Gen 6 Primal Kyogre

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I've been using Primal Ogre a little bit and found some success with this set:

Kyogre-Primal @ Blue Orb
Ability: Primordial Sea
EVs: 216 HP / 252 SpA / 40 Spe
Modest Nature
- Origin Pulse
- Ice Beam
- Calm Mind
- Thunder

The EV spread is probably bad, I was just trying to get some bulk and creep. Anyways, CM Primal Ogre is a pretty devastating breaker.

+1 252+ SpA Primal Kyogre Origin Pulse vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey in Rain: 331-391 (50.7 - 59.9%) -- 85.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 252+ SpA Kyogre Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ferrothorn in Rain: 183-216 (51.9 - 61.3%) -- 96.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

This should give you an idea of how powerful CM Primal Kyogre is. 180 SpA Origin Pulses in rain are just incredible strong. Ice Beam and Thunder are for general coverage purposes, those being Primal Don, Waters, Dragons, Grasses, etc. Primal Ogre has a niche in general because it really is so strong and also negates Desolate Land especially but also Delta Stream.
 
Ite so Mega Ray is gone now. This means a couple things: A big Kyogre check that was on almost every team is now gone. Also, with Mega Ray leaving, it opens up the meta to change from a mostly Hyper Offensive meta, making Primal Kyogre that much better. Thoughts on what Primal Kyogre can/will do in the new meta?
 
I believe that Primal Kyogre just gain more relevants as a Primal Groudon check because it can remove Groudon's weather and possibily force it out.
 
Jukain said:
I've been using Primal Ogre a little bit and found some success with this set:

Kyogre-Primal @ Blue Orb
Ability: Primordial Sea
EVs: 216 HP / 252 SpA / 40 Spe
Modest Nature
- Origin Pulse
- Ice Beam
- Calm Mind
- Thunder

The EV spread is probably bad, I was just trying to get some bulk and creep. Anyways, CM Primal Ogre is a pretty devastating breaker.

+1 252+ SpA Primal Kyogre Origin Pulse vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey in Rain: 331-391 (50.7 - 59.9%) -- 85.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 252+ SpA Kyogre Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ferrothorn in Rain: 183-216 (51.9 - 61.3%) -- 96.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

This should give you an idea of how powerful CM Primal Kyogre is. 180 SpA Origin Pulses in rain are just incredible strong. Ice Beam and Thunder are for general coverage purposes, those being Primal Don, Waters, Dragons, Grasses, etc. Primal Ogre has a niche in general because it really is so strong and also negates Desolate Land especially but also Delta Stream.
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This set is good imo. Have you considered running Blizzard? Sure it's inaccurate (about as much as Focus Blast), but it gets some big damage on common Primal Kyogre checks:

+1 252+ SpA Primal Kyogre Blizzard vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Soul Dew Latias: 268-316 (89 - 104.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
+1 252+ SpA Primal Kyogre Blizzard vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Soul Dew Latios: 310-366 (102.6 - 121.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252+ SpA Primal Kyogre Blizzard vs. 248 HP / 144 SpD Arceus-Grass: 382-450 (86.2 - 101.5%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
+1 252+ SpA Primal Kyogre Blizzard vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Primal Groudon: 276-325 (68.3 - 80.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 252+ SpA Primal Kyogre Blizzard vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Primal Groudon: 195-230 (48.2 - 56.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

If you're willing to risk the accuracy, the payoff can be pretty big.
 
Webs is probably the best was to use Primal Kyogre imo. Origin Pulse may not be Water Spout, but it is still powerful enough to spam once Groudon (if you didn't come in against it), the Eon Twins, and Palkia. This also allows bulk to be run much more easily, as well as guaranteeing you outspeed Groudon.
 
So I've been using a Primal
Crogre to some surprisingly good success.

Kyogre-Primal @ Blue Orb
Ability: Primordial Sea
EVs: 248 HP/ 252 Def/ 8 SpA
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Calm Mind
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

I found that this set is a great status absorber, taking on the many T-Wave, WoW, Sleep and Toxic users head on and setting up in their face and resting a few turns later.

The set has its drawbacks. Primal Groudon walls this when he switches in, and it can be phased, but once Crogre's checks are gone, it's not particularly easy to deal with once you have set up enough times.

+6 8 SpA Primal Kyogre Scald vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Blissey in Rain: 555-654 (85.1 - 100.3%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

Edit: Also, to add to the general discussion of Primal Kyogre, thanks to Mega Rayquaza's ban, justification to use Primal Kyogre just skyrocketed, as he's the only one to be able to change Primal Groudon's weather besides normal Rayquaza's (kind of) ability of Air Lock.
 
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Fireburn said:
This set is good imo. Have you considered running Blizzard? Sure it's inaccurate (about as much as Focus Blast), but it gets some big damage on common Primal Kyogre checks: +1 252+ SpA Primal Kyogre Blizzard vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Soul Dew Latias: 268-316 (89 - 104.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock +1 252+ SpA Primal Kyogre Blizzard vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Soul Dew Latios: 310-366 (102.6 - 121.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO +1 252+ SpA Primal Kyogre Blizzard vs. 248 HP / 144 SpD Arceus-Grass: 382-450 (86.2 - 101.5%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock +1 252+ SpA Primal Kyogre Blizzard vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Primal Groudon: 276-325 (68.3 - 80.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO +1 252+ SpA Primal Kyogre Blizzard vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Primal Groudon: 195-230 (48.2 - 56.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock If you're willing to risk the accuracy, the payoff can be pretty big.
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Its 50% accuracy in rain, or am I missing a mechanics change? Idk why anyone would risk that when it has ice beam
 
kingmidas said:
Its 50% accuracy in rain, or am I missing a mechanics change? Idk why anyone would risk that when it has ice beam
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Blizzard, Thunder, and Hurricane are only at 50% accuracy in the sun. In all other weather (aside from Hail obviously), Blizzard is 70% accurate.
 
Never thought I'd see people running Blizzard over Ice Beam, the a accuracy drop made it seem to risky to use. At this point would it be better to replace Ice Beam with Blizzard?
 
cornmaster said:
Never thought I'd see people running Blizzard over Ice Beam, the a accuracy drop made it seem to risky to use. At this point would it be better to replace Ice Beam with Blizzard?
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On Kyogre, yes, because the things it is trying the hit with it, like the Sould Dew Latis, are so massively specially bulky that the extra power really helps. Same reason why Xerneas runs Thunder instead of Thunderbolt.
 
TheTraininator said:
On Kyogre, yes, because the things it is trying the hit with it, like the Sould Dew Latis, are so massively specially bulky that the extra power really helps. Same reason why Xerneas runs Thunder instead of Thunderbolt.
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Ah alright. Guess I'll swap out ice beam for blizzard then and see how it goes.
 
Jibaku said:
I think Primal Kyogre will hold up fine. One important aspect that I think is being overlooked is its ability to override Desolate Land. If you find an opening to send Primal Kyogre in on Primal Groudon, you can deal serious damage. Because PDon generally covers Kyogre so well, some people may not have the best backup answers if PDon no longer has the weather to stop it. Can also be used to check PDon in a pinch (try not to send it into PDon's Ground STAB...), as POgre is one of the few things in the game that can OHKO it.

With Delta Stream and Desolate Land running around (or even Primordial Sea), I have a feeling that regular Kyogre will also struggle making Drizzle actually stick around to be much use as a team supporter.
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One thing to be careful of, is that switching Primal Kyogre into Primal Groudon runs the risk of a free Swords Dance.
+2 Thunder Punch = 1HKO
 
G50 said:
One thing to be careful of, is that switching Primal Kyogre into Primal Groudon runs the risk of a free Swords Dance.
+2 Thunder Punch = 1HKO
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Thunder Punch is a pretty useless move on Pdon. Unboosted Precipice Blades has more base power after STAB and OHKOs Kyogre after SR.

252+ Atk Primal Groudon Precipice Blades vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kyogre: 301-355 (88.2 - 104.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

Max HP variants are also easily 2HKOed without the need of any boosts.
 
I like how people are very impressed that +1 Origin Pulse from CM P Ogre 2HKOs Blissey

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I guess that you can put in the op the Calm Mind Rest Talk too, it's true that it's completely walled by PDon but it's a rly consistent setup sweeper, especially against stall / fat n slow teams in general. I know that being walled by the most common mon is huge but it's not like you can kill it n then sweep, in addition kyogre can switch-in on PDon by itself (EQ n PB do a ton tho) and force it out
 
I've found that most of the time, if your opponent has a primal groudon and you have a kyogre, they are more likely to lead with their groudon to counter your rain. If been using primal kyogre as a lead with 30 speed ivs to kindof reverse speed creep the primal groudon and get up rain. This also gives you a free turn to do whatever (use a water move, calm mind, t-wave, Etc.) unless they run t-wave. This could also help with that avalanche idea to get more power without having to run brave nature.
 
Nebulon_Zeta said:
I've found that most of the time, if your opponent has a primal groudon and you have a kyogre, they are more likely to lead with their groudon to counter your rain. If been using primal kyogre as a lead with 30 speed ivs to kindof reverse speed creep the primal groudon and get up rain. This also gives you a free turn to do whatever (use a water move, calm mind, t-wave, Etc.) unless they run t-wave. This could also help with that avalanche idea to get more power without having to run brave nature.
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Or you could not lead with Kyorge so you can speed creep stuff. They'll probably have a Lati anyway so you're going to be forced out regardless.
 
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