Pokemon that disappointed you in-game despite looking good initially?

QuentinQuonce said:
Saying Alakazam isn't that great in HGSS? Sacrilege. Damn, I hope people come for you like they did for me when I dared to state my opinion that Mareep isn't all that
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I think Mareep is heavily flawed in HGSS

In GSC it's decent

My main problem with Mareep is that Electric just isn't that great a type in Johto. It hits a decent amount of individual targets sprinkled throughout the game, but because sheep is slow you're gonna be taking hits and status anyway, and the lack of meaningful resistances doesn't help either. It's a decent all-arounder but will never carry a team
 
Interesting. Going back to early experiences from near 20 years ago(eek,) I just barely remember zard not getting past kanto 1st e4 person. This was lvl 100 mind you, but ofc was worse player then. It wasn't even slowbro surf, rather it just got and would stay frozen. Obviously in competitive zard(now) leaves much to be desired. It can do scary hits in sun, I suppose, but so can better mons, including the 2 relevant drought mons themselves. I guess the next game changer like me has, Max, or Tera will likely favor this old Mon, again, so it a minor issue for this gen only.

I haven't used it so maybe shouldn't say, but Enamorus seemed great looking at it, but I'm told it is bad.
 
DrumstickGaming said:
I think Mareep is heavily flawed in HGSS

In GSC it's decent

My main problem with Mareep is that Electric just isn't that great a type in Johto. It hits a decent amount of individual targets sprinkled throughout the game, but because sheep is slow you're gonna be taking hits and status anyway, and the lack of meaningful resistances doesn't help either. It's a decent all-arounder but will never carry a team
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GS Mareep has a bunch of things going for it that make it really valuable.

TWave to help dealing with Johto's random bs and catching, legit great mid-game output with STAB Thunderpunch and solid coverage in Fire Punch.

It's an incredible glue mon in GS.

Meanwhile, in HGSS...

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Volt-Ikazuchi said:
GS Mareep has a bunch of things going for it that make it really valuable.

TWave to help dealing with Johto's random bs and catching, legit great mid-game output with STAB Thunderpunch and solid coverage in Fire Punch.

It's an incredible glue mon in GS.

Meanwhile, in HGSS...

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Look on the positive side. At least you get a 120 base power Focus Blast TM... if you are willing to grind for Ampharos...
 
real accuracy odds: 85% = 100% unless you're in a tough situation or trying to grind up the Pokemon in question, then it's a question of how much it loves you. EXCEPT when it's a guarenteed loss then it goes back to 100%

70%: literal coin flip
 
ant4456 said:
I saw Nickit in a leak of like the first 15 minutes of gameplay and being the dumb furry I am I wanted to use it. Later I learned it had Magikarp stats and then it evolved into Thievul which I think is ugly AF
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i kinda think it would look good if it was a three stage like a tall and skinny Inceniroar
 
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I went for another run of Pokemon Diamond for a legendary hunt. This time I traded a bit too many Pokemon to see how they perform and it got a bit mixed up and I could not tell how good some where due to having to take liberaties on who to have on my team. But Dialga specifically I decided to use the one from my previous run. EV trained Modest to be max speed and max special attack. It had Dragon Pulse, Fire Blast, Roar of time andn some filler move. And still... Dialga hardly beat anything. Even with boosted exp, I could not reach above lv53 and made a fights a chore.
I don't know what it is with Dialga. Sure, if I grinded more, it would probably perform better. But this is a cover legendary.
When I used Articuno or Zapdos in RBY, Lugia or Ho-oh (130 base attack STAB Gust lmao) in GS, Groudon/Kyogre/Rayquaza in RSE... I always felt like I have the power.
Maybe my expectations are too high. The Pokemon in Diamond is significantly more 'bulky' or higher level.

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Btw I also used Rotom. The only TM move I taught it later was Thunder. Shock Wave + 60 base power Ghost move did decent mid game but it fell off real hard. I didn't bother teaching it Shadow Ball. It died so often that it peaked at lv49.
I just overleveled the Timid Synchronize Ralts I had on my team that swept the game after evolving and I added Heatran from my previous run.
 
mertyville said:
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I went for another run of Pokemon Diamond for a legendary hunt. This time I traded a bit too many Pokemon to see how they perform and it got a bit mixed up and I could not tell how good some where due to having to take liberaties on who to have on my team.
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That’s what happened to me in my last Soul Silver run a bit lol, I ended up going through 12ish team members and some guys didn’t get enough burn to determine quality.
mertyville said:
But Dialga specifically I decided to use the one from my previous run. EV trained Modest to be max speed and max special attack. It had Dragon Pulse, Fire Blast, Roar of time andn some filler move. And still... Dialga hardly beat anything. Even with boosted exp, I could not reach above lv53 and made a fights a chore.
I don't know what it is with Dialga. Sure, if I grinded more, it would probably perform better. But this is a cover legendary.
When I used Articuno or Zapdos in RBY, Lugia or Ho-oh (130 base attack STAB Gust lmao) in GS, Groudon/Kyogre/Rayquaza in RSE... I always felt like I have the power.
Maybe my expectations are too high. The Pokemon in Diamond is significantly more 'bulky' or higher level.
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Interesting. I’ve read similar things about the Gen 5 box legends, and from what little I used them, I trust the reviews lol. I’ve never been big into the Gen 4 legendaries honestly.
mertyville said:
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Btw I also used Rotom. The only TM move I taught it later was Thunder. Shock Wave + 60 base power Ghost move did decent mid game but it fell off real hard. I didn't bother teaching it Shadow Ball. It died so often that it peaked at lv49.
I just overleveled the Timid Synchronize Ralts I had on my team that swept the game after evolving and I added Heatran from my previous run.
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I used Thunderbolt on Rotom instead of Thunder, and had similar experience. It fell off at the end of the game. I gave it a choice specs so it could one shot Milotic, then I sacked it so I could intim Garchomp.

I do have Platinum, so I may try to DNS in the Secret Key and use a Rotom form next run. Also thinking about Scizor and Slowking. Hmm.

I need to grab a few guys for my Gen 5 National dex still, so we’ll have to see. I do need to play Diamond as well so I can grab Stunky lol. And my third starter.
 
mertyville said:
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Btw I also used Rotom. The only TM move I taught it later was Thunder. Shock Wave + 60 base power Ghost move did decent mid game but it fell off real hard. I didn't bother teaching it Shadow Ball. It died so often that it peaked at lv49.
I just overleveled the Timid Synchronize Ralts I had on my team that swept the game after evolving and I added Heatran from my previous run.
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Rotom heavily depends on whether the Appliances are obtainable in-game. Early and midgame, it's fine(50/77/77 bulk is acceptable and 95 SPA on a fast mon is downright good until you hit the mid-30s), but by lategame you NEED the extra bulk of a washing machine or oven(50/107/107), and the additional typing is vital.

If you do, the other thing is, don't run Rotom as your team's substitute Fire(or similar). Run a standard FWG core and then swap Rotom as-needed, so you can walk into a lategame Ground-type gym with 2 water mons without having to grind.

But without the appliances, it's kind of tough staying relevant except when the (rather good) immunities are helping out.
 
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Surely this Modest Xatu will live up to its billing when I trade it over to Platinum and won’t immediately get benched in favor of a Gallade/Gardevoir. It has a good nature and everything, God isn’t waiting behind my back with a chair to hit me with the fact this Pokemon is mega ass. As stated in multiple posts in this thread. No. I am different.
 
Basedwell said:
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Surely this Modest Xatu will live up to its billing when I trade it over to Platinum and won’t immediately get benched in favor of a Gallade/Gardevoir. It has a good nature and everything, God isn’t waiting behind my back with a chair to hit me with the fact this Pokemon is mega ass. As stated in multiple posts in this thread. No. I am different.
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In my Diamond run I transfered a fully ev trained lv74 Giratina to use for the Elite 4 and the results... are underwhelming to say the least. Worse than even Dialga. I wanted to see if Giratina is just as bad as it felt when I used it over a decade ago in Platinum and it shows. The moveset I used was Dragon Claw, Frustration, Shadow Sneak and its weird signature move.
It was good at taking hits. I mean if a level 74 cover legendary cannot take hits from pokemon below lv70 and with that huge defensive stats, I would be surprised. But it couldn't hit hard enough. Bronzong cold walled it and Milotic pp stalled my Dragon Claws and the Ghosts signature move. 100 base attack just wasn't enough.
The best I can say: At least it 2HKOed Spiritomb. I won't give it browny points for defeating Dustox or the likes.
 
I used Pachirisu in BDSP. I know Pachirisu is a shitmon but like unless it was a 4x effective Thunderbolt, it wasn't doing damage. Even with Specs btw.

I was staying at normal level (ie. Level 57 at Cynthia) so maybe the EV trained mons just cooked it, but was still underperforming my expectations of a boring Electric STAB spam
 
mertyville said:
reminds me of a video where a youtube made a great video around someone defending Dunsparce due to its performance for the Kingdra fight.
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I got six minutes in and already Imported Cheese's obnoxious smugness made me stop.

"using non-attacking moves is bad"

bro have you seen a speedrun

have you seen any challenge run

have you seen any battle where the player is underleveled

have you seen an excadrill

shut the fuck up dude
 
I'm not sure if Wishiwashi is frailer and weaker than it seems like it should be or if it's because the one I used for a playthrough of Moon had two 0 IVs. I feel like unlocking the IV checker explained a lot, but was I expecting too much from the Schooling form's Base Stat Total or was it the bad IVs?

pokemon4eva said:
Torkoal is funny bc it has Skarmory level bulk but in a worse typing Also I bet everyone who saw White Smoke's description for the first time thought "oh wow this combos excelently with Overheat" only to still lower sp atk and get the disappointment of a lifetime...
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First thought: That shouldn't be much of a problem. The Gym Leader that gives out the Overheat TM has a Torkoal that will use Overheat and you'll see the SpA drop happens even with White Smoke.

Second Thought: Wait, that's only in RSE and ORAS... That was Gens 3 and 6. We're in Gen 9... I'm old! D:

DrPumpkinz said:
I got six minutes in and already Imported Cheese's obnoxious smugness made me stop.

"using non-attacking moves is bad"
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They said what?!
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Where are they? I promise I just want to talk. About Leech Seed. Until they wish I was there for something other than talking.
 
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