man this thing is hard to make cant give it hp fire 70 since he loses a speed iv and will lose to other shaymin, and hidden power ice is kinda nessisary for a special move pool since psychic is useless coverage wise, good thing he got earth power or he'd have nothing good to put in a 3rd slot, if you give him life orb it really just ruins the air slash hack but choice specs only make it so he could use just 1 move, counter, switch out, switch in, stealth rock damage, i guess the moveset above is pritty much the best one for special ones.
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Skymin Discussion Thread
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Stealth Rock is on the field almost all the time. Focus sash is hardly reliable except early game. Shaymin is most likely used late game when the rocks have already been set up.
Yeah Rapid Spin is nice but just about anything can set up Stealth Rocks, and it only takes a single turn.
Well, I certainly won't be as sorry to see this thing go, in my opinion Chomp is NOT uber, but that's off-topic.
This thing seems to be the OU arceus... frighteningly powerful, but all its sets fully counterable.
A giant 4x weakness should, in my opinion, keep anything not BST 680+ out of the uber tier.
This thing seems to be the OU arceus... frighteningly powerful, but all its sets fully counterable.
A giant 4x weakness should, in my opinion, keep anything not BST 680+ out of the uber tier.
Timid LO 252 Sp.Atk Shaymin using HP Ice on 252 HP / 252 Sp.Def Calm Zapdos: 38.28 - 45.05%. Switch into Stealth Rocks and its over.
There are still somelittle bugs(Knock Off+Rapid Spin Tentacruel), but the most things work.
battling with shaymin now, and I can say-- it's a good pokemon, but I'm not making that much mileage off it. 120 spATK is just not as invincible as it needs to be. >.>
I have one. And if you're so erked by it, you could always run air cutter. xD
I have seen Shaymin-S with Hidden Power (Fire) before. Not very common but they're definitely there. Say not so about Abomasnow, it can't switch into HP Fire. If the Shaymin is holding Yache Berry, Abomasnow can't kill it with Ice Shard, but I'm pretty sure Shaymin-S can KO back with HP Fire or Air Slash.
I feel that the term overcentralizing is used a bit too much these days. The fact of the matter is that, whether we like it or not, ALOT of pokemon are gaining ALOT more options and thus have ALOT more power. Next gen is only going to bring more moves and pokemon to deal with. Everyone is saying that pokemon X is overcentralizing, but that pokemon Y is overcentralizing as well. I just feel like we don't want to have to deal with these new threats, aka Skymin, CBMence, Aqua Tail CBTar, etc.
Regarding Abomasnow, I don't like the idea. Its like using Mamoswine to "counter" Garchomp with Ice Shard. The only difference is that Abomasnow has many more weaknesses, lesser (somewhat) defenses, and a crippling Stealth Rock weak. If we use Abomasnow, why not just use Articuno (I"m serious about Articuno, it can work).
Articuno is a great idea. The thing is, SR crippling IS a huge factor. You made it sound like SR is not a big deal. Sure it can be spinned, but still, while it is on the field, it is very inconvenient to switch in Articuno to counter Shaymin-S. It will work well if it works, but if it doesn't, then it doesn't. Since no SPINNER is faster than Skymin, I doubt you'd switch anything into Skymin to spin the rocks away before switching out Articuno.
And this is quite an unfortunate fact. It leaves all Ice types bar Mamoswine with an even less chance of picking Shaymin off. I have a feeling that outside of Registeel, Regice, and Bronzong, we'll need to find ways of getting around Shaymin, as well as other new threats.
I have an weird idea to revenge kill skymin without anyone dying. First, have a water type on the field and wait for skymin to come in, then, skymin uses seed flare or sub, depend(the part you have to predict), if it seed flares, go to heatran and strike it. If it subs, ice beam it then predict all over again.
Have had two battles against him, and I found him rather bleh, though I did get lucky with my prediction skills. The first battle, he came in on Blissey and ate a Toxic - second, he came in on a Hippowdon, and ate a Stone Edge. So far, nothing major, even though I really don't have a counter (and I have three Pokemon weak to grass)
I wouldn't be so quick to jump to that conclusion. Remember Garchomp at the start of D/P? Widely hyped before playtesting and rather underwhelming to begin with, but one year down the line and it became the most dominating force in the metagame by a country mile, eventually becoming Uber.
I have been testing a lead specs set. Quite nice, though not that amazing.
Also to those saying "it could end up like Garchomp" I really don't think it can. Garchomp became the dominating force it was when the Yache Berry set was discovered. Skymin can use Yache Berry but it gives up one of two things. Speed or Power. Meanwhile Skymin does not have a move that can boost its special attack two stages (except for a psuedo Seed Flare drop).
Also to those saying "it could end up like Garchomp" I really don't think it can. Garchomp became the dominating force it was when the Yache Berry set was discovered. Skymin can use Yache Berry but it gives up one of two things. Speed or Power. Meanwhile Skymin does not have a move that can boost its special attack two stages (except for a psuedo Seed Flare drop).
Heatran is OHKOed by Earth Power, and prediction isn't always trustable.
It doesn't give up speed and power. 127 Base speed, at Timid-252, is already fast enough to outspeed EVERYTHING other than Aerodactyl, Crobat, Deoxys-e, Ninjask, Electrode and Jolteon in OU, unless something is Scarfed. So on the topic of speed, it wins. Base 120 special attack is great. With STAB Seed Flare dealing massive damage and carrying an 80% Chance of -2 SPD drop and STAB Air Slash with 60% Flinch rate due to Serene Grace, it's good enough. It may lose some power to the Choice Specs. set but other than that, it's nearly perfect. That 80% chance Seed Flare drop dominates Garchomp's Sword Dance in a few ways: 1) It does damage of an 180-Powered move while still has 80% chance of doing it. 2) If the opponent switches, you get a free attack, and possibly lowering the SPD again.
Are you capable of adding anything to the discussion except listing off facts that are easily known by all?
I was just making a point to the quote above my previous post as someone's stating that Heatran can counter SkyMin. If you read my post then you'd know.
Shaymin-s @ Life Orb
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 Spe/252 SAtk/4 SDef
Timid Nature
- Seed Flare
- Leech Seed
- Substitute
- Earth Power
has been working well for me, especially with Dual Screen Deoxys-S. Substitute and Life Orb seems weird, but I have Leech Seed for that reason. However this set sacrifices coverage against Steels and Flyings, but I also use an Overheat Rotom along with it. Rotom is still a decent Fighting counter also, so that seems good.
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 Spe/252 SAtk/4 SDef
Timid Nature
- Seed Flare
- Leech Seed
- Substitute
- Earth Power
has been working well for me, especially with Dual Screen Deoxys-S. Substitute and Life Orb seems weird, but I have Leech Seed for that reason. However this set sacrifices coverage against Steels and Flyings, but I also use an Overheat Rotom along with it. Rotom is still a decent Fighting counter also, so that seems good.
I did read your post, and it contained nothing that other party doesn't surely know already. It is obvious heatran would be 1hko's by earthpower but please, you can use your brain right? You can predict right? If you're not able to, then you might as well not be in this game shaymin or not. Plenty of pokemon have ways to screw their "counters," but that doesn't mean they aren't good switch ins or valuable for team building. Please apply some common sense to it. It's like you're being hysterically, idiotically fearful of the little green puppy.