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Pokemon, a science

"Meganeura monyi was a prehistoric insect of the Carboniferous period(300 million years ago), resembling and related to the present-day dragonfly. With a wingspan of more than 75 cm (2 feet) wide, it was the largest known flying insect species ever appear on earth..."

...Controversy has prevailed as to how insects of the Carboniferous period were able to grow so large. The way oxygen is diffused through the insect's body via its tracheal breathing system puts an upper limit on body size, which prehistoric insects seem to have well exceeded. It was originally proposed (Harlé & Harlé, 1911) that Meganeura was only able to fly because the atmosphere at that time contained more oxygen than the present 20 percent..."

"This theory was dismissed by fellow scientists, but has found approval more recently through further study into the relationship between gigantism and oxygen availability. If this theory is correct, these insect giants would have been perilously susceptible to falling oxygen levels and certainly could not survive in our modern atmosphere."

Earth doesn't have enough Oxygen in its atmosphere to support larger Bug-type Pokemon, so Pokemon must not take place on Earth. And if that's the case, how unlikely would it be that Humans would be present on this other planet as well, and with a culture and technology that is so similar to our own without influence from us here on Earth, who don't have the technology or ability to exert such an influence?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meganeura

Note: Meganeura Monyi appears to be a little smaller than Yanmega, who weighs in at 113.5 lbs.


If Pokemon isn't on Earth, what explains Mew being in South America, and all those Indian Elephant Pokedex references?
 
in the scientific process, this is called a hypothesis, lets test this


sunflora, use solarbeam

sunflora reacted to stimuli

discuss: sunflora probably as a brain

yay, pokemon science prevails

Fact: All plants respond to stimuli.

Conclusion: Fail.

A better example would be that there are plant Pokemon, and then there are just plants. What's to say that there can't be photosynthetic animals with plant-like appearances and tendancies? Maybe they evolved from plants. Maybe plants had Ditto sex and the result was a Pokemon?
 
so maybe pokemon is like really futuristic after everything evolved to a higher life form or something

i mean, it seems like the future alright with a bicycle that defys physics, fitting into your backpack...
 
I'm sure people could bs something.

In our atmosphere, a bug with that weight would die...
Lets just asume they have lungs =).

The pokedex entry in I think the original RBY said Pidgeot eat magikarp, so they do eat each other.

Now what Garchomps eat, and several other pokemon, I'm not sure.

Also, the largest mistake in typing that I had somehow forgotten:
Electricity vs. ground and flying.

If something is in the air, and then someone touches them with some electric thing (lets say a spark plug; they have high voltage...), will it get shocked? No, as the electricity wont even go through them because it can't get anywhere (the target is always the ground).
Air planes flying often get hit by lightning...what happens? They get a scorch mark from the extreme heat, if even that, nothing else, as the electricity itself doesn't effect it because it is in the air.

Now, if it was on the ground, with a wire leading into it (and not non-conducting rubber tires like those cars have) it's electrical components would get fried.

Being "grounded" fucks you over when you come into contact with electricity, being the opposite, as in having no contact with it, as would be the case if your sitting on rubber tires, or on nothing at all (as in, if your in the air) then you'd be completely immune from the electricity (but not necessarily the heat, so lightning, which is hotter then the suns surface, will kill you no matter).

Clearly, Game Freak got a little confused here; ground should be weak to electricity, and flying immune.

Water is never pure naturally things such as salt and other minerals make it conductive, and other things that would be necessary for animals to be able to live in it I'm sure as well.
Their is a difference between being "pure" and "not polluted".

Steel and even rock should probably be imune to poison, except for the move "acid"; poison normally works by having enzymes that disolve tissues...you tell me how that'd work on a rock or chunk of metal.

Stainless steel doesn't rust, as well as other types of high quallity steel.

Steel shouldn't be weak to electricity, in that they don't have computer components, etc, they just have an armor made of metal...and probably aren't any more conductive then normal pokemon, in that steel isn't the most conductive metal. Though, actually, being weak to electricity probably makes a lot more sense then being weak to fire, unless you honestly expect the pokemon to get anywhere near it's melting point (or point where the steel begins to weaken).
Normal types would die long before temperatures like that, and I don't see them having a fire weakness.

Actually, Grounds are strong agaisnt Electrics cause they have a safe pathway for the electricity to discharge in the attack (sending it into the ground).

As to how Flying-types can be damaged...the concept that allows planes to survive your regular Lightning bolt (the concept of a Faraday Cage) fails when going against Positive-charge lightning. So it can be hypothesized that Electric-type Pokemon like Pikachu or Electabuzz can switch the charge on their attacks (or pokemon capable of generating a large enough charge to create attacks like Thundershock and Thunderbolt.

By the way, Positive-charges in Lightning has been documented as well as the plane crashes they can cause. I will quote a wikipedia article on this (Sorry but it was the only thing I could find and yes, it is accurate):

"Positive lightning, also known colloquially as a "bolt from the blue" makes up less than 5% of all lightning.[citation needed] It occurs when the leader forms at the positively charged cloud tops, with the consequence that a negatively charged streamer issues from the ground. The overall effect is a discharge of positive charges to the ground. Research carried out after the discovery of positive lightning in the 1970s showed that positive lightning bolts are typically six to ten times more powerful than negative bolts, last around ten times longer, and can strike tens of kilometres/miles from the clouds).[19] The voltage difference for positive lightning must be considerably higher, due to the tens of thousands of additional metres/feet the strike must travel. During a positive lightning strike, huge quantities of ELF and VLF radio waves are generated.[citation needed]

As a result of their greater power, positive lightning strikes are considerably more dangerous. At the present time, aircraft are not designed to withstand such strikes, since their existence was unknown at the time standards were set, and the dangers unappreciated until the destruction of a glider in 1999.[20] Positive lightning is also now believed to have been responsible for the 1963 in-flight explosion and subsequent crash of Pan Am Flight 214, a Boeing 707[citation needed]. Subsequently, aircraft operating in U.S. airspace have been required to have lightning discharge wicks to reduce the chances of a similar occurrence.
Positive lightning has also been shown to trigger the occurrence of upper atmosphere lightning. It tends to occur more frequently in winter storms and at the end of a thunderstorm.[citation needed]

An average bolt of positive lightning carries a current of up to 300 kA (kiloamperes) (about ten times as much current as a bolt of negative lightning), transfers a charge of up to 300 coulombs, has a potential difference up to 1 GV (gigavolts), and lasts for hundreds of milliseconds, with a discharge energy of up to 300 GJ (gigajoules).[citation needed]"

Sorry for all the citations but I am quoting the article as it stands from Wikipedia. I actually remember the crash being mentioned thanks to a program on National Geographic about the electrical phenomenea in Thunderstorms.

As to Mew and its ability to learn every TM/HM move; think about the episode in the Johto arc (correct?) involving the Clefairy from space. It could be theorized that Mew is part of an alien race that seeded the Earth with pokemon through Panspermia; as it is also supposed to contain the entire Genetic code of every pokemon.
 
so maybe pokemon is like really futuristic after everything evolved to a higher life form or something

i mean, it seems like the future alright with a bicycle that defys physics, fitting into your backpack...

Am I the only one who reads the in game descriptions? It's FOLDING Bike, a FOLDING BIKE.
 
Am I the only one who reads the in game descriptions? It's FOLDING Bike, a FOLDING BIKE.

Well if you can explain how you can fold the wheels of a bike then perhaps we can get somewhere :-p Bike wheels == big, I doubt that they'll fit in a purse or even a backpack.
 
If Pokemon isn't on Earth, what explains Mew being in South America, and all those Indian Elephant Pokedex references?

That's what i'm wondering ;) There currently isn't enough oxygen in the atmosphere to support the existance of larger bug-type Pokemon, so in order for those Pokemon to exist, the games must take place a long time ago, in which case human society as we know it today shouldn't exist, or in the distant future, where more Oxygen may be present in the atmosphere, in which case, we should presumably see much more advanced technology in the games than we do. And if that is the case, tectonic shifting may be able to explain why continents exist in the games that don't exist on Earth, but then, how is the existence of South America as we know it preserved through the massive tectonic movements that would need to take place in order for these new continents to exist without strongly resembling continents that exist currently?
 
Guys...how does the D/P bag have infinite storage? Is it some sort of hypercube or something?
 
Actually, Grounds are strong agaisnt Electrics cause they have a safe pathway for the electricity to discharge in the attack (sending it into the ground).

As to how Flying-types can be damaged...the concept that allows planes to survive your regular Lightning bolt (the concept of a Faraday Cage) fails when going against Positive-charge lightning. So it can be hypothesized that Electric-type Pokemon like Pikachu or Electabuzz can switch the charge on their attacks (or pokemon capable of generating a large enough charge to create attacks like Thundershock and Thunderbolt.

By the way, Positive-charges in Lightning has been documented as well as the plane crashes they can cause. I will quote a wikipedia article on this (Sorry but it was the only thing I could find and yes, it is accurate):

"Positive lightning, also known colloquially as a "bolt from the blue" makes up less than 5% of all lightning.[citation needed] It occurs when the leader forms at the positively charged cloud tops, with the consequence that a negatively charged streamer issues from the ground. The overall effect is a discharge of positive charges to the ground. Research carried out after the discovery of positive lightning in the 1970s showed that positive lightning bolts are typically six to ten times more powerful than negative bolts, last around ten times longer, and can strike tens of kilometres/miles from the clouds).[19] The voltage difference for positive lightning must be considerably higher, due to the tens of thousands of additional metres/feet the strike must travel. During a positive lightning strike, huge quantities of ELF and VLF radio waves are generated.[citation needed]

As a result of their greater power, positive lightning strikes are considerably more dangerous. At the present time, aircraft are not designed to withstand such strikes, since their existence was unknown at the time standards were set, and the dangers unappreciated until the destruction of a glider in 1999.[20] Positive lightning is also now believed to have been responsible for the 1963 in-flight explosion and subsequent crash of Pan Am Flight 214, a Boeing 707[citation needed]. Subsequently, aircraft operating in U.S. airspace have been required to have lightning discharge wicks to reduce the chances of a similar occurrence.
Positive lightning has also been shown to trigger the occurrence of upper atmosphere lightning. It tends to occur more frequently in winter storms and at the end of a thunderstorm.[citation needed]

An average bolt of positive lightning carries a current of up to 300 kA (kiloamperes) (about ten times as much current as a bolt of negative lightning), transfers a charge of up to 300 coulombs, has a potential difference up to 1 GV (gigavolts), and lasts for hundreds of milliseconds, with a discharge energy of up to 300 GJ (gigajoules).[citation needed]"

Sorry for all the citations but I am quoting the article as it stands from Wikipedia. I actually remember the crash being mentioned thanks to a program on National Geographic about the electrical phenomenea in Thunderstorms.

As to Mew and its ability to learn every TM/HM move; think about the episode in the Johto arc (correct?) involving the Clefairy from space. It could be theorized that Mew is part of an alien race that seeded the Earth with pokemon through Panspermia; as it is also supposed to contain the entire Genetic code of every pokemon.

Positive lightning has much greater power then regular lightning, and therefore much greater heat.
Regular lightning has enough current to easily fry every bit of electronics on an airplane...if only the plane was grounded, but its not, therefore the heat and energy, not electricity, involved with the lightning damages it.

For electricity to be able to travel through air it has to have a certain voltage for each distance it can travel, and, as it said, positive lightning comes from the top of a cloud, and often travels sideways, meaning it obviously is much more powerful (10 times more) and therefore has enough heat and energy to be able to severely damage a plain without the current.

Actually, Grounds are strong agaisnt Electrics cause they have a safe pathway for the electricity to discharge in the attack (sending it into the ground).

...
This is what causes the electricity itself to hurt you!
The electric fence we use to keep our horses in has several wires, one of which is called a "ground wire"; it has no current, and instead it is simply attached to the ground with an end buried because the ground is often very dry here.

If the ground is extremely dry, you can safely touch one of the wires on the fence without suffering at all, as the current wont pass through you (just as if you where in the air).
But, I can ground myself by touching the ground wire, giving the electricity a "safe pathway....to discharge", and guess what happens? I get an extremely powerful jolt that stuns my hand...

The reason grounded lightning rods around a house protect it is because then the lightning targets them instead of the house...but, if the house itself is taller and grounded, then the lightning would tend to target the houses setting them on fire, etc.

To be safe from electricity, you have to be un-grounded, as in, the opposite of grounded...such as, flying. To receive the full shock, you have to be grounded...

Nothing, however, will protect you from the tremendous heat and energy that isn't in the form of electricity when struck by a lightning bolt...they are simply much to powerful; even hotter then the surface of the Sun.
And, as I said, because positive lightning is 10 times as powerful as regular lightning (not because its positive, but because the distance it travels) it can fry (via heat) the plain, and damage it severely that way...

If Pokemon isn't on Earth, what explains Mew being in South America, and all those Indian Elephant Pokedex references?

The Pearl pokedex entry on Poliwrath mentions them swimming in the Pacific Ocean as well...

All in all, some things like that we shouldn't take to seriously, I mean, its a kids TV show about what the world may be like if all the animals where extremely weird and pit fights where legal.
 
All in all, some things like that we shouldn't take to seriously, I mean, its a kids TV show about what the world may be like if all the animals where extremely weird and pit fights where legal.

If you read the Pokedex, you'll know that this is clearly not a kid's game. :) (not to mention the risk of suddenly waking up as a Kadabra)
 
All in all, some things like that we shouldn't take to seriously, I mean, its a kids TV show about what the world may be like if all the animals where extremely weird and pit fights where legal.

If you read the Pokedex, you'll know that this is clearly not a kid's game. :) (not to mention the risk of suddenly waking up as a Kadabra)

The pokedex says supercomputers are smart (Alakazam and Metagross are both "as smart as a supercompter"); although they can do immense calculations, etc, no one has yet been able to create a computer capable of doing many of the "simple" things many Humans and animals do routinely.

If these two pokemon really where, then they couldn't run or walk very fast at all without tripping and falling on a pebble.
 
The pokedex says supercomputers are smart (Alakazam and Metagross are both "as smart as a supercompter"); although they can do immense calculations, etc, no one has yet been able to create a computer capable of doing many of the "simple" things many Humans and animals do routinely.

If these two pokemon really where, then they couldn't run or walk very fast at all without tripping and falling on a pebble.

I think the Pokedex is talking about stuff like mathematical knowledge with the supercomputer references, not actually having one for a brain.
 
All of the aspects of breeding are really strange in the Pokemon world.

In real life, two animals must be in the same species to produce any fertile offspring, but the rule doesn't seem to apply to Pokemon, since any two Pokemon that are in the same breeding group can have babies that can make more eggs. Does that mean that technically a Skitty is the same species as a Wailord? (sorry but that's the first example I could think of, heh)

And how about those Pokemon that are in two different breeding groups? So Wailord, under our classification system, Wailord would be the same species as everything in the Ground egg group, as well as everything in the Water 2 egg group, meaning that really the Ground egg group Pokemon would be the same species as the Water 2 members, and with all of the connections between egg groups, you can pretty much go on and connect everything.

And then come the genderless Pokemon. Before Ditto, it was all good, because they couldn't breed with anything. But then Ditto came along, and, well, now Pokemon that aren't properly equipped can create babies anyway.

Which brings me to the subject of Ditto. Actually, I can't think of anything I could possibly say about Ditto, but you guys can think about it for yourselves.

Also I just want to note that Pokemon are fertile right out of the egg. They don't have to wait to mature or anything. And the Day Care couple doesn't seem to have any problem with hot level 1 on level 100 action.

In short, don't think anything about Pokemon biology. I also have nothing to do right now, in case you couldn't tell. And I probably made myself look like a dumbass at the same time. Whatever.

Whales evolve from four-legged land creatures.
 
In real life, two animals must be in the same species to produce any fertile offspring

Actually, their is one animal that is a hybrid and can make fertile offspring; the "prizzly"/"grolar bear"; or, "cross between a polar bear and a grizzly bear".
They occur in the wild every once in a while (some hunter shot one in Canada last year) and are fertile..
Though, this is probably one of the only animals that can...

In short, don't think anything about Pokemon biology

I second that.
 
Think of Ground as sand.

Electricity can't go through sand.

Conclusion: Ground is immune to Electricity

(although the heat might make it turn to glass...)

Pikachu used Thunderbolt on Hippowdon!

Hippowdon turned into the Glass Type!
 
There is no reason to talk about Pokemon and energy because Pokemon aren't real, so there is no point in debating about it...
 
What if Ground types have something akin to a Faraday Cage? That would explain why they don't get hurt. It is the same phenomena as what happens when a lightning bolt hits a car: The frame channels the electrical energy around the cabin and into the ground through the tires.

If you want to read about this, google the term Faraday Cage and Michael Faraday.
 
Female ligers are fertile, and so are female mules.

BTW, Octillery is a cannon that looks like an octopus. It shoots things.
 
oh, and i think with the whole bugs and oxygen thing, well i suppose we do have tree pokemon and such that would consume a higher proportion of carbon dioxide than regular trees, so the oxygen composition of the air should be a higher ratio with huge plant things like venusaur and meganium...
 
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