Reserving Exeggcute as its the only Pokemon who hasn't got a current analysis, as I'm ending QC with Wynaut.
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[PLEASE READ THIS THREAD BEFORE POSTING] LC Analysis Reservation Thread [PLEASE, PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING]
- Thread starter Corporal Levi
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So a long time ago, or well like half a year but still, I made this post
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/xy-lc-analysis-reservation-index.3509147/page-25#post-7006612
Back then, I was new and just wanted to write an analyses for Whismur, which I genuinely believed had a niche. Except I had forgotten Porygon existed, which made Whismur completely irrelevant, as even its best role, Trick Room attacker, was done much better by Porygon due to access to Trick Room, much better bulk and power, similar coverage, better abilities, etc. Now however, Porygon is banned, so for a 0.5k post, I'm just going to try again, hoping that people now knowing me helps me.
While Trick Room teams are definitely not the best teams due to the very short duration, Whismur does have a notable niche on them thanks to its incredible coverage, with moves like Fire Blast, Ice Beam, and Shadow Ball on the special side, and Hammer Arm, Zen Headbutt, and the elemental punches on the physical side, as well as access to STAB Hyper Voice to pass through Substitute. The combination of this with just enough power to hit most things fairly hard allows it to be a pretty good revenge killer or even wallbreaker on these Trick Room teams. Some calcs to showcase:
The set I'd likely use would be a Life Orb set with Double-Edge | Hyper Voice / Fire Blast | Ice Beam / Hammer Arm | Zen Headbutt | Ice Beam / Shadow Ball with an EV spread of 84 HP / 188 Atk / 12 Def / 188 SpA / 12 SpD with a Quiet nature to maximize Whismur's power on both sides and its bulk is abysmal anyways. Quiet > Brave because Whismur doesn't need a boosting nature in Attack to achieve its KOes but it does need it in Special Attack.
Of course Whismur is by no means a good Pokemon. A combination of low Speed, low power, and low bulk is never nice, as it makes Whismur overreliant on Trick Room, which it can't set up itself, and on low accuracy-high power moves like Fire Blast. However I think its niche on Trick Room set means it deserves recognition.
Now go tear me to shreds.
Nah, Whismur sucks - levi
Oh come one that's just not fun - Xayah
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/xy-lc-analysis-reservation-index.3509147/page-25#post-7006612
Back then, I was new and just wanted to write an analyses for Whismur, which I genuinely believed had a niche. Except I had forgotten Porygon existed, which made Whismur completely irrelevant, as even its best role, Trick Room attacker, was done much better by Porygon due to access to Trick Room, much better bulk and power, similar coverage, better abilities, etc. Now however, Porygon is banned, so for a 0.5k post, I'm just going to try again, hoping that people now knowing me helps me.
While Trick Room teams are definitely not the best teams due to the very short duration, Whismur does have a notable niche on them thanks to its incredible coverage, with moves like Fire Blast, Ice Beam, and Shadow Ball on the special side, and Hammer Arm, Zen Headbutt, and the elemental punches on the physical side, as well as access to STAB Hyper Voice to pass through Substitute. The combination of this with just enough power to hit most things fairly hard allows it to be a pretty good revenge killer or even wallbreaker on these Trick Room teams. Some calcs to showcase:
188+ SpA Life Orb Whismur Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 196 SpD Eviolite Mienfoo: 9-13 (42.8 - 61.9%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO
188+ SpA Life Orb Whismur Fire Blast vs. 204 HP / 236+ SpD Eviolite Pumpkaboo-Super: 13-18 (52 - 72%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
188+ SpA Life Orb Whismur Ice Beam vs. 76 HP / 0 SpD Onix: 23-29 (109.5 - 138%) -- guaranteed OHKO
188+ SpA Life Orb Whismur Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 80 SpD Gastly: 21-26 (110.5 - 136.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
188+ SpA Life Orb Whismur Shadow Ball vs. 236 HP / 76 SpD Eviolite Frillish: 13-16 (52 - 64%) -- guaranteed 2HK
188+ SpA Life Orb Whismur Fire Blast vs. 204 HP / 236+ SpD Eviolite Pumpkaboo-Super: 13-18 (52 - 72%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
188+ SpA Life Orb Whismur Ice Beam vs. 76 HP / 0 SpD Onix: 23-29 (109.5 - 138%) -- guaranteed OHKO
188+ SpA Life Orb Whismur Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 80 SpD Gastly: 21-26 (110.5 - 136.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
188+ SpA Life Orb Whismur Shadow Ball vs. 236 HP / 76 SpD Eviolite Frillish: 13-16 (52 - 64%) -- guaranteed 2HK
188 Atk Life Orb Whismur Double-Edge vs. 0 HP / 196 Def Eviolite Mienfoo: 12-16 (57.1 - 76.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
188 Atk Life Orb Whismur Double-Edge vs. 0 HP / 156 Def Eviolite Timburr: 12-16 (50 - 66.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
188 Atk Life Orb Whismur Zen Headbutt vs. 132 HP / 116 Def Eviolite Croagunk: 26-31 (113 - 134.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
188 Atk Life Orb Whismur Hammer Arm vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Magnemite: 21-26 (110.5 - 136.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
188 Atk Life Orb Whismur Thunder Punch vs. 0 HP / 156 Def Eviolite Staryu: 13-16 (68.4 - 84.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
188 Atk Life Orb Whismur Double-Edge vs. 0 HP / 156 Def Eviolite Timburr: 12-16 (50 - 66.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
188 Atk Life Orb Whismur Zen Headbutt vs. 132 HP / 116 Def Eviolite Croagunk: 26-31 (113 - 134.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
188 Atk Life Orb Whismur Hammer Arm vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Magnemite: 21-26 (110.5 - 136.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
188 Atk Life Orb Whismur Thunder Punch vs. 0 HP / 156 Def Eviolite Staryu: 13-16 (68.4 - 84.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
The set I'd likely use would be a Life Orb set with Double-Edge | Hyper Voice / Fire Blast | Ice Beam / Hammer Arm | Zen Headbutt | Ice Beam / Shadow Ball with an EV spread of 84 HP / 188 Atk / 12 Def / 188 SpA / 12 SpD with a Quiet nature to maximize Whismur's power on both sides and its bulk is abysmal anyways. Quiet > Brave because Whismur doesn't need a boosting nature in Attack to achieve its KOes but it does need it in Special Attack.
Of course Whismur is by no means a good Pokemon. A combination of low Speed, low power, and low bulk is never nice, as it makes Whismur overreliant on Trick Room, which it can't set up itself, and on low accuracy-high power moves like Fire Blast. However I think its niche on Trick Room set means it deserves recognition.
Now go tear me to shreds.
Nah, Whismur sucks - levi
Oh come one that's just not fun - Xayah
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sam-testings
What a beautiful face, I have found in this place
[1:44 PM] O_P: @[the best] sam-anhedonia wanna do koffing
[1:46 PM] [the best] sam-anhedonia: yeah sure i'll take koffing
[1:46 PM] [the best] sam-anhedonia: yeah sure i'll take koffing
Taking this over due to an inactive writer, Levi approved over Discord. Old analysis:
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/wingull-qc-0-3-outline-completed.3603769/
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/wingull-qc-0-3-outline-completed.3603769/
Temperley
Banned deucer.
With permission from OP, taking over this analysis: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/trubbish.3601056/ :)
Taking Scarf Snivy and Trubbish, both approved by Levi
sam-testings
What a beautiful face, I have found in this place
[12:11 PM] sam-testings: or can i just take growlithe, the dude hasnt been on since beggining of june
[12:11 PM] sam-testings: er july
[12:15 PM] OP: ya you can take that over
wee
[12:11 PM] sam-testings: er july
[12:15 PM] OP: ya you can take that over
wee
These can be taken over as the writers are extremely inactive
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/shelmet-qc-1-3.3601603/ - taken by Elec.
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/deerling-qc-1-3.3592417/ - taken by Drew
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/snivy-z-wring-out-2-3.3602081/ - - Tahu updated
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/stufful-qc-1-3.3600811/ - taken by Gummy
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http://www.smogon.com/forums/thread...ysis-reservation-thread.3589503/#post-7132811
The reservation index has been updated
The reservation index has been updated
Hey, I want to reserve Magikarp. I know he's shit and all, but I know how Magikarp works.
Sorry, we're not going to be giving Magikarp an analysis for the foreseeable future, it just has no competitive niche.
As a sidenote, Growlithe is up for grabs as sam has decided to drop it.
growlithe please!
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I would like to do squirtle please.
Squirtle isn't considered viable enough to get an analysis at the moment, so I'm going to have to reject this. If you think you have a set that gives it a viable niche, you can send me a message with the set, but if such a set existed, OP probably would have already discovered it.
I started a conversation with you.
i'm not terribly active, nor am i a veteran, but i'd like to try writing an analysis for togepi pls.
rattata is outclassed by many other pokemon in the tier, such as normal types like aipom, bunnelby, meowth, so it probably wont get an analysis.
hilomilo is already writing togepi up, sry
Three major analyses are available to be written:
We will start pushing through smaller changes (Defog on Snivy, Tail Slap on Aipom) through direct dex edits, but if don't have CMS access and see a change that should be made, please let OP or I know through Smogon or Discord PM.
- Dewpider (The whole analysis should be rewritten)
- Spritzee (NP + 3 Attacks only)
- Ponyta (Firium Z Physically Offensive)
We will start pushing through smaller changes (Defog on Snivy, Tail Slap on Aipom) through direct dex edits, but if don't have CMS access and see a change that should be made, please let OP or I know through Smogon or Discord PM.