okay sorry to double post but I fixed stuff:
- Condensed Ninetales's defensive set from 10 paragraphs down to 5.
- Changed Keldeo set order to one we decided on. Slashed Substitute with CM on offensive CM as we all agreed.
- Changed Terrakion set order to one we decided on.
- Slashed Psychic on Scarf and Specs Politoed. Dropped Hypnosis to AC on Scarf. Mentioned HP Electric in Scarf AC.
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PK Gaming, make these notes for the following things in the OP:
Heatran: Add a flame charge set(?) It's competitive use is debatable so i'd like some input on this please BKC is doing this.
Jirachi: Shuca Berry needs a mention somewhere I am revamping the Mixed set, renaming it "Mixed Lure" and making Shuca Berry the only option on the main set, as well as Stealth Rock alone in a slot and Fire Punch or Icy Wind / Hidden Power Ice or Thunderbolt or Energy Ball (AC Thunder, maybe slash ?_? idk) / Iron Head for the attacks.
Tailwind: Deserves being mentioned on several prominent Pokemon Hydreigon, Tornadus, and Skarmory are the most significant, imho. Lead Aerodactyl is also very good.
Keldeo: SubCM should be changed to accommodate Sub + 3 atks We decided to slash Sub on offensive CM because it is more alike to that set. I've done this.
Politoed: Water Gem Politoed + Fix the slash order This is done.
Breloom: On the Subseed Breloom set, Protect Should be slashed with Substitute and Focus Punch should be slashed with Drain Punch. Change the name Leech Seed We decided to get rid of SubSeed and make Protect + Leech Seed + Drain Punch + Spore a main set.
Brii's post also provided a good to-do list, so I'll mark off what we've completed from there.
Dice said:
- flame charge heatran isn't deserving of a set imo, ac. it's nice at times, but it's more of a niche move. slashing works BKC is making a set for it, as we've decided.
- i think 252 hp / 240 def / 16 spe timid should be the main tenta spread; outspeeding breloom/dnite and anything lower. AC mentioned should be 286 spe and 290 spe for kyurem(-b). The Tentacruel spread has been fixed.
- wispgar should just be slashed with disable or w/e, arguing over the set names / slash order is kinda a waste of time Yep, merging the two Sub sets, as we've already said.
- jirachi doesn't deserve a shuca set, just mention it in ac of ebelt. also mention hp fire - stealth rock - energy ball - icy wind and stealth rock - iron head - thunderbolt - hidden power ice in the ac as well for stealth rock sets as they are useful. The current Mixed set is being essentially replaced with the Shuca Berry set. Expert Belt will get a heavy mention in AC.
- focus sash should be slashed on garchomp, but shouldn't be the main slash. it often isn't ohkod bar lati@s; even sashtar ice beam can't ko depending on ev's of both and rocky helmet / yache / haban or whatever are all really nice. We've agreed to put Rocky Helmet / Focus Sash as the main options. Yache / Haban are up for debate.
- king's rock should slashed on cloyster for sure It is now the first slash before NeverMeltIce. The other options have been dropped to AC.
- on the thundy-t analysis we should mention leftovers + focus blast / grass knot. it's cool since tyranitar always switches into lefties thundy-t expecting double dance to get ko'd by one of the respective moves This is on the to-do list.
- dd normal gem gyara (dd, waterfall, dedge, filler) is an effective rotom-w lure, ac or set? This is going to be slashed into offensive DD.
- flame orb latias (trick, draco, psyshock, roost/hwish) is wonderful, ac or set? We will be giving it a set. Someone has to do it.
- gastrodon's best spread (imo) is physically defensive. we should discuss this This warrants more discussion.
- i've used sub 3 atks keldeo before. gr8astard introduced it and it's pretty cool. could slash hp ice / ghost after cm on the subcm set and rename it sub We decided to slash Substitute after Calm Mind on offensive CM and rename it 'Offensive'.
- just ac twave on ferrothorn; mention to only use it if you're desperately weak to volcarona. it's substandard otherwise I will get on this.
- i wouldn't mind subswagger tornadus getting a set.. can beat its counters especially with spike support This warrants more discussion.
- slash hp fire with will-o-wisp on rotom-w to ohko offensive scizor / 2hko ferrothorn. mention a spread of 124 hp / 252 spa / 132 spe timid in ac to outspace breloom / dnite This warrants more discussion.
- TR cofag is cool as a spinblocker, someone should write him up We've agreed that this will happen.
- make landorus-t's pivot spread faster, 270 probably? Done.
- ac mention ice punch on gatr, typically a bastard child move between superpower and crunch and is not worth it I will do this.
- for subseed breloom, slash protect with sub and drain punch with focus punch and then rename it. it's a pretty cool set and protect makes it never die We're getting rid of SubSeed Breloom as it blows and making this a main set.
- give jellicent more speed ev's to outspeed wobb, slash shadow ball with status and ac mention shadow > scald As has been posted, this is up for discussion. We plan on AC'ing Speed and making no Speed the main option. Shadow Ball will be slashed with Scald, as we agreed non-status Jellicent sucks.
- slash water gem with leftovers on special attacker politoed and fix nasty slash order on defensive We need to discuss the defensive slash order, but Water Gem is slashed.
- physdef hippo > spdef This is done.
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More stuff to take care of:
- Salac Berry needs to be slashed first on SubSD Terrakion. I'm thinking Salac Berry / Rock Gem and dropping Life Orb to AC?
- Rock Slide is a good filler option on CB Terrakion. Slashes for the last slot to Rock Slide / Sacred Sword / Quick Attack or Sacred Sword / Rock Slide / Quick Attack?
- Politoed set order could be revised. I'm thinking Scarf/defensive/Specs/special attacker, since Scarf has become much better in this metagame.
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Current stuff to discuss:
- Defensive set slash order on Politoed. It is currently:
move 1: Scald
move 2: Protect / Ice Beam / Refresh
move 3: Perish Song / Encore
move 4: Toxic / Hypnosis
imo: AC Refresh and slash Ice Beam before Protect. Possibly AC Hypnosis? Not sure.
Dice said:
slash hp fire with will-o-wisp on rotom-w to ohko offensive scizor / 2hko ferrothorn. mention a spread of 124 hp / 252 spa / 132 spe timid in ac to outspace breloom / dnite
Dice said:
gastrodon's best spread (imo) is physically defensive. we should discuss this
Dice said:
i wouldn't mind subswagger tornadus getting a set.. can beat its counters especially with spike support
I agree with these points, but I want a consensus before we actually go through with them.
- We agreed to put Rocky Helmet / Focus Sash as the main slashes on SR Chomp. Slash Yache, Haban, or both?