Rebellion (Code Geass Theme Team)

[Pyong]

Yes, this is a theme team, but a competitive one!
This team took a lot of time to be finished, and had a lot of versions, but it's finally concluded.

Overview

The plan is simple: Attack in the early game with azelf, causing some switches and scouting the opponent's team. After that, i try to predict the opponent, who (hopefully) already showed some of it's team.
My team itself relies on bulkymons with offensive capacities and fast hard-hitters.

~~Freija
Azelf@ Expert Belt
Naive 6 Atk/252 Satk/252 Spd
-U Turn
-Explosion
-Fire Blast
-Psychic


My favorite mon :D
Really, that thing is my source of early-game confusion in the opponent's team. Being a lead, everyone thinks that he is a suicidezelf, but he isn't!
Then, after i u-turn and they see no Life Orb damage, everyone thinks that he holds scarf. All that mindgame helps me a lot, causing switches, damaging counters and earning the battle lead.
In the late-game, Freija usually helps me, revenge killing and/or exploding.

~~Shinkirou
Suicune@ Leftovers
Bold 252 HP/96 Def/56 Satk/88 Sdef/16 Spd
-Surf
-Calm Mind
-Rest
-Sleep Talk


First, i'm going to explain the EV's:
252 HP is pretty obvious, it gives me overall better defensive stats.
96 Def with bold Nature makes suicune very sturdy physically, helping with random attackers.
56 Satk, isn't optimized or anything like that, but alredy helped me a lot.
88 Sdef helps suicune taking some Tbolts/Grass Knots, before the Calm Mind (Gengar tbolts for exemple) and after (Zapdos).
16 Speed. Now that is random, but with that, suicune can (sometimes) outspeed some agilitygrosses, TTars with speed EV's, Cresselia and etc. And, srsly,they do not make great difference if placed in another stat.
The EV spread can be better, i know. If someone finds a better spread (not a max def one), please post here :D
Well, overall, suicune helps me with Bulkywaters, Heatran, Mixmence, Blissey (not CM ones), TyraniBoah and taking status.

~~Lancelot
Lucario@ Life Orb
Adamant 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
-Close Combat
-BulletPunch
-Extremespeed
-Swords Dance

Ok, i'm unable to give a full explanation for why lucario is here, but i'll try:
He gives my team that late-game sweeping power and helps me with some nice resists(Hi TTar).
Gengar is serious business, so...Bullet Punch ftw.

~~Lloyd
Porygon 2@ Leftovers
Bold 252 HP/240 Def/16 Spd
-Thunderbolt
-Ice Beam
-Recover
-Thunder Wave

My answer to Gyarados and Salamence.
Why almost max def? Because sometimes, a TTar switches into pz, and i just Twave, safe with the max def. (anyway, there isn't any stat that needs a buff).
Twave also helps with greddy Jirachis, switching into P2.

~~Marianne
Nidoqueen@ Leftovers
Impish 252 HP/252 Def/6 Spd
-Earthquake
-Aerial Ace
-Stealth Rock
-Toxic Spikes

Nidoqueen, a really important piece of my defensive core.
Heracross and Lucario can't do shit do Nidoqueen, and she also helps with Ttar.
Why not Gliscor? One reason: Toxic Spikes
With Toxic Spikes, Suicune becomes really dangerous, stalling and damaging the opponent every turn.
Also, without toxic spikes, my team usually have some problems with Ttar.
Max def is a must, 'cause she has no recovery move.
Oh, and stealth rock is pretty obvious.

~~Charles
Swampert@ Leftovers
Impish 252 HP/120 Def/136 Sdef
-Waterfall
-Curse
-Rest
-SleepTalk

Curse swampert, together with suicune and toxic spikes, forms a really powerfull combo.
Swamperts is the final part of my defensive core. I got no real counters to Ttar and Gengar, but a lot of mons to help with these two.
Swampert also counters Metagross and HPgrassless magnezones.




My team has no "big" weakness, but Infernape is troublesome, but usually i predict and he dies without doing major damage to my team.
Abomasnow is troublesome to, but only before i used toxic spikes.

So, rate my team, and ALL HAIL LELOUCH!



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[Kiryu]

I named my Lucario "Zero". Shinkirou is an appropriate name for Suicine! Just wanted to share in the Code Geass love. Now I want to name something Guren.

 

[Thorns]

Porygon2 is your Gyarados counter, I understand, but there's nothing stopping an enemy CBGyara from using Waterfall on the switch, and again for the KO. Situational as that may be, it has happened to me multiple times. I suggest using a Scarfed Porygon Z, to outspeed all variants of Gyarados, and with the right EV investment, can survive a non-crit DD'd or CB'd Waterfall off a max attack Gyarados.

Porygon-Z @ Choice Scarf
Modest
EVs: 90 HP / 168 SpA / 252 Spd
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Dark Pulse
- Tri Attack

The HP EVs will, at worst, let you always survive a non-crit Waterfall by 1 HP.

 

[Scofield]

Porygon 2 makes a great gyarados counter. After p2 switches in and traces intimidate, CBGyara (252 adamant), this is what happens:

Defender HP: 374
Damage: 111 - 130
Damage: 29.68% - 34.76%

Looks like a pretty solid counter to me.

 

[Thorns]

Oh sorry, I must have clicked something wrong on the damage calculator. Well, the PZ idea is still up there if you need extra offense.

 

[ryomou]

with the exception of nidoqueen, you seem to have a large lucario weakness; the very lucario build you have can ohko your entire team after a swords dance. this could be somewhat remedied by turning either suicune or swampert into a phazer, thus preventing lucario from getting the necessary boost. additionally, you're somewhat at a loss if specsmence comes in (gasp) and starts draco meteoring the crap out of your pokes. with your lack of real dragon resists, i can easily envision one of those wreaking havoc. maybe replace lucario with metagross, who's a lot more defensive and provides the same powerful hits you're looking for.

additionally, what bothers me a lot more about this team is that it doesn't seem to have a real "winning plan". sure, hit hard with azelf in the earlygame, set up some hazards, and then what? your hazards get spun away, azelf dies to pursuit, and you're left with some stallish pokes and a lucario who doesn't get the chance to set up. while you do have a strong defensive core, much of their potential is wasted when you can't make use of the moves you've chosen.

if you want to keep it very stallish, i would suggest getting some sort of a spin blocker and ditching azelf. gengar could potentially act as a spin blocker and achieve the same goal as azelf, but it's far too fragile to consistently block.

bottom line though, i don't see any strategy to win with this team and you certainly need to establish that before i can make more solid suggestions.

p.s. i'm building my own, balanced, "kodo giasu" team for platinum, so maybe we could battle in a couple of months once i've finished working on it. geass is a really fun anime, and while i might disagree with the way you've chosen nicknames, props for using it as a theme. :)

 

[ToF]

I'd much rather run an offensive version of Suicune as opposed to the RestTalk version you currently have. Reason for this is that Suicune can break down those walls that you are having trouble with (aka Zapdos and Salamence). The only thing that walls the offensive version as opposed to the RestTalk is Blissey, for which you have Lucario.

Also, I'd much rather just run the Suicide lead Azelf as opposed to yours. Ditch U-turn for Rocks, and give Nidoqueen Fire Blast for Skarmory, who you have some issues with. Quick Stealth Rocks always helps Lucario do what he needs to do.

I would also consider maxing out Swampert's Special Defense, considering nothing can really take Specsmence's attacks. You lose a bit of coverage on Tyranitar, but you also gain more coverage on Gengar, so its up to you. Personally, I think you can shuffle around Tyranitar, so I would go the max sp.def manner.

Good luck!

 

[Tangerine]

Porygon2 is your Gyarados counter, I understand, but there's nothing stopping an enemy CBGyara from using Waterfall on the switch, and again for the KO. Situational as that may be, it has happened to me multiple times. I suggest using a Scarfed Porygon Z, to outspeed all variants of Gyarados, and with the right EV investment, can survive a non-crit DD'd or CB'd Waterfall off a max attack Gyarados.

Sure, now you have scared it off, and you are locked onto thunderbolt, giving your opponent a chance to set up, with Porygon Z now in critical health. "now what"?

Porygon 2 is *fine* as a Gyarados counter, in fact, it is the best in the game. If the Gyarados is CB and it waterfalls you then you can switch to Suicune. BTW, CB Gyarados does around ~35% with Waterfall after an Intimidate (which pory 2 will have), meaning you can recover off the damage anyway ~_~

meaning, "what the hell are you talking about"

with the exception of nidoqueen, you seem to have a large lucario weakness;

This is equivalent to saying "with the exception of Blissey, you seem to have a large special attacker weakness"

Nidoqueen is a fine Lucario counter. Just like Lucario, or DD Mence is. It's fine.

the very lucario build you have can ohko your entire team after a swords dance. this could be somewhat remedied by turning either suicune or swampert into a phazer, thus preventing lucario from getting the necessary boost.

How the hell are you going to phaze? Skarmory? Who gets OHKOd by SD CC? You're not going to prevent Lucario from getting the boost unless Lucario is right in front of you...

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Celebi might pose huge problems to your team - considering nothing you have is really coming in on it and dealing with it, and the fact that Celebi can cripple Lucario and Azelf and beat Suicune and Swampert.

I would consider removing something for Spiritomb, possibly Suicune, since Spirtomb can do the same thing (Restalk Calm Mind Dark Pulse). This way you also have a spin blocker. Adding more SpDef to Swampert like ToF suggested will help you against Heatrans (or maybe the fact that you have a Porygon 2 who also walls Heatrans like no other). I would also run Stealth Rock on Azelf - no reason not to run it, really, and gives you a bigger incentive to run a Spin Blocker.

 

[ryomou]

How the hell are you going to phaze? Skarmory? Who gets OHKOd by SD CC? You're not going to prevent Lucario from getting the boost unless Lucario is right in front of you...

by "turn them into a phazer" i literally meant turn them into a phazer. give suicune or swampert roar. lucario is clearly not going to be boosting up on the other four team members, and while it may seem like a really good reason NOT to fear lucario, i simply can't just ignore the fact that it dominates 5/6 of the team. perhaps it's just my own preference, and i do apologize for inserting that--i tend not to like relying on single walls against single threats, because of (for example) teams that concentrate on eliminating counters for certain sweepers.

in any case, i'm still confused about the "winning strategy" i mentioned earlier, because i still don't see one. my question stands: what really DOES happen in the endgame?

 

[Doma Orichalcos]

I was going to say replace Luke for Scizor which can also be a Pursuiter and thank goodness for Technician, all it takes is one SDance and you're good to go.

It's up to you. Great Team.

 

[Pyong]

I named my Lucario "Zero". Shinkirou is an appropriate name for Suicine! Just wanted to share in the Code Geass love. Now I want to name something Guren.

Humm, my Heatran once had the "guren mk II" nickname.

Oh sorry, I must have clicked something wrong on the damage calculator. Well, the PZ idea is still up there if you need extra offense.

The problem with pz is: he isn't very reliable. After a couple of hits, pz dies and i lost the game D:

with the exception of nidoqueen, you seem to have a large lucario weakness; the very lucario build you have can ohko your entire team after a swords dance. this could be somewhat remedied by turning either suicune or swampert into a phazer, thus preventing lucario from getting the necessary boost. additionally, you're somewhat at a loss if specsmence comes in (gasp) and starts draco meteoring the crap out of your pokes. with your lack of real dragon resists, i can easily envision one of those wreaking havoc. maybe replace lucario with metagross, who's a lot more defensive and provides the same powerful hits you're looking for.

additionally, what bothers me a lot more about this team is that it doesn't seem to have a real "winning plan". sure, hit hard with azelf in the earlygame, set up some hazards, and then what? your hazards get spun away, azelf dies to pursuit, and you're left with some stallish pokes and a lucario who doesn't get the chance to set up. while you do have a strong defensive core, much of their potential is wasted when you can't make use of the moves you've chosen.

if you want to keep it very stallish, i would suggest getting some sort of a spin blocker and ditching azelf. gengar could potentially act as a spin blocker and achieve the same goal as azelf, but it's far too fragile to consistently block.

bottom line though, i don't see any strategy to win with this team and you certainly need to establish that before i can make more solid suggestions.

p.s. i'm building my own, balanced, "kodo giasu" team for platinum, so maybe we could battle in a couple of months once i've finished working on it. geass is a really fun anime, and while i might disagree with the way you've chosen nicknames, props for using it as a theme. :)

Well, before nidoqueen, my team was extremely lucario weak, but now i fell safe against him. But i know what you are trying to say, every single member from my team gets OHKOed by a SD lucario, and even with a solid counter, this can be dangerous.

The "winning plan" really don't exist. But, scouting the opponent team, i usually make a "winning plan" in the battle.Yea, it doesn't really sounds good, but believe me, it works :D

Gengar>>>Azelf is a good opition, i'm going to test that, thanks.

Specsmence can be a real problem, maybe i could add some sdef to suicune.

And about the nicknames, i once had a version of this team with veri good nicknames and etc, but it wasn't very competitive. I had a gardeivor named C.C >> Porygon2, but p2 is better overall.

And yep, when you finish that team, we can battle :D (humm, maybe a Themed battle?)

I'd much rather run an offensive version of Suicune as opposed to the RestTalk version you currently have. Reason for this is that Suicune can break down those walls that you are having trouble with (aka Zapdos and Salamence). The only thing that walls the offensive version as opposed to the RestTalk is Blissey, for which you have Lucario.

Also, I'd much rather just run the Suicide lead Azelf as opposed to yours. Ditch U-turn for Rocks, and give Nidoqueen Fire Blast for Skarmory, who you have some issues with. Quick Stealth Rocks always helps Lucario do what he needs to do.

I would also consider maxing out Swampert's Special Defense, considering nothing can really take Specsmence's attacks. You lose a bit of coverage on Tyranitar, but you also gain more coverage on Gengar, so its up to you. Personally, I think you can shuffle around Tyranitar, so I would go the max sp.def manner.

Good luck!

Well, i'm going to try suicide zelf.

About the suicune, i'm not very good with the "offensive suicune".

And about swampert, more sdef looks good, but not max. Maybe 176 sdef/80 def with a careful nature?

Thanks.

Sure, now you have scared it off, and you are locked onto thunderbolt, giving your opponent a chance to set up, with Porygon Z now in critical health. "now what"?

Porygon 2 is *fine* as a Gyarados counter, in fact, it is the best in the game. If the Gyarados is CB and it waterfalls you then you can switch to Suicune. BTW, CB Gyarados does around ~35% with Waterfall after an Intimidate (which pory 2 will have), meaning you can recover off the damage anyway ~_~

meaning, "what the hell are you talking about"



This is equivalent to saying "with the exception of Blissey, you seem to have a large special attacker weakness"

Nidoqueen is a fine Lucario counter. Just like Lucario, or DD Mence is. It's fine.



How the hell are you going to phaze? Skarmory? Who gets OHKOd by SD CC? You're not going to prevent Lucario from getting the boost unless Lucario is right in front of you...

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Celebi might pose huge problems to your team - considering nothing you have is really coming in on it and dealing with it, and the fact that Celebi can cripple Lucario and Azelf and beat Suicune and Swampert.

I would consider removing something for Spiritomb, possibly Suicune, since Spirtomb can do the same thing (Restalk Calm Mind Dark Pulse). This way you also have a spin blocker. Adding more SpDef to Swampert like ToF suggested will help you against Heatrans (or maybe the fact that you have a Porygon 2 who also walls Heatrans like no other). I would also run Stealth Rock on Azelf - no reason not to run it, really, and gives you a bigger incentive to run a Spin Blocker.

Spiritomb over suicune looks good, and i'm going to test that. I used the Calm mind/Rest/Sleep Talk/Dark Pulse set before in a Stall team, and he works wonders blocking spin.

Huh, yea, Celebi is a bitch. Spiritomb can help with that, but he can't beat suicune (after i used Calm Mind once). But i know, i got nothing to switch against him. CM versions are even worst. Spiritomb solves that problem.

Thanks.

by "turn them into a phazer" i literally meant turn them into a phazer. give suicune or swampert roar. lucario is clearly not going to be boosting up on the other four team members, and while it may seem like a really good reason NOT to fear lucario, i simply can't just ignore the fact that it dominates 5/6 of the team. perhaps it's just my own preference, and i do apologize for inserting that--i tend not to like relying on single walls against single threats, because of (for example) teams that concentrate on eliminating counters for certain sweepers.

in any case, i'm still confused about the "winning strategy" i mentioned earlier, because i still don't see one. my question stands: what really DOES happen in the endgame?

Like i said before, Lucario can be troublesome. But imo, giving suicune/wampert roar don't help. Swampert just curses to avoid the close combat OHKO (can't switch into lucario, but i win in the 1X1) and OHKO him after the sdef drop. Suicune just surfes him, and my own lucario finish him with extremespeed (after the def drop and LO damage).

What about a Jolly max attack/speed infernape with Swords Dance/Close Combat/Fire Punch/Mach Punch over Lucario? He helps me revenge killing Lucario, at least.

I was going to say replace Luke for Scizor which can also be a Pursuiter and thank goodness for Technician, all it takes is one SDance and you're good to go.

It's up to you. Great Team.

Scizor with bullet punch is somethingi'm going to test. And a pursuit scizor helps me with Gengar, so maybe in the future...

 

[Pyong]

First and last bump.

 

[ViralKite]

Run Aura Sphere Lucario maybe instead. Lucario reminds me more of Gawain. Though, I would've never thought of Shinkirou for Suicune. xD

I'd prefer if you added SpecsMence. I think it'll be a hard enough hitter for you. It's head also looks like a Gawain Hadron cannon lulz.