Why was Roaring Moon considered too much for gen 9 national dex but not SV OU? Personally I think it shouldn’t be a part of either metagame, but I’m just wondering why it was unstoppable in natdex specifically.
Yeah I saw this, it’s pretty confusing since it doesn’t mention Z-moves at all. I suppose the natdex council takes less bs than the OU council when it comes to unhealthy sweepers.
With all due respect, this is a silly comparison. The metagames are entirely different with so many more conflicting variables beyond Z moves.
It’s not ever a linear “more options to check or counter, so if it’s broken there, then it must be here” when you consider there are also more possible supporters, teammates, options, and so on as well. The metagames are not similar and drawing many parallels between the two always leads to trouble. Last generation is a great case study for that and this one is playing out to be similar. This generation thus far also makes the differences larger as we have Pokemon Home looming overhead without a concrete date.
Another thing worth noting is National Dex is not held to close to the same standard as OU as they’re not official or the flagship metagame. OU had to run a longer, multifaceted Tera test while National Dex’s was more black-and-white. OU runs recurring surveys to dictate suspects and small quantities of quickbans while National Dex was able to dispatch of over a dozen Pokemon within a very brief period.
Despite all of this, Roaring Moon was up for quickban vote multiple times early on, as a member of the first few Radars, and received no votes to be banned. It was hardly ever brought up in surveys despite thousands of people forming the sample of responses as well. I would argue Roaring Moon is starting to peak now as well, but it’s largely a beneficiary of circumstance thanks to Orthworm Shed Tail (far more problematic) or even Sun support.
I find it silly that people kneejerk to blaming the council when context isn’t considered and false equivalences are drawn. It would quite literally be an abuse of power for us to promptly act on Roaring Moon without community backing, especially when multiple other things have received greater support. Obviously this is subject to change in the future, but it’s not there currently.
If you think it should be banned, I implore you to share your thoughts in the metagame thread.