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Let's assume Obi's Day 2 post isn't BS, and basics actually came in from a room. Then, we could assume that perhaps there's a Betrayer/Wrathful/Lustful that can act on his/her own, like the wolf? However, i'd still think 2deaths=2factions, so i dont think we can infer anything from Obi's posts other than it's well written. We were only a handful of lustful to begin with, but i think with 3 gone it'll be hard to take down the mafia factions through lynching unless we get some other handy powers.
 
Lord Gloom said:
Though I admit that that was a good use of your limited resources, it seems like an odd extrapolation to me for a few reasons:

1) My name is taken from the Perry Bible Fellowship comic, Lord Gloom. Though you could obviously drop the "Lord" and be left with the Pokemon Gloom (this IS a Pokemon site, after all), it totally discounts the character that my name is actually based on.

2) Obi never said the smell was specifically "foul", just "strange". That could point to Fishin or m0nkfish (fish are commonly described as smelling funny, you know that I'm sure) as easily as it could to me. Also, given the situation, cookie or cook could be described as smelling funny. It would be odd if you smelled cookies right after a murder, don't you agree?

I'm not trying to indict anyone, just attempting to clear myself before you all attempt to bandwagon me. Bandwagoning with no solid evidence (although this is obviously more evidence than we had on Bioshock) has already cost us a villager.

Also, all this conjecture is based on purely circumstantial evidence; who said Obi was even giving clues in this manner?
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Yeah, I totally agree. But if we don't at least try to point at someone we'll never get anywhere xD

I wouldn't bandwagon anyone until we had solid evidence, hence why I didn't vote Bioshock earlier. I was just trying to find any small element of a clue in Obi's post. No one can be 100% sure of anything in this game.

I just feel that Obi must be leaving some kind of clue, or we'll have no chance. As we could still lose potentially 2 people every night, though this will become less likely as time goes on. But without solid evidence, lynching someone seems stuid.
 
im waiting for a Pm from someone but if no one starts voting i will start a bandwagon based on my previous posts on users who jumped on my bandwagon early on. that's ck, dak, Mr.378, WER, GTS i guess. m0nkfish did too but he may have only been doing it to save his own skin. of course hes still suspect

you guys are talking about substantial evidence but we just dont have anything like that. lustful can clearly not communicate (like villys) since alot less people would have bandwagoned with me otherwise, and i doubt anyone with a special role is gonna come out if they havent (either fear or unfortunate inactivity)

so
 
Lord Gloom said:
1) My name is taken from the Perry Bible Fellowship comic, Lord Gloom. Though you could obviously drop the "Lord" and be left with the Pokemon Gloom (this IS a Pokemon site, after all), it totally discounts the character that my name is actually based on.
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since this is a pokemon based site, I don't think obi really considered that gloom could be referencing something other than gloom the pokemon, or at least I didn't.

havak said:
Or we could just not lynch anyone until we have a better reason?
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actually, this won't help things in the slightest, unless we get better hints as time passes. The Lustfuls can only kill people during the day, so if we decide to hold off on lynching, that's basically giving the vengefuls and wrathfuls two free kills, which isn't any good at all. Obviously if we lynch someone that is on our side, it won't be good, but at least if we try we'll have a chance of getting someone. I think that it's better than hoping the mafias kill each other. Maybe not, but whatever.

So the people that I'm currently suspecting are m0nkfish and gormenghast (they seems like they're trying too hard to sound good on page 3), and to a lesser extent, Lord Gloom.

So to break the ice on day 2, I say Lynch m0nkfish

This isn't final, I can change it if you guys jump down my throat, so don't lynch me please. =\
 
Hmm, I guess you're right. We probably should lynch someone to have a glimmer of hope, but until we have a better reason I'm not jumping on the bandwagon just yet, we need to be more cautious IMO.

Even though Lord Gloom has almost come up with good reasons on other members, he's a suspect to me. But his reasoning towards the "fish" thing can't really be ignored either.

I'll make my mind up soon, just need more people to get involved and see what they can dig up.
 
I doubt it's gloom or monkfish any more than anybody else, because anything could smell... right now I'm most suspicious about people who are trying to make unusual or stupid excuses for bandwagoning people, like this:

Hyra said:
Hm..

The real question is how do we pick who to lynch?

We are less likely to pick a Lustfull by bandwagoning now, but that doesn't seem a good way to do it. Anyone have an idea about what Hip or Basics might have said to get killed so quickly?

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We could bandwagon Lord Gloom, he's always fun to pick on.
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Isn't that a typical mafiosi characteristic ?_?

But yeah, we can't just sit back and watch, or we stand no chance.
 
Not lynching someone today would certainly be the bad decesion, and I have to agree with Grom, those who jumped onto that bandwagon imedietly are certainly suspect.
 
AHEM.

okay guys, think about this.
If you are on a mafia team, and one of your members gets voted for, you can assume that everyone on your team will vote as a team and vote someone off. Therefore, I want to play a game myself.

Vote Thunderpup

I have placed myself in serious danger, but all you lustful, as a final word, keep your eyes on those who vote me.
If you wish to vote me off, do so.
However, I am lustful as you will find out, and doing so will point you out to be mafia.

as of now it's 1 for me and 1 for monk.
 
The fact that there were 3 deaths shows that there are ppl who can act on their own, with killing special abilities. Bandwagoning will probably provoke some of them who may have done nothing, if there are more than one, if they are afraid/have been mentioned for lynching.
 
the Lexx said:
I doubt it's gloom or monkfish any more than anybody else, because anything could smell... right now I'm most suspicious about people who are trying to make unusual or stupid excuses for bandwagoning people, like this:


Isn't that a typical mafiosi characteristic ?_?

But yeah, we can't just sit back and watch, or we stand no chance.
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Lexx, we have a better chance of picking a mafia member this time, so why not? Doing nothing either means we lose more Lustful or the Mafias discover each other without our help. Basically, its more productive to lynch than to do nothing.

Also, the mafias could override any vote on them at this point, easily.
 
Meh, maybe we can this time. Last time we were lynching just to start the game, now Lustfuls are down 3, so most Lustfuls are reluctant to vote without evidence.

@ The lexx, I was agreeing with Havak when I mention Lord Gloom.
 
Well, we've got until Friday to make our minds up.

Lord Gloom, M0nkfish, Fishin, Cookie?

Are these are only options?

Sorry, I'm not so creative at 4:30am... But I'm still not bandwagoning yet.
 
Bioshock's lynch is pretty indicative enough to see who would bandwagon with little to no reason. We don't need anyone else to do that.

Before I vote I want to make sure if Obi is giving clues with their deaths or not. Because if he is I would be tempted to vote Lord Gloom - as mentioned, even if his name is not based on the Pokemon, Obi may not have known that or may not have cared.
 
I think before an innocent gets randomly lynched again, we should just wait and see if any proof of someone being mafia turns up. Heck, the Mafias might even kill each other.
 
Thunderpup might be bluffing. Yes, his move makes more sense as Lustful as there's more to gain than if he's Mafia (Mafia know who their enemies are). However, this seems a little too obvious, especially by saying that he's put himself in serious danger. What's more, he's not really in serious danger because he knows anyone who votes for him will be incriminating themselves as being Mafia, so he knows he's safe. It's not as risky as it looks.

EDIT: why does everyone think it's someone else in the box? Isn't it meant to be Hipmonlee, the person who died?
 
Gormenghast said:
im waiting for a Pm from someone but if no one starts voting i will start a bandwagon based on my previous posts on users who jumped on my bandwagon early on. that's ck, dak, Mr.378, WER, GTS i guess. m0nkfish did too but he may have only been doing it to save his own skin. of course hes still suspect
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I do not think that you understand that bioshock is currently my second least favorite smogon user, and I am pretty willing to be petty in a game!

Also, you are the user most prone to bandwagon out of everyone, as seen by you in #fluodome, so I do not get how you have the right ot call anyone at all out! Your argument is pretty fallacious - 'I am not evil because I bandwagoned, as I only did it to find out who is probably bad!' The reality can just as easily be 'I am bad, so this argument is to cover my ass by incriminating others.'
 
cookie said:
Thunderpup might be bluffing. Yes, his move makes more sense as Lustful as there's more to gain than if he's Mafia (Mafia know who their enemies are). However, this seems a little too obvious, especially by saying that he's put himself in serious danger. What's more, he's not really in serious danger because he knows anyone who votes for him will be incriminating themselves as being Mafia, so he knows he's safe. It's not as risky as it looks.

EDIT: why does everyone think it's someone else in the box? Isn't it meant to be Hipmonlee, the person who died?
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It's not someone else in the box, it's something that will relate to another member. IE, the smell. A dead body would smell, yes. But not after one night... Therefore the smell may have been left there and is the scent of another member..

Lord Gloom is my suspect for this reason.
 
Which comes back to 0 reason if Obi says his little stories don't contain clues about mafia members. He didn't add anything about that to the rules, at least nothing closer than

Original Post said:
Night time deaths are night time deaths. In general, there is no way to distinguish a person killed by group 1 from a person killed by special ability a.
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Which says more about roles than about people anyway. So I say we wait for Obi to "confirm/deny/refuse to answer your question just lynch someone" to see if we have a reason to vote Lord Gloom or no reason to vote anyone.
 
I know, but my point is that you have no right to cast suspicion on anyone.

Mekkah, I think they are just going on the assumption of how most games are that are like this, which is to leave clues in the deaths of course (although I guess you might know this, so sorry if my input is unwarranted!)
 
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