The Vish survives another day. Yeah having it stay at B is solid cause some teams just straight up don’t have good checks or counters for Vish and they just makes the game tilted heavily towards the Vish’s favor.
Its gotten a good amount of usage for its sash set and is decently good at what it does. Another mon I'd be in favor of putting in C.What does everyone think of Lucario? It has seen more usage than Quagsire and a couple of B- rank Pokemon according to pokesol. (Also supporting Chandelure to be ranked.)
|Smogon Username||Rotom-H: A+ -> A||Tyranitar: A+ -> A||Snorlax: A -> A+||Hippowdon: A- -> A||Sylveon: A- -> B+||Dracozolt: B -> B+||Lapras: B -> B+ or A-||Umbreon: B+ -> B||Charizard: B+ -> B||Haxorus: B -> B-||Glalie: B- -> C||Primarina: UR -> B||Crawdaunt: UR -> C||Incineroar: UR -> C||Venusaur: UR -> C||Blastoise: UR -> C||Lucario: UR -> C||Chandelure: UR -> C or B-|
|Theorymon||Drop to A||Stay A+||Rise to A+||Rise to A||Stay A-||Rise to B+||Rise to B+||Drop to B||Stay B+||Drop to B-||Drop to C||Rise to B||Rise to C||Rise to C||Rise to C||Rise to C||Stay UR||Rise to C|
|marilli||Drop to A||Drop to A||Rise to A+||Rise to A||Stay A-||Rise to B+||Rise to B+||Drop to B||Drop to B||Drop to B-||Unranked||Rise to B||Rise to C||Rise to C||abstain||abstain||abstain||Rise to B-|
|1_TrickPhony||Drop to A||Drop to A||Rise to A+||Rise to A||abstain||Rise to B+||Rise to A-||Drop to B||Drop to B||Drop to B-||Drop to C||Rise to B-||Rise to C||Rise to C||Rise to C||Stay UR||Rise to C||Rise to C|
|Psynergy||Drop to A||Drop to A||Rise to A+||Rise to A||Drop to B+||Rise to B+||Rise to B+||Drop to B||Drop to B||Drop to B-||Drop to C||Rise to B||Rise to C||Rise to C||Rise to C||Stay UR||Stay UR||Rise to C|
|Greilmercenary9||Drop to A||Drop to A||Rise to A+||Rise to A||Drop to B+||Rise to B+||Rise to A-||Drop to B||Drop to B||Stay B||Drop to C||Rise to B||Rise to C||Rise to B-||Stay UR||abstain||Stay UR||Rise to C|
|DragonWhale||Stay A+||Drop to A||Rise to A+||Rise to A||Drop to B+||Rise to B+||Rise to A-||Drop to B||Drop to B||Stay B||Drop to C||Rise to B-||Rise to C||Rise to C||Rise to C||Rise to C||Stay UR||Rise to C|
|cant say||Stay A+||Stay A+||Rise to A+||Rise to A||Stay A-||Rise to B+||Rise to B+||Drop to B||Stay B+||Stay B||Stay B-||haven’t seen enough. don’t get what it does. C?||Rise to C||Rise to C||Rise to C||Rise to C||Stay UR||Rise to C|
|Final Result||Drop to A||Drop to A||Rise to A+||Rise to A||Stay A-||Rise to B+||Rise to B+||Drop to B||Drop to B||Drop to B-||Drop to C||Rise to B||Rise to C||Rise to C||Rise to C||Stay UR||Stay UR||Rise to C|
|Smogon Username||Excadrill: S -> A+||Snorlax: A+ -> S||Hydreigon: A -> A-||Ferrothorn: A- -> A||Aegislash: A- -> A||Sylveon: A- -> B+||Grimmsnarl: A- -> B+||Rotom-Mow: A- -> B+||Lapras: B+ -> A or A-||Dracozolt: B+ -> A-||Primarina: B -> A- or B+||Conkeldurr: B -> B+||Duraludon: B -> B-||Umbreon: B -> B-||Clefable: B- -> B+ or B||Diggersby: B- -> B+ or B||Milotic: B- -> B||Type: Null: B- -> B||Incineroar: C -> B or B-||Alcremie: C -> UR||Dubwool: C -> UR||Greedent: C -> UR||Lucario: UR -> C|
|marilli||Drop to A+||Rise to S||Drop to A-||Rise to A||Rise to A||Drop to B+||Drop to B+||Drop to B+||Rise to A||Rise to A-||Rise to B+||Rise to B+||Stay B||Drop to B-||Rise to B+||Rise to B+||Stay B-||Stay B-||Rise to B-||Drop to UR||Drop to UR||Drop to UR||Rise to C|
|1TP||A+ This is really close, tbh its been better than it has been recently. I'd say last season it was more A+ material, now its on the fence. Voting A+ simply because of the rise of Wisp Pult.||Rise to S||A-. Once a king of BSS, there are now simply too many damn fairies everywhere. And it might have steel coverage, but its not doing anything without a NP boost. If running choiced, it gets preyed on by fairies. If NP/Sub, it gets beaten by the most used mon in the game, dragapult.||Rise to A||A-. A is getting really crowded with Lapras and Ferro most likely passing it, and I dont think its as good as those two right now. I like Aegislash as the gatekeeper for A-, and it wont be too out of place with dracozolt and hydrei joining it.||Drop to B+||Drop to B+||Drop to B+||Rise to A||Rise to A-||B+. In between A- and B+, it has a ton of usage and is succeeding unlike other previous "new toy" examples. I dont mind moving it one slot now,||B. Too many||Stay B||B-. Its foul play niche is real, but it is simply a niche. If you want to yawn, use Snorlax.||B+. This thing has so many ultra dangerous sets, and now that unaware sets are a thing, you have to make a ton of hard decisions on whether or not to do things like taunt or toxic on team preview, while risking getting blasted away by life orb.||Rise to B+||Stay B-||Stay B-||B. Its been gaining a ton of traction, as about the 15th most used pokemon with over 10% usage, it makes no sense to put it in B- with pokemon that are like 1-3% usage. I have questions about how good it actually is, but same can be said for just about every other pokemon in B rn||Drop to UR||Drop to UR||Drop to UR||Rise to C|
|twitch.tv/jakecantsay||Drop to A+||Rise to S||Drop to A-||Rise to A||Stay A-||Drop to B+||Drop to B+||Stay A-||Rise to A||Stay B+||Rise to B+||Rise to B+||Drop to B-||Drop to B-||Rise to B+||Rise to B+||Stay B-||Stay B-||Rise to B-||Stay C||Stay C||Drop to UR||Rise to C|
|DW||Stay S||Rise to S||Drop to A-||Rise to A||Stay A-||Drop to B+||Drop to B+||Drop to B+||Rise to A||Rise to A-||Rise to A-||Rise to B+||Drop to B-||Drop to B-||Rise to B+||Rise to B+||Stay B-||Rise to B||Rise to B-||Drop to UR||Drop to UR||Drop to UR||Rise to C|
|Greilmercenary9||S, I think this is a close call, but Sash Mold Breaker is still a great catch-all check and one of the best Mimi/Fairy checks around. That matters with 4 of them top 15, but the Lapras meta has been unkind to it otherwise with Lapras, Ferro, and Prima (one of the 4 top 15 fairies) handling it fairly well most of the time. Utility against Clef and Toge keeps it on this side of S for the moment by the slimmest of margins IMO.||S, this thing just doesn't die--Fighting STAB is basically nonexistant and Lax has enough offensive and defensive pressure to make it a total monster. Also has about 10 million fully viable sets.||A-, Hydra has plummeted in usage late S5 and for good reason; four fairies now populate the top 15 in usage, and as someone who placed top 200 S5 with a Hydra on my team, I can say that it was reduced to fairly token usage in many matchups. Still a strong Rotom check in particular but losing traction in the meta right now.||A, Easy rise here as Ferro does extremely well against almost all of the new wave mons (Lapras, Prima, and to a lesser degree Clef)||Stay A-||Drop to B+||Drop to B+||Drop to B+||A, this thing has been meta defining in ways that mons below A are not. Ferrothorn in particular has seen a huge resurgence as one of the best checks, while niche stuff like Frosmoth and Shedinja have started to see viability and actual usage largely because they flat out counter this.||A-, Hustle + Dynamax is always a fun combo but this thing also benefits from the Lapras meta since it runs through the new wave Water types and also is powerful enough without Atk boosts to actually scare Unaware mons, even Clef.||A-, Prima is deceptively good. It benefits tremendously from Energy Ball to take on Lapras, Water/Grounds, etc, but can also run several fairly viable sets such as Sash, CM Sitrus, Specs, AV, etc.||B, You'd think it would be good in the Lapras meta and maybe go up in usage as Lapras, Ferro, and Lax continue to be prominent, but Conk suffers from being a sitting duck against almost all Fairy types in a totally Fairy infested meta, and with these Fairies partnering with most of the previously mentioned mons it tends to be much harder to bring in practice than in theory.||Drop to B-||Drop to B-||B+, Unaware has really given Clef more staying power, as having to respect both Unaware and Magic Guard sets makes this much more difficult to handle. Very versatile and IMO probably better than Sylveon in most roles. Could even be A- I think but it's debateable and I think a 2 tier rise is probably an adequate reflection for the moment.||Rise to B||Rise to B||Stay B-||B, Not the greatest thing out there but rose to #16 in usage by the end of S5 and is a pivotal component in the new wave of FWG cores often featuring Ferro and Lapras/Prima.||Drop to UR||Drop to UR||Drop to UR||Rise to C|
|Psynergy||Stay S||Rise to S||A-, I still really like Hydreigon but increase in good Fairies hurts unfortunately||Rise to A||Stay A-||Drop to B+||Drop to B+||Drop to B+||Rise to A||Rise to A-||Rise to A-||Stay B||Drop to B-||Drop to B-||Rise to B+||Rise to B||B-, has potential to rise but I want to see more of it first||Stay B-||B, it's at least better than Arcanine||Drop to UR||Drop to UR||Drop to UR||Rise to C|
|Theorymon||Stay S||Rise to S||Drop to A-||Rise to A||Rise to A||Drop to B+||Stay A-||Drop to B+||Rise to A-||Rise to A-||Rise to B+||Rise to B+||Drop to B-||Drop to B-||Rise to B+||Rise to B+||Rise to B||Rise to B||Rise to B-||Drop to UR||Stay C||Drop to UR||Rise to C|
|Final Result||Stay S||Rise to S||Drop to A-||Rise to A||Stay A-||Drop to B+||Drop to B+||Drop to B+||Rise to A||Rise to A-||Rise to B+||Rise to B+||Drop to B-||Drop to B-||Rise to B+||Rise to B+||Stay B-||Stay B-||Rise to B-||Drop to UR||Drop to UR||Drop to UR||Rise to C|
I think the reasoning behind that metric is pretty sound. In particular, versatility seems to be meta-defining right now. We're several months in and pokemon like Snorlax, Mimikyu and Togekiss have still seen recent developments in their build options. The ability to run multiple roles or at least threaten to can cause a lot of confusion at team select.To me, there is quite a big gap between A- and B+ other than potentially Diggersby within that tier in terms of how good I think they are. This may be right or wrong but I kind of rank pokemon based on their versatility, how strong they are at dynamaxing or countering dynamax as well as how team reliant they are and their usage at top level. A question I'd pose to help better define the barrier would be to look at goodstuffs, the best composition in SWSH and ask: could you easily slot this pokemon in a goodstuffs comp?
My personal opinion is that it is not bad. It has the great normal flying defensive typing, which is funny to say but since Ghost is the best offensive type in BSS, normal pokemon become more valuable and its also a decent dynamaxer that can bulk up and then max airstream and has normal fighting coverage. It definitely has some weaknesses that prevent it from being truly excellent such as struggling with Rotom and Corviknight, but I think its decent enough.What does everyone think of Braviary? It was featured in 3 teams in S4 and 6 teams in S5 from Nouthuca's blog collection and has a fair amount of usage according to pokesol.
I think its current uptick in usage is simply because it is the newest fad that people want to test out. I would say it is C tier in the old system and C- tier in the proposed new system.What does everyone think of Braviary? It was featured in 3 teams in S4 and 6 teams in S5 from Nouthuca's blog collection and has a fair amount of usage according to pokesol.