SPOILERS! Scarlet & Violet Leaks Thread - Data/Mechanics

[Eclairius]

+1 252 Atk Silk Scarf Rattata Tackle vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 325-384 (106.9 - 126.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Rattata is stand in for Maushold and Tackle for 10 hit Technician-boosted Population bomb. +1 atk after a Tidy Up.
Mice together strong.

 

[Pushinguplilacs]

Unfortunately, as of now, the case seems to be that after you beat all the storys, the only real "postgame" are the gym rematches ministory (which is fun the first time, not exactly interesting afterwards other than to gain some money / exp), and uuuh finishing the pokedex I suppose.

If you're not a VGC player, you'll not really have any reason to launch the game after finishing the pokedex aside maybe shiny breeding .

This kind of made me realize we haven't heard much officially about battle spot or how it works in this game. It was really streamlined and fun in swsh and I hope they kept it like that or improved it some even. Obviously this is probably not something we will know much about until release though I imagine, can anyone with the game weigh in on what the wi-fi stuff looks like right now? If you can even see any of it.

+1 252 Atk Silk Scarf Rattata Tackle vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 325-384 (106.9 - 126.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Rattata is stand in for Maushold and Tackle for 10 hit Technician-boosted Population bomb. +1 atk after a Tidy Up.
Mice together strong.

to allow any consistency for that mon you'd have to use loaded dice though. It's also unlikely that we will get many opportunities to use tidy up with it to boost tbh.

 

[kosecant]

The reason he asked about Helioptile is cause it would have walled that specific set (Dry skin + normal type = immunity to water and ghost)
...that said noone sane in mind would use Heliolisk in Ubers or really even OU

That’s exactly what we said about seismetoad in gen 8 lmao

 

[R_N]

This kind of made me realize we haven't heard much officially about battle spot or how it works in this game. It was really streamlined and fun in swsh and I hope they kept it like that or improved it some even. Obviously this is probably not something we will know much about until release though I imagine, can anyone with the game weigh in on what the wi-fi stuff looks like right now? If you can even see any of it.

I am guessing the servers aren't online yet so even with the Day 1 (0) patch I don't think you could access any of it

 

[Some random freak]

One more thing that makes Population Bomb ridiculous is that it has 10 opportunities to crit. Also King's Rock better stay banned lol.

 

[kosecant]

One more thing that makes Population Bomb ridiculous is that it has 10 opportunities to crit. Also King's Rock better stay banned lol.

65% chance to flinch on a 300bp move

the hell is this mouse doing outside of ubers

 

[Eclairius]

One more thing that makes Population Bomb ridiculous is that it has 10 opportunities to crit. Also King's Rock better stay banned lol.

God bless Rocky helmet, Iron thorns and Rough skin.

 

[Unknown Warrior]

One more thing that makes Population Bomb ridiculous is that it has 10 opportunities to crit. Also King's Rock better stay banned lol.

Honestly Protective Pads seems like the best item for it anyway because it doesn't look like it can take a hit and even with King's Rock it's a 65% flinch chance which is only slightly better than Haxrachi.

 

[Eclairius]

to allow any consistency for that mon you'd have to use loaded dice though. It's also unlikely that we will get many opportunities to use tidy up with it to boost tbh.

I believe you aren't aware of this then:

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[Eriorguez]

The home preview only displayed the minisprites in the scarlet violet battle data

I strongly suspect that Home will otherwise continue to use the Renders

I mean, not discarding the renders, but adding a complete set for future proofing or whatever; HOME is after all the app that has a complete set of models and animations... Still, we shall see.

 

[someday]

Dreepy may just not spawn in the wild- could be only drakloak or dragapult

Dreepy definitely does spawn in the wild. Pretty early too. Going to be fun raising him up with those stats and moves...

 

[R_N]

It's going to be so sad when the proper, fixed chance breakdown lands on like

20% - 1
30% - 2
30% - 3
10% - 4
5% - 5
1% - 6
1% - 7
1% - 8
1% - 9
1% - 10

 

[Hugin]

...Well now I have to revise my in-game team plans to include the Aeslin Mice. 10 hits is wild and there's so much silliness possible now.

 

[Volt-Ikazuchi]

65% chance to flinch on a 300bp move

the hell is this mouse doing outside of ubers

Just Tera-Ghost.

 

[R_N]

I mean, not discarding the renders, but adding a complete set for future proofing or whatever; HOME is after all the app that has a complete set of models and animations... Still, we shall see.

Well if it helps you any, it looks like that Quagsire is 1:1 match up with BDSP

So at the very least we'll probably have like 3/4ths of the dex in this style by the time DLC is done!

 

[Pushinguplilacs]

I believe you aren't aware of this then:

EXCUSE ME.

Good god.

 

[Worldie]

That’s exactly what we said about seismetoad in gen 8 lmao

Yes and the fact that you had to use seismitoad and vaporeon in gen 8 was one of the reasons for which it got banned

 

[kosecant]

Yes and the fact that you had to use seismitoad and vaporeon in gen 8 was one of the reasons for which it got banned

I’m just saying, it looks like we may actually have to ban individual moves this time. When was the last time that happened, baton pass?

 

[Mr. Uno]

One more thing that makes Population Bomb ridiculous is that it has 10 opportunities to crit. Also King's Rock better stay banned lol.

I was under the impression based off it's description that it had the chance to hit between 1 to 10 times in a row, not necessarily a guaranteed 10 times in a row (basically a fury attack/swipes but instead of a 12.5% chance to hit 4 or 5 times, it's a 12.5% chance to hit 8 or 10 times).

If the above is the case (since multiple-hit moves hit at least twice), I'm wondering if population bomb hits at least 4 times each use. At that point, it might as well have skill link as a second ability. Otherwise, we're gonna need to rework those percentages for the other 5 times it hits.

 

[The Crusade]

Just Tera-Ghost.

Pointy Kingambit mitts typed this post.

 

[Breadboy]

Damn, so the mice are actually decent? Shame their visual design is hot garbage lmao.

 

[Eclairius]

I was under the impression based off it's description that it had the chance to hit between 1 to 10 times in a row, not necessarily a guaranteed 10 times in a row (basically a fury attack/swipes but instead of a 12.5% chance to hit 4 or 5 times, it's a 12.5% chance to hit 8 or 10 times).

It's supposed to hit between 1 to 10 times. But it's bugged and always hit 10 times.

 

[mattgcn]

lol @ Centro trawling this thread for content and posting my research uncredited twice and yet STILL "correcting" people in the replies of his posts saying that the internal ID order is the national dex order (it obviously isn't). Learn to read, keep up idiot, we figured this out pages ago.

Ugh, I went over the personal table data again and there are at least a few more moves some Pokemon get that aren't in the egg move, learnset, TM or reminder move lists. Here they are: https://pastebin.com/M1vbinTF
These could be tutor moves, or they could be special moves only obtainable through raids. Annoying.

oh my god how many secret move tables are there?? i'm really interested to see if we get another patch consolidating some of them. Especially since egg tables seem to keep showing up in here

That is true. Ice Rider Calyrex still learns Aromatherapy by level-up in the 1.0.1 moveset data, so it will definitely be patched again.

{messy levelup set rant}

I've been thinking this too, and the TM sets for any old move newly teachable (Metal Claw et al) are ALSO a damn mess. It's like BDSP Toxic where it was clearly just "find anything that gets it by level up or egg and give it" which is both useless as a TM and also excludes evolutions of things that get it by egg. MESS!

 

[Heropon]

Depends... is Helioptile in?

Scarf Ditto maybe ?
Or Normal Tera on some Pokémon resisting water ?
We have to find some really exotic solutions here though.

You can also use Rain Dance on the set and a Rain team to help setup however you do lose some power and Pokémon that resists Ghost might survive to Last Respects.

 

[Mr. Uno]

It's supposed to hit between 1 to 10 times. But it's bugged and always hit 10 times.

Beautiful, lets hope it stays that way ;>