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Gengar/Scizor/Gyarados/Garchomp/Heatran/Deoxys-S






Gengar @ focus sash
timid
252 speed/ 252 sp atk/ 6 hp
-shadow ball
-thunderbolt
-hypnosis
-destiny bond

Gengar is usually a good lead. It can sleep the slower leads or damage them with its good sp atk. If there's a scarfgar lead, it can take the hit with focus sash and kill with its own shadow ball. Gengar can switch in so easily with its 3 resistances. Then, when its HP gets low and there is a trouble pokemon that I need to take out, I'll destiny bond :)

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Scizor @ choice band
adamant
252 atk / 252 sp def / 6 hp
-pursuit
-u-turn
-x-scissor/quick attack
-iron head

Scizor will kill the starmies, celebis, and cresselias that want to kill my gyarados (next). All three won't like the bug attacks or pursuit. I like packing the two bug attacks because uturn is so useful. I can uturn to get the jump on the next switch in. X-Scissor is stronger and I can stay in. Iron head is for stab and coverage. I'm considering quick attack over x-scissor, so it can take out speedy, but fragile sweepers.
I gave scizor 252 sp def EVs so it can switch in on starmie easierly and kill with pursuit.


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Gyarados @ leftovers
Adamant
216 HP / 16 Atk / 132 Def / 144 Spe
-Dragon dance
-waterfall
-taunt
-stone edge

Once gyarados' counters are taken out by scizor, it can dragon dance up and sweep. I like stone edge on it to handle opposing gyarados and salamences because they like to switch in and intimidate. Gyarados switch in on ground attacks aimed at Heatran (below). This EV spread makes it outspeed gengar after a dd so it can ko it with waterfall.

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Garchomp @ choice scarf
adamant
252 atk / 252 speed / 6 hp(or the standard scarfchomp set. I can't find it)
-outrage
-earthquake
-dragon claw/crunch
-fire blast

Scarfchomp is a great revenge killer. Once I'm sure there aren't steels and ice sharders, I can outrage freely and destroy the enemy. I may put dragno claw on it because I want to use a dragon attack without locking into outrage yet. Garchomp can get free switch ins from thunderbolts/waves aimed at gyarados.

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Heatran @ leftovers
modest
252 HP / 96 Def / 100 SpA / 60 SpD
-lava plume
-earth power
-rest
-sleep talk

Heatran will absorb the fire attacks aimed at scizor. It will also be my sleep absorber.

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Deoxys-S @ life orb
hasty
160 Atk / 252 SpA / 96 Spe
-psychic
-superpower
-ice beam
-thunderbolt

I couldn't think of anything else so I picked this because its so fast and can hit with super effective hits. If yall can think of anything to replace this, go ahead. I'm not sure about this pokemon though.
 
Well a problem I see is the lack of a Gyarados counter. An offensice Gyarados can come in on maybe 4/6 of your team then set up a Dragon Dance. I would replace Gengar and add in a Celebi. Celebi still does fine as a lead (though Gyarados is okay also) and you should give it Stealth rock since nothing you have sets it up. Grass Knot and Recover are pretty much mandatory so that leaves a moveslot open. Reflect, Leech Seed, Thunderwave, and HP Ice are all options depending on what you want more. You have a pretty offensive team already so I dont think lack of power hurts you too much, but you may not want to lose status (in which case you should use Thunderwave).

For Scizor I can see Quick Attack being more useful than X-Scissor to finish off weakened sweepers or fast fraile sweepers. The rest looks fine.
 
I think Gyarados is an effective gyarados counter with intimidate and stone edge. Also, if its too much of a problem, I can always get heatran to explode on it or get garchomp to outrage it. Both should outspeed even after dd because of scarf.

I don't really want a celebi because I like my offensive style team getting free switch ins on immunities. Gengar is a big part of it since it has 3 immunities and it has hypnosis which can really annoy them.

For scizor, I'll consider quick attack, but I already have 3 fast sweepers (gengar, garchomp, and heatran). So quick attack may not be needed.
 
I think Gyarados is an effective gyarados counter with intimidate and stone edge
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Well, you can't expect to counter a Pokemon by using its mirror. What if that Gyarados carries Stone Edge too?
 
Well, both gyarados can get stone edged. I'm not sure, but I don't think gyarados can ko each other with a stone edge.

My gyarados one of the things I have to take on enemy ones b/c I can't fit anything else here.

Maybe I'll put another counter in place of machamp...
 
i dont hav much to say but im thinking about maybe putting destiny bond on the gengar after sash is activated but its just my preference no big deal
 
Gengar needs Focus Blast for tons of things. Without it, Blissey, Tyranitar, Weavile, and Snorlax get a free switchin, Tyranitar and Weavile can Pursuit for the kill without it.
 
oh, I think I'd just put blissey, tyranitar, and snorlax to sleep with hypnosis or just switch to machamp. Weavile will be bad if it has pursuit, but I'll still switch to machamp and hope it doesn't have pursuit. Maybe I'll hypnosis when they switch to weavile.

I like the idea of Destiny bond, so I'm going to use that.
 
I edited Scizors EVs so it can switch into starmie better.

Right now, I think having 3 choiced pokemon is a bit too much. Should I make heatran a resttalker? If I do, who should I replace machamp with?
 
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I made heatran a rest talker. Because heatran is now my resttalker, I got rid of machamp. I can't think of anything to fill in for it. Right now I put in deoxys -S just because it's a nice revenge killer/late game sweeper. Deoxys is replace able though. What do yall think?
 
Do not bump more than once, or triple post for that matter. Just because you didn't actually say the word 'bump' doesn't mean you took action in following what is required to 'bump' a topic. Three consecutive posts in a space of ten days is not permitted, fostmeister.
 
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