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QuentinQuonce said:
Relevant to the discussion the other day about putting candy into Pokemon... reading a discussion on r/SilphRoad earlier about what to use Rare Candy XLs on and people were like "you've got to put them into mythicals, I would never use one on something raidable".

...which makes me want to know, how much XL candy are these people getting from their raids exactly???? I did the Kyogre raid evemt today; only caught 5/8 of the damn things because the game's become laggy as hell since the new catch background was brought in, which increased my Kyogre XL candy by a grand total of... 18. Not what you'd call terribly impressive. What about Rare Candy XL, though? My eight raids gave me... 2 of them.
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Should note if you did those in person that's 3 for the win plus any for the captures. It was one of Niantic's attempts to incentivize in-person raiding when they increased remote prices.

The logic I think is that Rare XL's take so many damn raids to accumulate a useable quantity that you would get most of the XL you need for a Raidable legendary by winning said raids before the Rares made a significant difference to them. It's kind of Megaelixir syndrome to then save them for the Mythicals simply because it's a justification to never really use them in case a better use case comes along after that.

R_N said:
re: XL candy, I'm guessing that its burning through a bunch of *normal* rare candies and then dumping those into the XL transfer

People who go hard on raids are a different breed of weirdos
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Possible but at a 100-1 rate I wonder if that'd be faster or not even with stuff like Tanking to farm them off PvP
 
It took over a year, but I finally finished the jirachi masterworks research. The last stretch was tough because I was constantly running low on pokeballs and only able to restock every few days. At one point in an attempt to make bag space I accidentally threw out 200 charge tms. :(

Jirachi got to spend the day as a buddy before getting transferred to HOME so I can take it for a spin in SV later.

Now hopefully the Sinnoh masterworks research is not as terrible...
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RocketSurgery said:
It took over a year, but I finally finished the jirachi masterworks research. The last stretch was tough because I was constantly running low on pokeballs and only able to restock every few days. At one point in an attempt to make bag space I accidentally threw out 200 charge tms. :(

Jirachi got to spend the day as a buddy before getting transferred to HOME so I can take it for a spin in SV later.

Now hopefully the Sinnoh masterworks research is not as terrible...
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From how it sounds, the shiny shaymin research is mostly just tedious and mostly based around time gates

Step 1 is probably the worst, 492 catches for each generation 1-4.
Step 2 in comparison is just some time gates. Catch 20 grass types, catch a Pokemon 7 days in a row, catch a Pokemon on 21 different days

Step 3+ isn't global yet but you can guess how it'll go
Step 3: 10 flying types, 5 days in a row, 15 different days. Those are the same LA numbers for Step 2 so they'll probably go to the same equivalent numbers for global. yes it's literally the same tasks but this time its flying. Just spend 2 months doing the same thing
Step 4: 20 Nice, 20 Great and 20 Excellent throws (all curve balls). Guessing global just doubles these
Step 5: Send 4 gifts w/ stickers, Use 4 berries, earn 4 hearts with your buddy. Yes really. That's it
Step 6: Sinnoh Gold Medal, Reach Level 40, Defeat Team Go Rocket Leaders 3 times. I assume only the Go Rocket Leader task gets increased
Step 7: You're done!


From my perspective it feels like each step was just them going "uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh". Like why even bother with step 5. Step 2 & 3 just being basic big time gates for the sake of making the research last longer?
I can see adjusting the feedback from the nightmares of the previous masterworks but...




Anyway I managed to find a discord with brain worms similar to my own and got the other Charcadet. I am at peace once more, with 833 in the Home Go dex. Hoping whatever the April mon will be, will be less of a pain.
 
R_N said:
From how it sounds, the shiny shaymin research is mostly just tedious and mostly based around time gates

Step 1 is probably the worst, 492 catches for each generation 1-4.
Step 2 in comparison is just some time gates. Catch 20 grass types, catch a Pokemon 7 days in a row, catch a Pokemon on 21 different days

Step 3+ isn't global yet but you can guess how it'll go
Step 3: 10 flying types, 5 days in a row, 15 different days. Those are the same LA numbers for Step 2 so they'll probably go to the same equivalent numbers for global. yes it's literally the same tasks but this time its flying. Just spend 2 months doing the same thing
Step 4: 20 Nice, 20 Great and 20 Excellent throws (all curve balls). Guessing global just doubles these
Step 5: Send 4 gifts w/ stickers, Use 4 berries, earn 4 hearts with your buddy. Yes really. That's it
Step 6: Sinnoh Gold Medal, Reach Level 40, Defeat Team Go Rocket Leaders 3 times. I assume only the Go Rocket Leader task gets increased
Step 7: You're done!


From my perspective it feels like each step was just them going "uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh". Like why even bother with step 5. Step 2 & 3 just being basic big time gates for the sake of making the research last longer?
I can see adjusting the feedback from the nightmares of the previous masterworks but...




Anyway I managed to find a discord with brain worms similar to my own and got the other Charcadet. I am at peace once more, with 833 in the Home Go dex. Hoping whatever the April mon will be, will be less of a pain.
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I am on Step 3 and can confirm Step 3 is the same as Step 2, but with Flying instead of Grass for Task 1 (same Time Gates). No idea on the subsequent steps.

I think the focus on Time Gates was because the old tasks didn't really work for what they were trying to encourage: Long Term play to also get players out for exposure. With the Jirachi Research the Kecleon task was probably to get people to go out and look all over for Pokestops with Kecleon to fill it, but the odds being so low even during featured events people just said "forget it" and waited to do it passively. Stuff like "Catch 1000 Pokemon" also is just a giant number that takes forever to make a dent in so no one's gonna feel compelled to go out regularly and do like 200 catches a day for a week.

Shaymin time gates by comparison encourages people to go out and play at least a bit each day to keep the streaks going, and Step 1's 4 regions to fill out also makes people likely to hunt for events in the schedule that cover something they're after like Nidoran Spotlight for Kanto catches. Also compounded if they know Time Gates are later because they'd ideally blitz through the Step 1 Catches so they can get the time gates counting down sooner, which means events where they can catch 200+ Mons for one of the steps are more valuable times to go out and play hard (and thus be regular fixtures at the park or walking around town or such).
 
I plan to be in Orlando, FL USA from April 10-15 as there's a regional event going on there and my son will be participating in TCG. I was thinking about doing the Pokemon GO event but don't feel confident I have a team to successfully compete and I may have other obligations to attend to. Last time I participated in a video game event was 8-9 years ago and I lost interest once Pokemon GO came out and had a preference towards it instead.
 
R_N said:
I can't imagine they leave it to just those two so...Go does have time of day based spawns right? Like the few times I pull out go at night I do see stuff like Lunatone or Duskull more often.

So that seems like the easiest thing. Lunala (/Dawn Wings necrozma?) with Moongeist Beam causes night spawns for the next 20 minutes, Solgaleo (/Dusk Mane) with Sunsteel Strike

Honestly a downgrade if they go with that but also they kind of really blew their load on the most obvious and useful ones right out of the gate.
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Not too surprisingly, right on the money.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/comments/1c7eng0
 
Don't suppose anyone's gotten a spare Wiglett they'd like to trade me in Home/SV?
I live near no beach biomes and the discord I found who has similar brainworms to me is also in the lurch. No luck on the GTS either.
 
R_N said:
Don't suppose anyone's gotten a spare Wiglett they'd like to trade me in Home/SV?
I live near no beach biomes and the discord I found who has similar brainworms to me is also in the lurch. No luck on the GTS either.
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Does that include fake Beach Biomes? People noted that almost anything with Sand counts as a Beach to the point of getting the background on Golf Courses.

Still trying to find a Wiglett myself.

Also free Diancie Research incoming if you need to get that Mythical (assuming Go Fest paid ticket was skipped)
 
pika pal said:
Does that include fake Beach Biomes? People noted that almost anything with Sand counts as a Beach to the point of getting the background on Golf Courses.

Still trying to find a Wiglett myself.
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I am near no beaches, not without quite a drive. Pretty frustrating
Also free Diancie Research incoming if you need to get that Mythical (assuming Go Fest paid ticket was skipped)
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Which is nice, if only because Diancie's one of those rarely released ones.
However the Home GO dex doesn't require them so I don't worry about them too much. Though I do try to obtain them where possible just in case for future fodders. I've actually gotten Shaymin, Meloetta, Mew and now Celebi (I actually wound up near a community day meet up so I did a trade). And the Darkrai they gave out.
In contrast I don't worry about raids or pay-tickets (ie: I didn't buy the Zarude research) nor do I arrange trades for them.


Speaking of more than I thought, there was a huge update in my neighborhood. I now have 4 pokestops and a gym. This massively changes the things I have reasonable access to; raids are way easier to interact with for when you don't have to walk minimum 3 miles to another neighborhood or idle in a parking lot. I have an easier shot at coins so I can possibly save up for and buy remote raid passes. With all the pokestops I can actually reasonably look for event tasks in case a Pokemon lands in there, or gather more eggs.
 
R_N said:
Speaking of more than I thought, there was a huge update in my neighborhood. I now have 4 pokestops and a gym. This massively changes the things I have reasonable access to; raids are way easier to interact with for when you don't have to walk minimum 3 miles to another neighborhood or idle in a parking lot. I have an easier shot at coins so I can possibly save up for and buy remote raid passes. With all the pokestops I can actually reasonably look for event tasks in case a Pokemon lands in there, or gather more eggs.
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You love to see it. Gym will mostly help for the odd low-level Raid unless you look into apps for Remote Inviting, but just having something in stone-throwing distance is a massive convenience (source: Guy who lived on top of 2 Gyms and 5 stops at College vs nothing within 10 minutes of my current house)
 
May's update has dropped - Tapu Fini and Regirock in raids, then Stakataka and Blacephalon concurrently, divided, as I'd expected, into eastern and western hemispheres respectively.

Nice little upside to being a UK player - we can get both! The hemisphere line crosses through Greenwich, so I expect I'll do a few Blacephalon during the rest of the week then trek on over to join an east London raid group. I imagine Stakataka will be hell to take down without a group of at least four or five.
 
QuentinQuonce said:
May's update has dropped - Tapu Fini and Regirock in raids, then Stakataka and Blacephalon concurrently, divided, as I'd expected, into eastern and western hemispheres respectively.

Nice little upside to being a UK player - we can get both! The hemisphere line crosses through Greenwich, so I expect I'll do a few Blacephalon during the rest of the week then trek on over to join an east London raid group. I imagine Stakataka will be hell to take down without a group of at least four or five.
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Stakataka might come down to moveset. Its high defenses will suck to fight but it does have a double weakness to Primal Groudon plus others that might undermine that bulk to a reasonable level. Curious to see myself
 
Hoping that the pair will be somewhat good enough that people want to do a bunch of them so they populate the GTS.
 
R_N said:
Hoping that the pair will be somewhat good enough that people want to do a bunch of them so they populate the GTS.
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Legendaries usually aren't too hard to come by because even if people aren't catching the mons themselves, they want to do them for the rewards like XL Rare Candy rolls. East/West Hemisphere is more even than the North/South that the Ultra Beasts did, so shouldn't be hard to find. And if not now they'll be back for Go Fest, especially if they get their Shinies there.

At the very least Blacephalon's datamined moveset and high offenses make it a strong glass Canon for Fire and Ghost, so that one should be easy to find spares of.
 
Pikachu315111 said:
So just saw this on Kotaku. Good jerb there, Niantic.

https://kotaku.com/pokemon-go-wiglett-spawn-locations-fake-beach-coastal-1851455378

Someone could probably write a case study thesis on Developer's Plans VS Player's Workarounds using just Pokemon GO alone.
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I knew Biome exclusive spawns were going to lead to shenanigans. It's the same discontent as regional spawns, but now with data that can be manipulated, as we can see here.

Niantic is very bad about understanding how their players work or what they'll do in response to things, most famous probably being how dead Raids got with the Remote nerf and limited engagement GBL gets with its sidelining in focus (things like requested formats barely recurring and accessible options constantly being nerfed or made less-so such as Gholdengo's moveset, important stuff like Zacian barely recurring, and things like Scald spam in GL going unaddressed)
 
Without Silph Road or relying on maps from cheating devices, finding nests for certain pokemon is a word of mouth challenge as I'll need 276 XL candies for Lickitung to have ready for the great league. A shiny 7/15/14 is rank 4 and as a best buddy could max it at cp 1497. Such hard work for a top 10 ranked pokemon that is often a pain to face in the great league.
 
Expert Evan said:
Without Silph Road or relying on maps from cheating devices, finding nests for certain pokemon is a word of mouth challenge as I'll need 276 XL candies for Lickitung to have ready for the great league. A shiny 7/15/14 is rank 4 and as a best buddy could max it at cp 1497. Such hard work for a top 10 ranked pokemon that is often a pain to face in the great league.
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Pokemon requiring XL to max for a League are what make things like UL and late GL hard to get into for me. Licktung I hatched a ton of them as 5km Egg junk, but it's so much dust too to build one that I don't trust to stay meta relevant by the time I build one.
 
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/comments/1cr6w3g

I wasn't expecting Marshadow to get spectral thief, but I was expecting it to actually get ghost moves.

Supposedly it still looks good in PvP, but still... no ghost moves at all?? :psysad:

With Sendai ghost GO fest being in a couple of weeks it's probably not worth hoping it's just early datamine placeholder, either.

Light trio sig moves do exist, though, and are apparently busted:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/comments/1cr5zh1

And more details on blacephalon, stak, & naganadel event are out: https://pokemongolive.com/post/dusk-mane-dawn-wings-necrozma-fusion?hl=en
 
RocketSurgery said:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/comments/1cr6w3g

I wasn't expecting Marshadow to get spectral thief, but I was expecting it to actually get ghost moves.

Supposedly it still looks good in PvP, but still... no ghost moves at all?? :psysad:

With Sendai ghost GO fest being in a couple of weeks it's probably not worth hoping it's just early datamine placeholder, either.

Light trio sig moves do exist, though, and are apparently busted:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/comments/1cr5zh1

And more details on blacephalon, stak, & naganadel event are out: https://pokemongolive.com/post/dusk-mane-dawn-wings-necrozma-fusion?hl=en
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Marshadow I think they're afraid to play too much with because of Ghost/Fighting neutral pressure, but it doesn't have a good deal of distinction from Annihilape who DOES have Shadow ball (nevermind Rage Fist being prime CD move) without Shadow Claw or Punch or something. Better in ML if you roll a good one since Fighting coverage is rare but useful to back up Dragons, but not gonna make many waves since it leaves Giratina and the incoming Necrozmas as massive walls.

That said, Annihilape DID get Shadow Ball added near-last-minute before it debuted proper; I believe until literally 2 days (January 17th) before the event dropped (the 19th) it had Primeape's Moveset minus Legacy Cross Chop, then had the same plus Shadow Ball in a dump that mostly put preview data for the new UBs we're only now getting to and some Gen 9 Legendaries. While Spectral Thief is probably something we won't see for a while if at all (like the post-Fest freebie several Mythicals get), it's proven it's never too late for Niantic to change a mined moveset, for better or worse (the latter in the case of Gogoat losing PvP Rock Slide).

As far as the Light Trio, it continues something I very much disliked about Palkia and Dialga: arbitrarily limiting it to the form they can sell now (Origin then, the Necrozma fusions in this case) at the originals' expense. Palkia and Dialga it did bother me more since they still tried to push them alongside the Origin forms in the same event, but not a fan here since you get things like Dawn Wings directly outclassing Lunala as is (to the point of getting a move buff everyone clamored for on the latter with Shadow Claw). The mons themselves are OP but still not a fan of this approach.
 
I've not been playing much recently beyond the daily checklist of "catch, spin stop, complete field research, open gift, done" but the prospect of a new Master Ball made me interested enough to log in this morning.

The research is immense so I was like, yeah there's really no need to go hard on this, gonna take weeks for sure.

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And yet I had a very dull day at work today in which I was sat in lots of virtual meetings with not much to contribute, so I kept my phone open and ended up very nearly completing the first page. Only ~50 catches away.

Admittedly I was helped in this by the spawns around my house being insane today: Zorua is seemingly everywhere, I chanced upon a Frigibax, a Jangmo-o, and a Sliggoo (since when were those things in the wild...?), and Ioads of evolved stuff which gave loads of CP. Plus I caught a shiny Munna which was one I hadn't yet found so that's nice too. I wondered if these were are all special spawns for the event but apparently there aren't any! So clearly Niantic are showering me with the good stuff to reel me back in.

Though is anyone else finding Jangmo-o really common for a Pokemon you'd expect to... well, not be? Maybe it's my biome or hemisphere or whatever but I'm catching one or two a week atm.
 
So Sandygast's a kind of rare Pokemon, and Sneasel's popular and kind of fits the Team Rocket task,a nd Whiscash is an anime reference but

Why Dubwool? Kind of a random reward



Also gotta say I'm stunned how....reasonable? This is as research. Oh sure the numbers are big, and will take a while but not as big or intensive as I could have expected. Hell there's nothing pertaining to raids or trades oranything, even.
 
R_N said:
So Sandygast's a kind of rare Pokemon, and Sneasel's popular and kind of fits the Team Rocket task,a nd Whiscash is an anime reference but

Why Dubwool? Kind of a random reward
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Wooloo is still pretty rare (as are basically all Galar mons not in eggs) and Dubwool has been in the weekly reward pool this season. Plus it's evolved, so that's... something. Always appreciate the extra stardust and guaranteed XL.

R_N said:
Also gotta say I'm stunned how....reasonable? This is as research. Oh sure the numbers are big, and will take a while but not as big or intensive as I could have expected. Hell there's nothing pertaining to raids or trades oranything, even.
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I could have sworn I read in the blog post announcing this that raids were part of it, but idk if I mixed that up with something else. Either way, I agree, it's basically the sort of research you'd eventually achieve just by playing normally and not having to go out of your way for anything (even if it took months on end).
 
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