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Single type teams discussion

For the water team, definately add Manaphy, Kabutops and Omastar. Manaphy for having one of the best abilities in the game. The fossils both can get Swift Swim, and they already have good base stats.

Kabutops with 115 Attack, 105 Defence, and Omastar with 115 Sp.Atk and 125 Defence. Both can get 450+ Speed in the rain (assuming a +speed nature and 252 Speed EVs)
 
I think full electric teams are really shoved away too fast. Yup, they have a weakness for one of the most common moves in the game, but so what? It has speed. And Zapdos.
 
May I add Mr. Mime? Filter, Barrier, Reflect/Light Screen, Substitute and Baton Pass make for a pretty good support pokemon. (Heal Bell Chimeco lol)
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Sure. Don't forget T-wave, though.
 
Try to make mono electric:
Electrode (explosion/twave)
Raichu (nasty plot kthx)
Zapdos (a given)
Lanturn (special walling says hi)
Electvire (lol)
Magnezone (because it's cool)
Ampharos (focus punchh)
Raikou (electric BEAST)
Luxray (....yay?)
Jolteon (agilipass to your maggy)
Rotomu (zapdos is better for EQ immunity, but whatever, rotomu is cooler)
 
X-Codes said:
Dragon - Ignoring the fact that theres only 5 non-uber dragons, all but 2 dragons have a glaring weakness to Ice attacks (many of them 4x). Simply put, it's a bad type to make a team around for now
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IIRC there's six of them :
- Dragonite
- Flygon
- Kingdra
- Salamence
- Garchomp
- Altaria

Not a larger choice but, with this six you could in fact make a team


Also , what about Vespiqueen on a mono-bug team ? In standard play she's not very useful, but she gots good defenses and stuff, maybe worth to be considered.
 
Septen said:
Also , what about Vespiqueen on a mono-bug team ? In standard play she's not very useful, but she gots good defenses and stuff, maybe worth to be considered.
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Ok, I'll include Vespiquen, but it's not even that it takes 50% from stealth rock, it's just that she's way too slow, but she can come in on some choice attackers and force a switch, so yeah.
 
Actually, though Fire is one of my favorite types and it did get royally screwed. I think a mono team, COULD work.
That is an iffy could. A very iffy one. But here is a team I thought of off the top of my head.


Magmortar
Heatran
Infernape
Charizard
Ninetails
~Filler~

It could be anything for the filler. Yeah, like I said. This team is HUGELY iffy, and would hardly work. It may win a few battles out of suprise, but that suprise would quickly fade.

I was also thinking, It would be funny to see Arceus on any of these teams.
What better suprise then pulling out pure fire arceus? lol
 
For Water, the speed gets boosted to above the levels you stated in rain because you can't just double the base stat. Also, you forgot Omastar, which has slightly higher Special Attack, Speed, and Defense than Gorebyss, and Empoleon, since Steel grants a million resists.
 
Mono-Electric was rape back in GSC. It's probably lost a little power since then, but you're underrating having only one weakness. One weakness, for the most part, easily fought by whoring Hidden Power.

Gorebyss and Huntail, lol.
 
Bologo said:
Ok, I'll include Vespiquen, but it's not even that it takes 50% from stealth rock, it's just that she's way too slow, but she can come in on some choice attackers and force a switch, so yeah.
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I think you could also include Butterfree, double powder is sexy, it could be a great opener as we see in some very good team like firestorm's team.

Also about Normal Team, there's a lot of thing to do. Normal does only have one weakness (fighting) and one immunity (ghost). Normal-type pokemon tend also to be very versatile, allowing to virtually hit all other pokemon type.
The point of a normal type team is to prevent to be sweep by strong fighting moves like Close Combat, Aura Sphere and stuff.

I think the greatest members of Normal type are :

- Blissey : Special Wall, annoying bitch, but very useful
- Swellow : I find that the burn orb set is very sexy, this pokemon got a good attack and speed and is a formidable revenge-killer.
- Staraptor : Intimidate, great attack and speed and part flying-type nullifying the fighting weakness.
- PorygonZ: Special sweeper is good
- Porygon2 : Usable too, trace could be very helpful in some situation, so as Conversion (change to something like ghost type)
- Togekiss : the Haxx God who doesn't have the fighting weakness
- Smeargle : the one who could get nearly all the moves of the game. Spore, baton passing and stuff are always good.
- Kangaskhan : Scrappy allow mummy to hit these annoying ghost
- Snorlax : not as useful as before, but things like curselax are still good to play with
- Clefable : Magic Guard prevents the pink thing to be damaged by non-attacking move like sandstorm and burn. Still useable
- Linoone : Basically, very effective belly drummer and could sweep an entire team if used correctly
- Castform : Had the ability to changer the weather and his own type, so it could be helpful in some situations
- Ambipom : Could be a great opener, as he's able to baton pass, make a u-turn or even strikes the opponent with his good attack and speed stats.
- Ditto : Just to make fun of the opponent :p

This is basically a quick list of useful normal pokemon which could effectively be improved with other normal pokemon, but to me these seems the most helpful of the normal family.
 
Toshi0220 said:
For the water team, definately add Manaphy, Kabutops and Omastar. Manaphy for having one of the best abilities in the game. The fossils both can get Swift Swim, and they already have good base stats.

Kabutops with 115 Attack, 105 Defence, and Omastar with 115 Sp.Atk and 125 Defence. Both can get 450+ Speed in the rain (assuming a +speed nature and 252 Speed EVs)
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Thank you. I intentionally didn't add Manaphy seeing as many people can't get a hold of one (much less one suited for battling), but I had forgotten about the two fossils. I'll add them ASAP.
 
Septen said:
I think you could also include Butterfree, double powder is sexy, it could be a great opener as we see in some very good team like firestorm's team.

Also about Normal Team, there's a lot of thing to do. Normal does only have one weakness (fighting) and one immunity (ghost). Normal-type pokemon tend also to be very versatile, allowing to virtually hit all other pokemon type.
The point of a normal type team is to prevent to be sweep by strong fighting moves like Close Combat, Aura Sphere and stuff.

I think the greatest members of Normal type are :

- Blissey : Special Wall, annoying bitch, but very useful
- Swellow : I find that the burn orb set is very sexy, this pokemon got a good attack and speed and is a formidable revenge-killer.
- Staraptor : Intimidate, great attack and speed and part flying-type nullifying the fighting weakness.
- PorygonZ: Special sweeper is good
- Porygon2 : Usable too, trace could be very helpful in some situation, so as Conversion (change to something like ghost type)
- Togekiss : the Haxx God who doesn't have the fighting weakness
- Smeargle : the one who could get nearly all the moves of the game. Spore, baton passing and stuff are always good.
- Kangaskhan : Scrappy allow mummy to hit these annoying ghost
- Snorlax : not as useful as before, but things like curselax are still good to play with
- Clefable : Magic Guard prevents the pink thing to be damaged by non-attacking move like sandstorm and burn. Still useable
- Linoone : Basically, very effective belly drummer and could sweep an entire team if used correctly
- Castform : Had the ability to changer the weather and his own type, so it could be helpful in some situations
- Ambipom : Could be a great opener, as he's able to baton pass, make a u-turn or even strikes the opponent with his good attack and speed stats.
- Ditto : Just to make fun of the opponent :p

This is basically a quick list of useful normal pokemon which could effectively be improved with other normal pokemon, but to me these seems the most helpful of the normal family.
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No Tauros? No Ursaring? No Miltank? Bleh

And thank god you mentioned Butterfree, one of the most underrated team player out there.
 
Even though it's sub-awesome otherwise, Girafarig could be interesting in a mono-Normal team since it learns good teamworkmoves like CM, Agility, Baton Pass, and Wish, lacks the usual Fighting weakness that Normal-Types have, and has STAB Psychic attacks to take out Fighting Types.

Kumar said:
I would just like to say that Normal and Water teams probably will the the most potential but mono-type teams are fail anyway.
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Way to constructively contribute to the thread.
 
X-Codes said:
Even though it's sub-awesome otherwise, Girafarig could be interesting in a mono-Normal team since it learns good teamworkmoves like CM, Agility, Baton Pass, and Wish, lacks the usual Fighting weakness that Normal-Types have, and has STAB Psychic attacks to take out Fighting Types.


Way to constructively contribute to the thread.
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Also, it's immune to ghost!
 
Not that I'm picking on you in particular, but that statement is just silly. If Girafarig got an evolution and Aipom didn't, we'd be saying Aipom needed an evolution.
 
Great Sage said:
Not that I'm picking on you in particular, but that statement is just silly. If Girafarig got an evolution and Aipom didn't, we'd be saying Aipom needed an evolution.
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...I'm confused. Aipom evolves into Ambipom.

If you meant Ambipom, Technician + Double Hit + STAB + 100 Base Attack is very respectable. Throw in Payback and suddenly Timid Alakazam, Starmie, Gengar, Espeon, and Mismagius are in a whole world of hurt. Whats more, compared to Ambipom stat-wise, Girafarig has almost comparable attacks, same defenses and HP, and heavy speed cut. A minor evolution increasing the BST by 50 or so, maybe adding a couple moves to the movepool. Heck, you could even do a good/evil split evolution, one stays normal/psychic and the other turns dark/psychic. Now 1 UU pokemon turns into 2 BL pokemons.

On the other hand, if you meant that, during the development of D/P, there was a list of 'mons up for getting a new evolution that Girafarig was cut from, then I didn't know that and, frankly, Girafarig should still get an evolution.
 
Please learn to read.

He's stating a hypothetical situation in which Aipom wouldn't have gotten an evolution in D/P. This means that he wouldn't be able to evolve into Ambipom. Instead, Girafarig got its own evolution. In that hypothetical case, we would be saying that Aipom needed the evolution much more.
 
Don't forget Dunsparce for more serene grace H4X. Exploud makes for an average mixed sweeper. Lopunny for item messing (granted its a gimmick, but It works some of the time), and Bibarel for the lulz.
 
Bankai said:
Please learn to read.

He's stating a hypothetical situation in which Aipom wouldn't have gotten an evolution in D/P. This means that he wouldn't be able to evolve into Ambipom. Instead, Girafarig got its own evolution. In that hypothetical case, we would be saying that Aipom needed the evolution much more.
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1) I'm not a Pokemon, I can't learn Mind Reader.

2) Obviously you can't read text. I addressed that interpretation of the post and it doesn't change my opinion that Girafarig should get an evolution. Did Aipom need an evolution? Yeah. Does that have anything to do at all with whether or not Girafarig should get an evolution? No.
 
Why do people always feel the need to defend themselves at the slightest mildly offensive remark? Ruins threads.

Bibarel is an awesome special wall if it can get an amnesia off.
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Not really, a special wall should be able to switch into special attacks, something bibarel can't do, it'll be dead before it gets the amnesia off. Normal has better special walls (blissey, snorlax) and so does water (Milotic, even Slowking).

I don't think a mono type team can work under a competitive atmosphere that well, but it can still perform if its only mostly monotype. An obvious example is electivire in a water team so you don't have to rely on swampert for electric attacks. Dragonite learns surf and is 4x resistant to grass so it would perform nicely on a water team too and not to be totally out of place.
 
Maslada said:
Not really, a special wall should be able to switch into special attacks, something bibarel can't do, it'll be dead before it gets the amnesia off. Normal has better special walls (blissey, snorlax) and so does water (Milotic, even Slowking).
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I know, that wasn't entirely serious.
 
Maslada said:
Why do people always feel the need to defend themselves at the slightest mildly offensive remark? Ruins threads.
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Being called illiterate is more than mildly offensive to me, especially when it's followed up by comments as half-witted as what Bankai spewed forth.

As for mono-type teams being better if they were "mostly" mono-type, thats not necessarily true. Using your example, the usual Electric weakness of Water types can be covered by Swampert, Lanturn, Kingdra, and Ludicolo, while the usual Grass weakness is covered by Kingdra, Gyarados, and, again, Ludicolo. Whats more, thats two 'mons capable of taking advantage of the single Electric weakness of Ground (Swampert and Gyarados make good quakers), the easily-exploitable Grass weakness to Ice (Kingdra, Starmie, and Ludicolo are great with Ice Beam), and, finally, solid Electric and Grass attacks to take out other water types (Ludicolo with Giga Drain, Lanturn and Starmie with Thunder).

This is mostly true for other teams as well. A mono-Normal team made up of Ambipom, Staraptor, Blissey, Porygon-Z, Togetic, and Miltank can hit Ghost, Rock, and Steel types hard, despite typing. You can also take out any threatening Ground types with Blissey, Paralyze the rest, and then Flinchhax everything left to death with Togetic.
 
X-Codes said:
Being called illiterate is more than mildly offensive to me, especially when it's followed up by comments as half-witted as what Bankai spewed forth.
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Your post implied that you had no idea at all what he meant.

However, the post was not meant to be offensive. Sorry if it was >.>
 
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