raging bolt one of the mons stated to be banned alongside inteleon, light clay, and damp rock that arent banned from vanilla ou

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/vaporemons-randbats-set-submissions-open.3722917/post-10161351 <- raging bolt banned here

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<- raging bolt banned in builder
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<- raging bolt denied from being brought into a battle

Yeah ok.. its not like its such an issue, its banned on builder, banned on validation, and also you cannot bring it to a game ... im not sure what the issue is tbh

If its so unbalanced then vote on the form. like the others are doing as well, community input is important so voice ur opinion here https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1...u7WOSqnZDPpikFxcJyitZMHg/viewform?usp=sf_link
 
hoenn gaiden is awful and encapsulates everything I hate about pet mods: there are simply way too many fucking Pokémon in this god forsaken format. stop adding shit that doesn’t need to be added. stop changing shit that doesn’t need to be changed. you scroll down to the unranked section of the builder and there’s like 70 guys who have never been brought to a game but have a BST of like 530 and some really good moves and it’s like ok I guess I’m just gonna have to think about this thing now. Alcremie incineroar eelektross tropius Glaceon komala lanturn alolan marowak randomly buffed slow twins there’s genuinely just too MUCH stuff. If these metagames want to be not only fun, but reasonable and developed, stop adding shit and playtest more. goldmason approves this message

Anyway ty for retaining me managers sorry I suck ass Monai always fun to build terrible metagames with you homie
 
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hoenn gaiden is awful and encapsulates everything I hate about pet mods: there are simply way too many fucking Pokémon in this god forsaken format. stop adding shit that doesn’t need to be added. stop changing shit that doesn’t need to be changed. you scroll down to the unranked section of the builder and there’s like 70 guys who have never been brought to a game but have a BST of like 530 and some really good moves and it’s like ok I guess I’m just gonna have to think about this thing now. Alcremie incineroar eelektross tropius Glaceon komala lanturn alolan marowak randomly buffed slow twins there’s genuinely just too MUCH stuff. If these metagames want to be not only fun, but reasonable and developed, stop adding shit and playtest more. goldmason approves this message

Anyway ty for retaining me managers sorry I suck ass Monai always fun to build terrible metagames with you homie
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