Shieldon (LC Analysis)

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Shieldon


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[OVERVIEW]

<p>When we first take a glance at Shieldon, we will find those enormous defenses hard to ignore. Oftentimes, however, its mediocre Speed and offenses prevent it from taking on a truly threatening role on a team. But whoever said this was an entirely bad thing? Shieldon’s defensive prowess and access to supporting moves such as Stealth Rock and Rain Dance make the little Shield Pokemon an excellent supporting player on most Little Cup teams.</p>

[SET]
name: Utility
move 1: Stealth Rock / Stone Edge
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Thunderbolt / Magnet Rise
item: Oran Berry / Shed Shell
nature: Sassy
evs: 196 HP / 20 Atk / 52 Def / 20 SpA / 212 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Shieldon's sturdy defenses and access to a great supporting move, Stealth Rock, allow it to effectively play the role of a supporter on most Little Cup teams. Shieldon can also check many strong and common threats of the Little Cup metagame, such as Dragon Dance Dratini, and this should definitely be taken into account when deciding whether or not to reserve a spot for Shieldon on your team.</p>

[Additional Comments]

<p>Although Stealth Rock is usually found as a staple on supporting variants of Shieldon, it should be noted that Stone Edge can be used over Stealth Rock if if you want Shieldon to do decent damage to Snover, who would otherwise wall the entire set. Flamethrower can be used for the same reason and possesses better accuracy, but it isn't boosted by STAB. Earthquake is used to easily KO even the bulkiest of Houndour, and the EVs guarantee that Shieldon will survive a combination of Crunch and Fire Blast from the standard MixDour set. Earthquake also takes down Magnemite, who will often switch into Shieldon, expecting an easy kill. Ice Beam allows Shieldon to take down offensive variants of Dratini and Thunderbolt is used to super effectively hit Water-types as well as forming the deadly BoltBeam combination with Ice Beam. It should be noted though that Magnet Rise is a viable option over Thunderbolt as it will allow dealing with Diglett much easier. Oran Berry is the recommended item, as it will help extend Shieldon's longevity, but a Shed Shell can be used if Shieldon fears being trapped by Diglett and Wynaut. Shed Shell can also help Shieldon evade Magnemite, although it is easily dealt with even without the use of Shed Shell.</p>

[Team Options]

<p>If you are using Shieldon, it is almost necessary to include Hippopotas as a teammate, as the Special Defense boost gained through sandstorm greatly increases Shieldon's durability in a battle. Also, any Pokemon benefiting from Stealth Rock support and the possible removal or weakening of Dragon Dance Dratini, Diglett, and Magnemite are generally good Pokemon to use alongside Shieldon. Mantyke is a great example, as it has decent synergy with Shieldon, resisting all of its weaknesses while greatly benefiting from Stealth Rock support as it breaks Focus Sashes, which Mantyke hates when it is attempting to pull off a sweep.</p>

[Optional Changes]

<p>Due to Shieldon's mediocre offenses and Speed, it doesn’t have many options when it comes to its offensive capabilities in the tier, although it does have access to a couple of decent offensive stat-up moves. Rock Polish can help cure Shieldon of its mediocre Speed, but this is not recommended as Shieldon would still possess lackluster offenses. Similarly, a Metal Sound or Metal Burst set can be utilized, but again, when you factor in Shieldon's poor offenses, these options are lackluster. If you wish to include other forms of STAB in Shieldon's moveset, moves such as Iron Head and Flash Cannon can be used, but they offer redundant coverage. Other than providing Stealth Rock support, Shieldon can also provide Rain Dance support which can be a valuable asset to teams revolving around sweepers such as Horsea, Mantyke, and Omanyte.</p>

[Counters]

<p>Diglett, Magnemite, and even Wynaut are all effective counters to Shieldon as they can easily OHKO or 2HKO it with their STAB or super effective attacks, provided that they don't switch into a super effective attack themselves. In Wynaut's case, prediction is especially necessary to win. Chinchou is also a great counter, as not only is it immune to Thunderbolt, but it is also resistant to Ice Beam and Flamethrower so it can annihilate any Shieldon set foolish enough to not carry Earthquake. Similar to Chinchou, Munchlax can also wall Shieldon courtesy of its gargantuan HP and above-average defenses.</p>
 
Shieldon isn't weak to fire.

In Team Options, replace Houndour with Mantyke, who resists all of its weaknesses and doesn't really like sashes.

Croagunk resists two of them, and Shieldon resists Psychic.

Munchy walls it and EQ/Fire Punches it to a slow death.

Substitute is a better option than Magnet Rise, because it lets you beat Diglett.

Is it worth mentioning Horsea when nobody uses it?
 
I'll update the OP with your suggestions and as for the Horsea point, I added it because I needed an example for a Pokemon who would benefit from RD and Horsea came to mind, but I guess I can replace it with more common RD sweepers like Mantyke and Omanyte.
 
Hippopotas NEEDS to be listed under team options. From my experience, the best place to use Shieldon is on a SandStorm team. Flash Cannon, Iron Head and Stone Edge should be mentioned in OC as STAB moves for Shieldon. Metal Burst probably should be mentioned somewhere. I'll go test a Metal Burst set and see if it is any good. And chance its Nature from Sassy to Calm. It isn't using mixed attacks, so there is no point in lowering speed unless you want to use it in Trick Room.
 
You should mention wynaut in counters since it can switch in and encore your sr / whatever move you make. It also doesn't take shit from your attacks.
 
I'm going to bump this thread; any comments, suggestions or additions will be greatly appreciated so please post with any comments, etc! Also, it would be awesome if a LC QC member could take a look at at this and possibly stamp this analysis if they deem it acceptable. Thank you.
 
This set is very below average, imo. I would probably concentrate on being able to reliably beat Houndour with lots of HP, SpD, and a physical Rock move.
 
This set is very below average, imo. I would probably concentrate on being able to reliably beat Houndour with lots of HP, SpD, and a physical Rock move.
Sheldon with the current EVs does 75%-100% to Houndour (OHKO after SR damage) with Stone Edge if Houndour is running an Impish nature with maximum HP and Defensive investments. Here's proof:
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Also, I know that Stone Edge is not mentioned in the analysis so I'll add it in the additional comments section.
 
Sheldon with the current EVs does 75%-100% to Houndour (OHKO after SR damage) with Stone Edge if Houndour is running an Impish nature with maximum HP and Defensive investments. Here's proof:
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Also, I know that Stone Edge is not mentioned in the analysis so I'll add it in the additional comments section.

Ok what does this have to do with anything that I said?

This set needs to:

1. Comfortably survive MixDour's Crunch + Fire Blast, 2 Fire Blasts if possible (sandstorm might be necessary, but still).

2. OHKO Houndour. You may need Stone Edge or possibly Earthquake to do this.

I honestly don't know what the point of calculating Stone Edge vs max/max impish Houndour is.....it's quite obviously an irrelevant calc.
 
1. Comfortably survive MixDour's Crunch + Fire Blast, 2 Fire Blasts if possible (sandstorm might be necessary, but still).

2. OHKO Houndour. You may need Stone Edge or possibly Earthquake to do this.
Oh, okay. I'm sorry; I totally misunderstood your previous post. Anyways, onto the two requirements you asked for; even with a boosting nature and maximum defense and special defense, with the rest of the EVs poured into HP, Shieldon will only last with about 22% HP after a Fire Blast and Crunch from MixDour; and this is with Shieldon gaining the Sandstorm boost. I'm sorry, but I can't find an EV spread that meets your first requirement comfortably. Moving on, the second requirement is easily met. Even with a hindering nature, and no attack investment, Houdnour can OHKO standard variants of Houndour with either earthquake or stone edge ofter stealth rock damage so I think I've met that requirement.
 
This EV spread: 196 HP / 20 Atk / 52 Def / 20 SpA / 212 SpD with a Sassy nature does everything I said it should do under standstorm. Houndour's Crunch does roughly 22% and Houndour's Fire Blast does 50%, meaning it survives with enough HP to take another Fire Blast most of the time.

I would run a set with:

- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt / Magnet Rise

This covers the most common threats. It has the benefit of beating the two hardest Pokemon to switch into: Carvanha and Houndour. It also beats Gligar, if Gligar switches in on Ice Beam or Magnet Rise.
 
This EV spread: 196 HP / 20 Atk / 52 Def / 20 SpA / 212 SpD with a Sassy nature does everything I said it should do under standstorm. Houndour's Crunch does roughly 22% and Houndour's Fire Blast does 50%, meaning it survives with enough HP to take another Fire Blast most of the time.

I would run a set with:

- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt / Magnet Rise

This covers the most common threats. It has the benefit of beating the two hardest Pokemon to switch into: Carvanha and Houndour. It also beats Gligar, if Gligar switches in on Ice Beam or Magnet Rise.
Okay, I'll make those changes but I still want flamethrower on the set as it allows Shieldon to retaliate with considerable force against Magnemite; I'll add it in AC.
 
lol. Don't worry about it.

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I'm not counting dy8's stamp because this isn't the set he approved, so I'd rather wait for another stamp that is based on the current set.
 
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i like the second set a lot better, is it possible we could put stone edge in the first slot slashed with stealth rock as a possible attack vs snover or your strongest possible stab? if i get a chance, ill discuss any of this stuff with heysup but the set obviously is fine atm.
 
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