I was hoping someone was going to post this after I had checked the move last night.
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SPOILERS! Scarlet & Violet Leaks Thread - Data/Mechanics
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I’m reading this thread and wonder if I cross into an alternate timeline where 
doesn’t exist. Like “this Pokemon who can do well over half to Toxapex with a resisted attack isn’t strong enough. It really needs a Thick Club.” and “I’m sure this Fairy/Steel type who can OHKO pretty much anything other than bulk resists will still be good in RU”. Also keep in mind Scald is exclusive to Volcanion, a ton of Pokemon lost Knock Off, and Recovery is 8 PP Max outside of Sap Strength.
It says a lot about how good a Pokemon is when it’s “not as strong as an instant Uber Pokemon”
doesn’t exist. Like “this Pokemon who can do well over half to Toxapex with a resisted attack isn’t strong enough. It really needs a Thick Club.” and “I’m sure this Fairy/Steel type who can OHKO pretty much anything other than bulk resists will still be good in RU”. Also keep in mind Scald is exclusive to Volcanion, a ton of Pokemon lost Knock Off, and Recovery is 8 PP Max outside of Sap Strength.It says a lot about how good a Pokemon is when it’s “not as strong as an instant Uber Pokemon”
I do agree that calm mind speed boost stored power will be the better set overall for espathra, but when I saw what the signature move and ability did and that it got foul play + u-turn I couldnt help but think this thing would do work with a scarf
It gets DD and SD like haxorus as good coverage like it too
But
It gets an ice STAB which coupled with es is extremely potent
And
It gets two really good abilities:
Thermal exchange: free atk boost by getting hit by a fire move and immunity to burn. With its bulk I will be able to shrug some fire attacks relatively easily, even while being neutral to them (but don't ask too much the new fish from the quartet will cook it)
Ice body : leftovers while under snow, and with the new defence buff that will make it really solid. Especially with the new slowing pivot move
So yeah even if their offense are similar our new ice Godzilla gets a really appreciate bonus bulk in comparison to haxorus. I think it might see some t-tar kind of play (less utility based but its bulk under the snow reminds me of our favorite rock/dark mon)
uh, thanks for the info! so, the item spreadsheet is still in the workings?
I’ve yet to see it really OHKO anything without doing hyper specific, major opportunity cost shit to buff it. No, plus 2 Tera steel is not realistic for it. Maybe I just haven’t seen that though.I’m reading this thread and wonder if I cross into an alternate timeline where
It says a lot about how good a Pokemon is when it’s “not as strong as an instant Uber Pokemon”
And ultimately, we just are in a format of hyper strong threats.
More bulk is a good thing, especially for a mon who is dominantly going to be a setup sweeper like Baxcalibur who is a DD sweeper. Haxorus is pretty frail. Baxcalibur on the other hand is quite a lot bulkier and can actually take hits better.
Granted it has Ice as a second typing giving it some weaknesses, but that also gives Baxcalibur an offensive advantage in having a good second STAB. Ice is a powerful offensive type and having that as a relatively spammable STAB option in addition to Dragon+Ground coverage is a bonus. Icicle Crash to deal strong neutral damage to several Fairy mons and hit many others super effectively is great.
Thermal Exchange is also a big advantage over Haxorus. The burn immunity is an absolutely excellent advantage to have on a physical attacker, and the fact that it can boost its Attack more if hit with a Fire move helps, especially for Choice sets.
Also Baxcalibur's signature move is really good. Glaive Rush is 120 BP, 100 Accuracy, and doesn't lock you into using the move like Outrage does. It does have a drawback of making Baxcalibur more vulnerable to attacks, but when your job is to boost with DD and sweep, and you're gonna outspeed and stomp everything after a DD boost or two anyway, who cares about that.
To be frank Baxcalibur is everything Haxorus wants to be but better. It's built like Haxorus but is basically superior.
Haxorus: Who are you?
Baxcalibur: I'm you, but stronger.
Actually, as of now, there's no way to evolve into hisuian forms in the game.
That means that if you were to hack in a hisuian qwilfish, it wouldn't evolve.
It is possible that the evo methods will be coded when the Home update comes (as that'll be when they will be obtainable legitimately), but unless something changes with another patch, for now there'll be no way to obtain the Hisuian forms even though they are in the game data.
I'd also add that while Ice typing mainly provides weaknesses, crucially it also means that it'll be neutral to ice attacks, which is actually a big deal when most pokemon use Ice coverage to hit dragon types.
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Any clues on how Protosynthesis / Quark Drive would interact with mints? Let's assume that the abilities raise the stat favored by the nature and not the straightforward highest stat, Beast Boost-alike. So no matter how pumped Iron Hands is, it will raise its crappy SpA if you are unlucky and catch a Quiet. But now let's assume that you give it a Jolly Mint. Will Quark Drive keep boosting its SpA because of being Quiet? Will it boost its Speed due to the mint effect? Or will it boost its Attack as it is its highest stat?
Somehow I hope it is the first option. That will turn +1 252 SpA Flutter Mane (Modest + Timid Mint) into a reality.
Somehow I hope it is the first option. That will turn +1 252 SpA Flutter Mane (Modest + Timid Mint) into a reality.
Do we know how much of a boost Rocky Payload gives?
It makes me wonder if GameFreak messed up and intended to give it the “ball and bomb moves” flag instead, so that it could be blocked by Bulletproof. I suppose that depends on whether the Japanese name of the move also includes the word Bomb.
The exact phrasing of the ruin quartet’s ability is that it lowers the stats of “all surrounding Pokémon”. Which obviously suggests everyone in a double battle. Doesn’t really help for determining if it’s an aura though, since surrounding still applies if another mon is in.
We've seen footage of the ability in action. There is no animation of stats lowering like I intimidate does so it is an ever present aura.
There was no reason to really ask because they account for the highest *numerical* stats.
IV, EVs and Nature all affect what the ability will boost.
(And yes I even accidentally tested this cause i was trying to get speed boost to our Scream Tail)
Didn't the 1.01 patch allow Basculin to evolve into Basculegion?
Population Bomb being categorized as a cutting move comes down to it being a move about a ton of mice chewing through shit.
Like mice are known as nuisances for chewing through cables/cords/etc. The amount of "hits" in this move is just implying the number of mice coming in to chew shit up. An entire population of them.
That's all I think we can glean from this categorization. We'll meme the shivs thing, but it's just them "cutting" stuff with their teeth (incisors are literally "cutting" teeth).
I think they meant "allowed" as the code now says Hisuian Baculin now evolves into Basulegion instead of evolving into a non-existent ID number.
It gets Sword Dance so I don’t see how Tera +2 Gigaton Hammer is unrealistic.
And if we are getting a Hyper Offensive Meta, surely it can easily KO several frailer neutral targets when it can do over 50% to Toxapex.
So besides the copium hammer we did not get is there anything else new held item wise we didn't already know of?
Excluding:
-Wyrdeer, Ursaluna, Kleavor
-The Hisuian forms that crop out of a normal base form (the hisuian starters, sliggoo, avalugg)
-Overqwil
The Hisuian forms can evolve just fine. Basculin-H had its "egg" bug fixed so it tracks recoil damage and gender into the proper form just fine. Zorua-H, Rufflet-H, Growlithe-H, Sneasel-H, Voltorb-H can all evolve fine. If you could somehow get Sliggoo-H, it also would probably be able to evolve into Goodra-H
It's theoretically possible to evolve Basculin-2 into Basculegion, so long as it still gets a move that causes recoil damage - I think it still has the same evolution condition, just a different ID.
I imagine the other Hisuian forms (Growlithe-1, Zorua-1 etc) should also be evolvable - You'd just need to figure out what the new evolution condition is.
Eh, most of them are just by level / using a stone on them. The ones missing are mainly the ones with... weird evolution conditions (like use a move X time in a certain style) or items that aren't in the game.
This reminded me, I wonder if they are planning some raid events or giveaways or stuff like that for some of the Hisuian forms, because they did show H-Zoroark and Kleavor in official footage, so people will be expecting to be able to get them.
While GF + logic isnt a good equation, I'd be surprised if they blunder on that on release.
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