I think rather than illustrating to Christos the function of the BL tier, one might rather illustrate the purpose of tiers in general. When I look at a list containing Pokémon of all the various tiers, why am I more inclined to use an OU Pokémon than a UU Pokémon? Because OU Pokémon are good in OU, as determined by the usage statistics. If we made BL the name for what is currently UU, and removed what is currently BL, the OU list would cease to simply indicate Pokémon that are good in OU, but rather Pokémon that would otherwise be too good in UU as well. This has no competitive relevance for a person wishing to play the OU tier, as well as being misleading.
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Rarely Used (RU) Tier
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You can still use Snover.
I have to disagree, just becuase its banned fro UU, does not mean its OU material. Gallade and Staraptor had little to no use in 4th gen OU, so the OU list is a good list of pokemon to use, and BL has no relivence to that. I would argue that hopefully it helps new players to not use BL pokemon if they don't need it, as if it was on the OU list they might use them redily.
I nominate 'Not Terrible Enough' or NTE for NU's banlist.
That wouldn't be accurate, as a banlist is composed of Pokemon that are too good for the tier in question, and its performance in any other tier is irrelevant. For example, a Pokemon might be overpowered in UU but used less than the majority of UU Pokemon in OU.
(And yes, I know that you were joking).
That was exactly my point, haha. I'm saying that including "good UUs" in the OU list is misleading.
For somereason I thought you ment the other thing >.>
Changing Tier Names to Tier Numbers would be fantastic imo. Garchomp is a Tier 1 threat even sounds better than Garchomp is an OU threat.
Changing tiers to numbers I fear might take out the usage the is needed in tiering, which most people like.
This is off topic now though, if anyone honestly cares enough about this, post a thread.
This is off topic now though, if anyone honestly cares enough about this, post a thread.
lol, no
We made a new tier in between UU and NU. BL is the same as it's always been.
Changing the tier names to numbers was brought up in Policy Review and never resolved, that's why it hasn't (and most likely won't) been changed.
all I can say is: NFE
I think the RU banlist might have been a little TOO large (but not by too much IMO) - so theres gonna be a lot of NFE pokes running around with Eviolites...
fun, fun, fun >_<
I think the RU banlist might have been a little TOO large (but not by too much IMO) - so theres gonna be a lot of NFE pokes running around with Eviolites...
fun, fun, fun >_<
The most relevant users of Eviolite(Porygon2, Chansey and Dusclops) are not legal for RU play...
Plus things like SmashPass still exist down here, so that's a far bigger issue than Eviolite, IMO.
It has good potential, plus it puts the whole metagame through a fine tooth comb which is usually good since that only happens when a new gen/add on to a gen is released ;)
I'm no stall player, but I found RU stall to be very bad. However, there are a few pokemon that seem to work on balance teams:
Alomomola:
Possible the premier bulky Water in the teir, as well as the best wish user by far. I've managed to outstall grass-types with this thing, and it's physical bulk is not to be underestimated. Think Vaporeon. Except with less Sp.Def and offense.
Audino:
Actually is a pretty decent special sponge. Wish and Regenerator allows it to also pass wishes well. However, it kind of lacks in the department of doing anything besides Toxic. It dosen't even get S-Toss.
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Now onto something else:
Venomoth and Yanmega are both utterly broken in this metagame. Venomoth can Quiver Dance on something that can't beat it, and then Sleep it's counter, before abuseing Tinted Lens and Bug Buzzing everything to kingdom come. It can also run Psychic for excellent coverage, as anothing in RU x4 resists both types... except Shedinja. Mercifully, most scarfed pokemon outspeed +1 Venomoth... but you've still probobly lost something to sleep, and the Venomoth's weaknesses are generally Special... which Quiver Dance helps to protect it from. It's either that... or risk Stone Miss.
Yanmega is a different story, as it abuses Speed Boost and it's already obscene Sp.Attack. Protect, Bug Buzz and 2 coverage moves seems to be the order of it's day, and Giga Drain allows it to keep healthy while using a Life Orb, while also beating Rock-types.
Both of these bugs are very difficult to defeat, and letting either of them have a single turn is fatal.
Alomomola:
Possible the premier bulky Water in the teir, as well as the best wish user by far. I've managed to outstall grass-types with this thing, and it's physical bulk is not to be underestimated. Think Vaporeon. Except with less Sp.Def and offense.
Audino:
Actually is a pretty decent special sponge. Wish and Regenerator allows it to also pass wishes well. However, it kind of lacks in the department of doing anything besides Toxic. It dosen't even get S-Toss.
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Now onto something else:
Venomoth and Yanmega are both utterly broken in this metagame. Venomoth can Quiver Dance on something that can't beat it, and then Sleep it's counter, before abuseing Tinted Lens and Bug Buzzing everything to kingdom come. It can also run Psychic for excellent coverage, as anothing in RU x4 resists both types... except Shedinja. Mercifully, most scarfed pokemon outspeed +1 Venomoth... but you've still probobly lost something to sleep, and the Venomoth's weaknesses are generally Special... which Quiver Dance helps to protect it from. It's either that... or risk Stone Miss.
Yanmega is a different story, as it abuses Speed Boost and it's already obscene Sp.Attack. Protect, Bug Buzz and 2 coverage moves seems to be the order of it's day, and Giga Drain allows it to keep healthy while using a Life Orb, while also beating Rock-types.
Both of these bugs are very difficult to defeat, and letting either of them have a single turn is fatal.
So I've been testing a Stallish team, and Claydol is really fun for me. I use a TrickScarfRockSpin set...and it works. People switch in things nillywilly on him and get promptly tricked, then later he's generally setting up his Rocks and he'll spin too. Especially fun if opposing Dusknoirs (so far the most common ghost I've seen about) think they get a free switch in on the Spin.
Yanmega beat me solely by virtue of Stone Edge missing and his next Air Slash critting my Moltres into oblivion. Otherwise, no issues with the overgrown dragonfly here.
Venomoth, I have yet to encounter.
Clefable seems to be a popular choice too, but SubRoost Moltres makes short work of that. Speaking of which, amazing poke.
Magic Coat Cresselia is fun. People who think "Hey a Cresselia, loltaunt" are in for a nasty surprise with that thing, and since snow isn't THAT common, it can use Moonlight with relative reliability. Lack of attacking prowess is annoying but it can wall sooooo much...
Dusknoir hasn't disappointed me yet. Greedy Rhyperiors get two-shotted by Focus Punch/Shadow Sneak after Rocks while they try to Rock Polish. Often enough 'Noir is found behind a sub too, meaning that unless they attack fast enough, their Rhyperior is gone without even inflicting a scratch.
Oh, and Mandibuzz might not need to get in a lot, but when it does...yeah, have fun trying to break it. Walled a Krookodile Stone Edging it, not even being threatened the 2HKO...though it was a scarfed one, it's not like the Krook is a weakling.
Yanmega beat me solely by virtue of Stone Edge missing and his next Air Slash critting my Moltres into oblivion. Otherwise, no issues with the overgrown dragonfly here.
Venomoth, I have yet to encounter.
Clefable seems to be a popular choice too, but SubRoost Moltres makes short work of that. Speaking of which, amazing poke.
Magic Coat Cresselia is fun. People who think "Hey a Cresselia, loltaunt" are in for a nasty surprise with that thing, and since snow isn't THAT common, it can use Moonlight with relative reliability. Lack of attacking prowess is annoying but it can wall sooooo much...
Dusknoir hasn't disappointed me yet. Greedy Rhyperiors get two-shotted by Focus Punch/Shadow Sneak after Rocks while they try to Rock Polish. Often enough 'Noir is found behind a sub too, meaning that unless they attack fast enough, their Rhyperior is gone without even inflicting a scratch.
Oh, and Mandibuzz might not need to get in a lot, but when it does...yeah, have fun trying to break it. Walled a Krookodile Stone Edging it, not even being threatened the 2HKO...though it was a scarfed one, it's not like the Krook is a weakling.
Ok then since borderline is a UU banlist but OU is not it means that blissey isn't as good as cresselia and it may become a UU one day if it usefulness falls and it will be killed much more easily than cresselia.Totally logical...
I won't keep up with this conversation because there's no point to do so.
1)I would like to learn what are the obvious reasons.I can explain to you via pm or vm what i meant with '' for obvious reasons '' if you want.
2)I just said my opinion and about 5-10 people started talking about and i just answered to explain better what i meant.
3)Thank you :)
Super excited. A ton of my favorite pkmn fall in this tier, can't wait to throw some teams together once work slows down.
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