SPOILERS! Scarlet & Violet Leaks Thread - Data/Mechanics

[658Greninja]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Protosynthesis Raikou Draco Meteor over 2 turns vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Vessel of Ruin Ting-Lu: 443-523 (86.1 - 101.7%) -- 12.5% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ SpA Choice Specs Protosynthesis Raikou Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Iron Treads: 315-371 (82 - 96.6%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO after 1 layer of Spikes

252+ SpA Choice Specs Protosynthesis Tera Electric Raikou Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Roaring Moon: 180-212 (51.2 - 60.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after 1 layer of Spikes

252+ SpA Choice Specs Protosynthesis Tera Electric Raikou Thunderbolt vs. 236 HP / 0 SpD Kingambit: 418-492 (104.5 - 123%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Shit’s insane. On the flipside, Gambit fucking dies

 

[Axiemeister]

i genuinely didn't expect stellar tera to be something that manages to change nobody's mind on tera

to be fair it kind of did mine - it either gets the whole mechanic banned for good (which keeps kingambit in OU) or somehow stays (and might keep kingambit in OU consindering the concept of defensive tera just got a huge hit with this)

 

[Mario With Lasers]

What gets the Stellar tera type? A particular form of Terapagos?

A bunch of static encounters have it too (the list someone posted earlier in the thread had a lv80 Stellar Garchomp)

 

[Bakugames]

stellar type seems ass unless you have something specific like contrarian tera blast. a one time boost that you lose for the rest of the game instead of a consistent boost. sure you get to boost all your moves but thats not worth the tradeback.
it better have a good defensive type or else its strictly inferior tera w a few salvaging niches

 

[Vinc2612]

Is fez good in vgc? Because all of these are hot ass in OU minus ogidoki which is ok at best.

No. It had some fringe use when it was discovered, but hasn't stood the test of time.

 

[Cuddly]

pecharunt doesn't sound that bad? it has a strong typing, 88/160/88 is insane bulk and 88 speed is workable for a defensive mon. either offense being 88 isn't even bad for a defensive mon that is clearly meant to win through non-direct damage anyway. i don't count it out of competitive at all

It's not "bad" but it is disappointing. Having all your stats be 88 besides Def which ties with Onix is pretty boring.

 

[StompyStomps]

Nah, tera or megas. Z-moves were batshit insane, especially on stuff like lando and kyub which basically guaranteed an ohko.

Megas were more centralizing, Tera is bonkers, and Dynamax is banned, Zmoves werent nessecary

 

[Eriorguez]

Zmoves were the healthiest imo

Gems, but turning the move into a surehit with no secondary effect, or a massive setup?

Eh...

Megas were just another 'mon.

 

[Pokemon Trainer: Shadow]

The new Tera type seems specifically designed to work against other Tera Pokemon, which is incredibly easy to play around. Its basically what Behemoth Blade/Bash and Dynamax Beam were in Gen 8.

This changes nothing about Tera guys.

 

[Cycrum]

Ho-Oh doesn't get Revival Blessing. That feels wrong

 

[waffle04]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Protosynthesis Raikou Draco Meteor over 2 turns vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Vessel of Ruin Ting-Lu: 443-523 (86.1 - 101.7%) -- 12.5% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ SpA Choice Specs Protosynthesis Raikou Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Iron Treads: 315-371 (82 - 96.6%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO after 1 layer of Spikes

252+ SpA Choice Specs Protosynthesis Tera Electric Raikou Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Roaring Moon: 180-212 (51.2 - 60.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after 1 layer of Spikes

252+ SpA Choice Specs Protosynthesis Tera Electric Raikou Thunderbolt vs. 236 HP / 0 SpD Kingambit: 418-492 (104.5 - 123%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Shit’s insane. On the flipside, Gambit fucking dies

Absolutely comedic calcs. I love our new sauropod overlord.

 

[YNM]

the new tera blast is basically worse than regular tera except against other tera'd mons. not changing much imo

" Stellar-type Terastallization grants a boost to moves—but only once per move type. After you use a move, no other moves of that same type will get the boost. In Tera Raid Battles, all moves will be boosted without limit. "
I don't know man, you get a move that is neutral on everything and is ALWAYS supereffective on other Tera mons, and Stellar-type Tera also gives you a free one-time boost on your other moves. This sound absolutely fucking stupid, and we should definitely quickban it.

 

[DaddyBuzzwole]

pecharunt doesn't sound that bad? it has a strong typing, 88/160/88 is insane bulk and 88 speed is workable for a defensive mon. either offense being 88 isn't even bad for a defensive mon that is clearly meant to win through non-direct damage anyway. i don't count it out of competitive at all

also, poison/ghost is a solid defensive typing, we've just never seen it on a defensive mon yet. this is likely to be an ou mon, or at the absolute least earn a spot on the vr

 

[Cuddly]

Ho-Oh doesn't get Revival Blessing. That feels wrong

It's Ho-over...

 

[Axiemeister]

It's not "bad" but it is disappointing. Having all your stats be 88 besides Def which ties with Onix is pretty boring.

idk, i love defensive legendaries just as a concept. we get so many nukes each generation.

also, does stellar type act as as typeless BOTH as a defensive type, and its tera blast against non-tera people? oe does it not change the typing (aka, mons stay their type and tera blast stays normal)? this is an important distinction

 

[Eriorguez]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1735137863166214283

 

[Pokemon Trainer: Shadow]

" Stellar-type Terastallization grants a boost to moves—but only once per move type. After you use a move, no other moves of that same type will get the boost. In Tera Raid Battles, all moves will be boosted without limit. "
I don't know man, you get a move that is neutral on everything and is ALWAYS supereffective on other Tera mons, and Stellar-type Tera also gives you a free one-time boost on your other moves. This sound absolutely fucking stupid, and we should definitely quickban it.

If it takes up your Tera slot though, you basically have to choose between a one-time nuke, versus playing defensively. And its not as effective if your opponent doesn't Tera or they wait until they beat your Stellar mon and then Tera.

 

[Mad Ram]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1735137863166214283

Who's betting Khu is going to try some overly cryptic mumbo jumbo to try and save face from this. I mean he very much said that would be in here and it seems nowhere in sight. We already talked about this earlier in the thread, but it shows at least part of the stuff he says is just making things up.

 

[MisogiKurakawa]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1735137863166214283

Guys, there's never going to be a custom battler tool.

Like it or not, GF wants training to be part of the experience.

 

[Magcargo]

Do you guys think Serp will be ubers with the new Tera Blast?

 

[CPU]

It doesn't get what?! *double checks*

No offense, Parting Shot, Toxic, Recover, and ability that confuses when it poisons...

Did Game Freak make this Pokemon just for me?

It definitely seems to be geared toward being a support/stall Pokémon

 

[Vinc2612]

I wouldn't bet anything on the impact of Tera-Stellar yet. If I understand correctly (can anyone confirm?):
- You have no weakness except Tera-Stellar Tera-Blast
- You have a 80 BP move, 120 with STAB, that hits everything neutrally (Tera-Blast) and can nuke the opposing Tera (at the cost of a drop in your offensive stats IF you do nuke it)
- Your first Tera-Blast (as well as first any coverage move) is boosted

It doesn't sound like a waste of space to me.

 

[Aura Flare Riolu]

Wow they really made it so Male Indeedee learns Expanding Force but Female Indeedee cannot.

 

[Mario With Lasers]

I dunno guys, a defensive Ghost with Recover and defenses close to 90/160/90 seems pretty ok in my book.

 

[Ihatestall]

Do you guys think Serp will be ubers with the new Tera Blast?

Quick ban within the first day