Metagame SM LC

[Acehunter1]

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Why play SM LC?

- It's balanced and diverse: The meta has a wide range of viable threats and team archetypes, and each individual Pokemon tends to have many viable sets to choose from. It is also the only generation with Z moves, which open many additional possibilities on many Pokemon.
- It's accessible: Being the generation closest to Gen 8, the meta is very similar to SS LC in terms of the main threats, with the notable exceptions of Vullaby and a few others. It is relatively easy to pick up for a player without prior experience, once he or she gets used to the presence of Z-moves and Hidden Power.
- It's relatively stable: Despite Sticky Web being banned after it became an oldgen, the meta has been very stable since the end of Gen 7. A diverse set of builds have consistently been viable over the years, giving players a lot of solid options to choose from.

Banlist

Pokemon:
Moves: Dragon Rage, Sonic Boom, Swagger, Baton Pass, Sticky Web
Abilities: Moody
Items: Eevium-Z
Clauses: Species, Sleep, OHKO, Evasion

Sample Teams


Standard Bulky Offense - by Ninjadog


Scarf Pawniard + NP Vull - by Starmaster


GastBra Hyper-Offense - by Acehunter1


Veils Setup Spam - by Corporal Levi


Screech Diglett Fightspam - by Luthier


Scarf Mienfoo Offense - by Toadow


Icium-Z Staryu - by Unknown


FerroSpritz + Scarf Mudbray - by Unknown


Z-Fire Ponyta - by Voltix (winner of SM LC Cup II)

Big thanks to Corporal Levi, Coconut, LilyAC, ninjadog, and Star for making this thread possible!

 

[Acehunter1]

Viability rankings

S
Vullaby

A+
Abra
Diglett
Foongus
Mienfoo
Onix
Pawniard
Staryu

A
Ferroseed
Gastly
Mareanie
Timburr

A-
Magnemite
Mudbray
Ponyta
Snivy
Spritzee

B+
Carvanha
Clamperl
Corphish
Magby
Munchlax
Rufflet
Shellder
Tirtouga
Vulpix-Alola

B
Doduo
Dwebble
Frillish
Grimer-Alola
Meowth
Omanyte
Scraggy
Torchic
Zigzagoon

B-
Archen
Bunnelby
Chespin
Croagunk
Elekid
Pumpkaboo-Super
Slowpoke
Snubbull
Taillow
Wynaut

C+
Amaura
Chinchou
Cottonee
Honedge
Larvesta
Pikipek
Riolu
Salandit
Stunky

C
Budew
Drilbur
Koffing
Lileep
Pancham
Pumpkaboo-Small
Sandshrew-Alola
Venipede

C-
Anorith
Axew
Cranidos
Deerling
Hippopotas
Natu
Sandile
Snover
Trubbish

 

[megatyler30]

Acehunter1 Who is on SM LC council? Also, what was the reasoning that lead to the Sticky Webs ban? Was that a council vote?

 

[Acehunter1]

Acehunter1 Who is on SM LC council? Also, what was the reasoning that lead to the Sticky Webs ban? Was that a council vote?

Right now, SM LC doesn't really have an official council. There is a Discord server that was and can be used to bring up potential tiering discussions, found in Levi's post here. It is no longer very active, however, and I'd say the most "active" members would be those mentioned in the OP and myself.
As for Sticky Web, it was indeed banned by council vote, which can be found here. I might not be the best to explain the reasoning, since I was anti-ban myself. However, from my understanding, a majority of the council considered webs to be a matchup fish that was unhealthy for the metagame. Running enough counterplay for webs meant being worse against other matchups, and if you don't and face webs, you end up having very one-sided, close to auto-lose matchups. Someone can correct me if my summary isn't exactly accurate.

 

[Acehunter1]

So it's been a while. If you haven't noticed, the SM Mienfoo analysis on Smogon was updated back in May to better reflect the current metagame.
However, today, I'm glad to announce that the Smogon SM LC analysis for Vullaby, the most influential Pokemon of the tier, has been fully revamped! After almost 4 months in the works, you can finally find a detailed, up to date analysis on the complex Pokemon that is Vullaby here: https://www.smogon.com/dex/sm/pokemon/vullaby/

Big thanks to Nineage for having written a good chunk of the revamp back in 2019, giving us a great template to start from. Also big thanks to DC, LilyAC, and Corporal Levi, without whom this update wouldn't have been possible!

 

[Acehunter1]

SM LC Cup II Usage Stats

Round 1

+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon            | Use  | Usage % |  Win %  |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1    | Vullaby            |  103 |  80.47% |  52.43% |
| 2    | Mienfoo            |   67 |  52.34% |  53.73% |
| 3    | Diglett            |   62 |  48.44% |  56.45% |
| 4    | Onix               |   38 |  29.69% |  50.00% |
| 4    | Foongus            |   38 |  29.69% |  36.84% |
| 6    | Abra               |   36 |  28.12% |  50.00% |
| 6    | Pawniard           |   36 |  28.12% |  44.44% |
| 8    | Staryu             |   35 |  27.34% |  42.86% |
| 9    | Timburr            |   31 |  24.22% |  54.84% |
| 10   | Ferroseed          |   30 |  23.44% |  73.33% |
| 10   | Spritzee           |   30 |  23.44% |  63.33% |
| 12   | Gastly             |   28 |  21.88% |  67.86% |
| 13   | Mareanie           |   27 |  21.09% |  51.85% |
| 14   | Mudbray            |   25 |  19.53% |  60.00% |
| 15   | Ponyta             |   17 |  13.28% |  47.06% |
| 16   | Magnemite          |   15 |  11.72% |  20.00% |
| 17   | Snivy              |   14 |  10.94% |  21.43% |
| 18   | Grimer-Alola       |    7 |   5.47% |  71.43% |
| 18   | Chinchou           |    7 |   5.47% |  57.14% |
| 18   | Shellder           |    7 |   5.47% |  57.14% |
| 18   | Doduo              |    7 |   5.47% |  42.86% |
| 18   | Tirtouga           |    7 |   5.47% |  42.86% |
| 18   | Vulpix-Alola       |    7 |   5.47% |  42.86% |
| 24   | Zigzagoon          |    6 |   4.69% |  66.67% |
| 24   | Corphish           |    6 |   4.69% |  33.33% |
| 26   | Elekid             |    5 |   3.91% |  40.00% |
| 26   | Scraggy            |    5 |   3.91% |  40.00% |
| 26   | Croagunk           |    5 |   3.91% |  20.00% |
| 26   | Carvanha           |    5 |   3.91% |  20.00% |
| 30   | Magby              |    4 |   3.12% |  75.00% |
| 31   | Omanyte            |    3 |   2.34% |  66.67% |
| 31   | Clamperl           |    3 |   2.34% |  66.67% |
| 31   | Snubbull           |    3 |   2.34% |  66.67% |
| 31   | Wynaut             |    3 |   2.34% |  33.33% |
| 31   | Rufflet            |    3 |   2.34% |   0.00% |
| 36   | Honedge            |    2 |   1.56% | 100.00% |
| 36   | Pikipek            |    2 |   1.56% | 100.00% |
| 36   | Taillow            |    2 |   1.56% | 100.00% |
| 36   | Cottonee           |    2 |   1.56% | 100.00% |
| 36   | Wimpod             |    2 |   1.56% |  50.00% |
| 36   | Phanpy             |    2 |   1.56% |  50.00% |
| 36   | Kabuto             |    2 |   1.56% |  50.00% |
| 36   | Dwebble            |    2 |   1.56% |   0.00% |
| 36   | Munchlax           |    2 |   1.56% |   0.00% |
| 36   | Larvesta           |    2 |   1.56% |   0.00% |
| 36   | Aron               |    2 |   1.56% |   0.00% |
| 36   | Bagon              |    2 |   1.56% |   0.00% |
| 36   | Azurill            |    2 |   1.56% |   0.00% |
| 36   | Bulbasaur          |    2 |   1.56% |   0.00% |
| 50   | Chespin            |    1 |   0.78% | 100.00% |
| 50   | Sandile            |    1 |   0.78% | 100.00% |
| -    | Pumpkaboo-*        |    1 |   0.78% |   0.00% |
| 50   | Pumpkaboo-Super    |    1 |   0.78% |   0.00% |
| 50   | Krabby             |    1 |   0.78% |   0.00% |
| 50   | Torchic            |    1 |   0.78% |   0.00% |
| 50   | Pancham            |    1 |   0.78% |   0.00% |
| 50   | Cranidos           |    1 |   0.78% |   0.00% |
| 50   | Hippopotas         |    1 |   0.78% |   0.00% |
| 50   | Drilbur            |    1 |   0.78% |   0.00% |
| 50   | Frillish           |    1 |   0.78% |   0.00% |
| 50   | Natu               |    1 |   0.78% |   0.00% |
| 50   | Cubone             |    1 |   0.78% |   0.00% |
| 50   | Machop             |    1 |   0.78% |   0.00% |
| 50   | Bunnelby           |    1 |   0.78% |   0.00% |
| 50   | Axew               |    1 |   0.78% |   0.00% |

Round 2

+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon            | Use  | Usage % |  Win %  |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1    | Vullaby            |   98 |  83.05% |  51.02% |
| 2    | Diglett            |   61 |  51.69% |  47.54% |
| 3    | Mienfoo            |   56 |  47.46% |  37.50% |
| 4    | Timburr            |   44 |  37.29% |  61.36% |
| 5    | Pawniard           |   40 |  33.90% |  52.50% |
| 6    | Ferroseed          |   39 |  33.05% |  58.97% |
| 7    | Spritzee           |   37 |  31.36% |  62.16% |
| 8    | Staryu             |   33 |  27.97% |  57.58% |
| 9    | Foongus            |   32 |  27.12% |  40.62% |
| 9    | Onix               |   32 |  27.12% |  31.25% |
| 11   | Abra               |   27 |  22.88% |  44.44% |
| 12   | Mareanie           |   24 |  20.34% |  54.17% |
| 13   | Mudbray            |   21 |  17.80% |  66.67% |
| 13   | Gastly             |   21 |  17.80% |  47.62% |
| 15   | Ponyta             |   12 |  10.17% |  58.33% |
| 15   | Snivy              |   12 |  10.17% |  41.67% |
| 15   | Magnemite          |   12 |  10.17% |  41.67% |
| 18   | Zigzagoon          |    8 |   6.78% |  62.50% |
| 19   | Vulpix-Alola       |    7 |   5.93% |  71.43% |
| 20   | Chinchou           |    6 |   5.08% |  33.33% |
| 21   | Magby              |    5 |   4.24% |  40.00% |
| 21   | Grimer-Alola       |    5 |   4.24% |  40.00% |
| 21   | Frillish           |    5 |   4.24% |  40.00% |
| 21   | Shellder           |    5 |   4.24% |  20.00% |
| 25   | Scraggy            |    4 |   3.39% |  75.00% |
| 25   | Rufflet            |    4 |   3.39% |  50.00% |
| 25   | Snubbull           |    4 |   3.39% |  50.00% |
| 25   | Cottonee           |    4 |   3.39% |  25.00% |
| 25   | Clamperl           |    4 |   3.39% |   0.00% |
| 30   | Tirtouga           |    3 |   2.54% | 100.00% |
| 30   | Doduo              |    3 |   2.54% | 100.00% |
| 30   | Corphish           |    3 |   2.54% | 100.00% |
| 30   | Archen             |    3 |   2.54% |  66.67% |
| 30   | Wynaut             |    3 |   2.54% |  33.33% |
| 30   | Croagunk           |    3 |   2.54% |  33.33% |
| 30   | Elekid             |    3 |   2.54% |  33.33% |
| 37   | Honedge            |    2 |   1.69% | 100.00% |
| 37   | Pikipek            |    2 |   1.69% | 100.00% |
| 37   | Sandshrew          |    2 |   1.69% | 100.00% |
| 37   | Bunnelby           |    2 |   1.69% |  50.00% |
| 37   | Omanyte            |    2 |   1.69% |   0.00% |
| 37   | Wimpod             |    2 |   1.69% |   0.00% |
| 43   | Kabuto             |    1 |   0.85% | 100.00% |
| 43   | Pineco             |    1 |   0.85% | 100.00% |
| 43   | Cranidos           |    1 |   0.85% | 100.00% |
| 43   | Taillow            |    1 |   0.85% | 100.00% |
| 43   | Slowpoke           |    1 |   0.85% |   0.00% |
| 43   | Sandile            |    1 |   0.85% |   0.00% |
| 43   | Pancham            |    1 |   0.85% |   0.00% |
| 43   | Natu               |    1 |   0.85% |   0.00% |
| 43   | Munchlax           |    1 |   0.85% |   0.00% |
| 43   | Chespin            |    1 |   0.85% |   0.00% |
| 43   | Larvesta           |    1 |   0.85% |   0.00% |
| 43   | Bulbasaur          |    1 |   0.85% |   0.00% |
| 43   | Drilbur            |    1 |   0.85% |   0.00% |

Round 3

+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon            | Use  | Usage % |  Win %  |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1    | Vullaby            |   43 |  76.79% |  41.86% |
| 2    | Diglett            |   24 |  42.86% |  37.50% |
| 3    | Mienfoo            |   23 |  41.07% |  39.13% |
| 4    | Pawniard           |   20 |  35.71% |  45.00% |
| 5    | Ferroseed          |   19 |  33.93% |  47.37% |
| 6    | Timburr            |   18 |  32.14% |  66.67% |
| 7    | Staryu             |   16 |  28.57% |  43.75% |
| 8    | Spritzee           |   15 |  26.79% |  60.00% |
| 9    | Mudbray            |   13 |  23.21% |  69.23% |
| 9    | Foongus            |   13 |  23.21% |  53.85% |
| 9    | Abra               |   13 |  23.21% |  46.15% |
| 12   | Mareanie           |   12 |  21.43% |  33.33% |
| 13   | Onix               |   11 |  19.64% |  54.55% |
| 14   | Gastly             |    6 |  10.71% |  66.67% |
| 14   | Magnemite          |    6 |  10.71% |  50.00% |
| 14   | Corphish           |    6 |  10.71% |  50.00% |
| 14   | Snivy              |    6 |  10.71% |  50.00% |
| 18   | Ponyta             |    5 |   8.93% |  60.00% |
| 18   | Zigzagoon          |    5 |   8.93% |  60.00% |
| 20   | Vulpix-Alola       |    4 |   7.14% |  75.00% |
| 20   | Grimer-Alola       |    4 |   7.14% |  75.00% |
| 20   | Shellder           |    4 |   7.14% |  50.00% |
| 20   | Taillow            |    4 |   7.14% |  50.00% |
| 24   | Doduo              |    3 |   5.36% |  66.67% |
| 24   | Scraggy            |    3 |   5.36% |  66.67% |
| 24   | Frillish           |    3 |   5.36% |  66.67% |
| 27   | Wynaut             |    2 |   3.57% | 100.00% |
| 27   | Chinchou           |    2 |   3.57% | 100.00% |
| 27   | Clamperl           |    2 |   3.57% |  50.00% |
| 27   | Croagunk           |    2 |   3.57% |  50.00% |
| 27   | Pineco             |    2 |   3.57% |  50.00% |
| 27   | Cranidos           |    2 |   3.57% |  50.00% |
| 27   | Snubbull           |    2 |   3.57% |  50.00% |
| 27   | Drilbur            |    2 |   3.57% |  50.00% |
| 27   | Elekid             |    2 |   3.57% |   0.00% |
| 27   | Honedge            |    2 |   3.57% |   0.00% |
| 27   | Pikipek            |    2 |   3.57% |   0.00% |
| 38   | Kabuto             |    1 |   1.79% | 100.00% |
| 38   | Magby              |    1 |   1.79% | 100.00% |
| 38   | Omanyte            |    1 |   1.79% | 100.00% |
| 38   | Meowth             |    1 |   1.79% | 100.00% |
| 38   | Budew              |    1 |   1.79% | 100.00% |
| 38   | Hippopotas         |    1 |   1.79% | 100.00% |
| 38   | Larvesta           |    1 |   1.79% | 100.00% |
| 38   | Snover             |    1 |   1.79% | 100.00% |
| 38   | Sandshrew-Alola    |    1 |   1.79% | 100.00% |
| 38   | Rufflet            |    1 |   1.79% |   0.00% |
| 38   | Axew               |    1 |   1.79% |   0.00% |
| 38   | Stunky             |    1 |   1.79% |   0.00% |
| 38   | Fletchling         |    1 |   1.79% |   0.00% |
| 38   | Tirtouga           |    1 |   1.79% |   0.00% |
| 38   | Munchlax           |    1 |   1.79% |   0.00% |

Round 4

+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon            | Use  | Usage % |  Win %  |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1    | Vullaby            |   32 |  84.21% |  50.00% |
| 2    | Ferroseed          |   22 |  57.89% |  54.55% |
| 3    | Timburr            |   15 |  39.47% |  53.33% |
| 4    | Mienfoo            |   14 |  36.84% |  57.14% |
| 4    | Onix               |   14 |  36.84% |  50.00% |
| 6    | Pawniard           |   12 |  31.58% |  41.67% |
| 6    | Staryu             |   12 |  31.58% |  33.33% |
| 8    | Spritzee           |   11 |  28.95% |  18.18% |
| 9    | Mareanie           |   10 |  26.32% |  60.00% |
| 9    | Diglett            |   10 |  26.32% |  40.00% |
| 11   | Mudbray            |    9 |  23.68% |  66.67% |
| 11   | Foongus            |    9 |  23.68% |  55.56% |
| 13   | Gastly             |    7 |  18.42% |  71.43% |
| 14   | Abra               |    6 |  15.79% |  33.33% |
| 15   | Doduo              |    4 |  10.53% |  50.00% |
| 15   | Snivy              |    4 |  10.53% |  50.00% |
| 15   | Rufflet            |    4 |  10.53% |  25.00% |
| 18   | Carvanha           |    3 |   7.89% |  66.67% |
| 18   | Drilbur            |    3 |   7.89% |  66.67% |
| 18   | Magnemite          |    3 |   7.89% |  66.67% |
| 21   | Snubbull           |    2 |   5.26% | 100.00% |
| 21   | Tirtouga           |    2 |   5.26% | 100.00% |
| 21   | Scraggy            |    2 |   5.26% |  50.00% |
| 21   | Frillish           |    2 |   5.26% |  50.00% |
| 21   | Grimer-Alola       |    2 |   5.26% |   0.00% |
| 26   | Sandile            |    1 |   2.63% | 100.00% |
| 26   | Pikipek            |    1 |   2.63% | 100.00% |
| 26   | Clamperl           |    1 |   2.63% | 100.00% |
| 26   | Croagunk           |    1 |   2.63% | 100.00% |
| 26   | Slowpoke           |    1 |   2.63% | 100.00% |
| 26   | Kabuto             |    1 |   2.63% | 100.00% |
| 26   | Wynaut             |    1 |   2.63% | 100.00% |
| 26   | Elekid             |    1 |   2.63% |   0.00% |
| 26   | Ponyta             |    1 |   2.63% |   0.00% |
| 26   | Dwebble            |    1 |   2.63% |   0.00% |
| 26   | Vulpix-Alola       |    1 |   2.63% |   0.00% |
| 26   | Chinchou           |    1 |   2.63% |   0.00% |
| 26   | Corphish           |    1 |   2.63% |   0.00% |
| 26   | Morelull           |    1 |   2.63% |   0.00% |

Round 5

+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon            | Use  | Usage % |  Win %  |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1    | Vullaby            |   17 |  85.00% |  41.18% |
| 2    | Ferroseed          |    9 |  45.00% |  44.44% |
| 2    | Mienfoo            |    9 |  45.00% |  44.44% |
| 4    | Pawniard           |    8 |  40.00% |  75.00% |
| 4    | Diglett            |    8 |  40.00% |  50.00% |
| 4    | Timburr            |    8 |  40.00% |  37.50% |
| 7    | Staryu             |    7 |  35.00% |  57.14% |
| 8    | Abra               |    6 |  30.00% |  83.33% |
| 8    | Mareanie           |    6 |  30.00% |  50.00% |
| 8    | Onix               |    6 |  30.00% |  33.33% |
| 11   | Foongus            |    5 |  25.00% |  20.00% |
| 12   | Spritzee           |    3 |  15.00% |  66.67% |
| 12   | Snubbull           |    3 |  15.00% |  66.67% |
| 12   | Snivy              |    3 |  15.00% |  66.67% |
| 12   | Mudbray            |    3 |  15.00% |  33.33% |
| 12   | Magnemite          |    3 |  15.00% |  33.33% |
| 17   | Gastly             |    2 |  10.00% | 100.00% |
| 17   | Doduo              |    2 |  10.00% |  50.00% |
| 17   | Ponyta             |    2 |  10.00% |  50.00% |
| 20   | Kabuto             |    1 |   5.00% | 100.00% |
| 20   | Wynaut             |    1 |   5.00% | 100.00% |
| 20   | Vulpix-Alola       |    1 |   5.00% | 100.00% |
| 20   | Scraggy            |    1 |   5.00% | 100.00% |
| 20   | Magby              |    1 |   5.00% | 100.00% |
| 20   | Corphish           |    1 |   5.00% |   0.00% |
| 20   | Salandit           |    1 |   5.00% |   0.00% |
| 20   | Frillish           |    1 |   5.00% |   0.00% |
| 20   | Drilbur            |    1 |   5.00% |   0.00% |
| 20   | Chespin            |    1 |   5.00% |   0.00% |

Semifinals

+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon            | Use  | Usage % |  Win %  |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1    | Vullaby            |    6 |  60.00% |  83.33% |
| 2    | Timburr            |    5 |  50.00% |  60.00% |
| 3    | Ferroseed          |    4 |  40.00% |  50.00% |
| 3    | Onix               |    4 |  40.00% |  50.00% |
| 3    | Mienfoo            |    4 |  40.00% |  25.00% |
| 6    | Diglett            |    3 |  30.00% |  66.67% |
| 6    | Mareanie           |    3 |  30.00% |  66.67% |
| 6    | Staryu             |    3 |  30.00% |  33.33% |
| 6    | Doduo              |    3 |  30.00% |  33.33% |
| 6    | Gastly             |    3 |  30.00% |  33.33% |
| 6    | Mudbray            |    3 |  30.00% |  33.33% |
| 6    | Pawniard           |    3 |  30.00% |   0.00% |
| 13   | Spritzee           |    2 |  20.00% | 100.00% |
| 13   | Abra               |    2 |  20.00% |  50.00% |
| 13   | Foongus            |    2 |  20.00% |   0.00% |
| 16   | Vulpix-Alola       |    1 |  10.00% | 100.00% |
| 16   | Scraggy            |    1 |  10.00% | 100.00% |
| 16   | Magby              |    1 |  10.00% | 100.00% |
| 16   | Dwebble            |    1 |  10.00% | 100.00% |
| 16   | Elekid             |    1 |  10.00% | 100.00% |
| 16   | Magnemite          |    1 |  10.00% | 100.00% |
| 16   | Snubbull           |    1 |  10.00% |   0.00% |
| 16   | Snivy              |    1 |  10.00% |   0.00% |
| 16   | Kabuto             |    1 |  10.00% |   0.00% |
| 16   | Wynaut             |    1 |  10.00% |   0.00% |

Finals

+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon            | Use  | Usage % |  Win %  |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1    | Vullaby            |    4 | 100.00% |  50.00% |
| 2    | Diglett            |    3 |  75.00% |  33.33% |
| 3    | Ponyta             |    2 |  50.00% | 100.00% |
| 3    | Gastly             |    2 |  50.00% |  50.00% |
| 3    | Staryu             |    2 |  50.00% |  50.00% |
| 3    | Onix               |    2 |  50.00% |   0.00% |
| 7    | Spritzee           |    1 |  25.00% | 100.00% |
| 7    | Ferroseed          |    1 |  25.00% | 100.00% |
| 7    | Pawniard           |    1 |  25.00% | 100.00% |
| 7    | Mudbray            |    1 |  25.00% | 100.00% |
| 7    | Mienfoo            |    1 |  25.00% | 100.00% |
| 7    | Snivy              |    1 |  25.00% |   0.00% |
| 7    | Mareanie           |    1 |  25.00% |   0.00% |
| 7    | Doduo              |    1 |  25.00% |   0.00% |
| 7    | Pikipek            |    1 |  25.00% |   0.00% |

Cumulative

+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon            | Use  | Usage % |  Win %  |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1    | Vullaby            |  303 |  81.02% |  50.17% |
| 2    | Mienfoo            |  174 |  46.52% |  45.98% |
| 3    | Diglett            |  171 |  45.72% |  49.12% |
| 4    | Ferroseed          |  124 |  33.16% |  58.87% |
| 5    | Timburr            |  121 |  32.35% |  57.85% |
| 6    | Pawniard           |  120 |  32.09% |  48.33% |
| 7    | Staryu             |  108 |  28.88% |  47.22% |
| 8    | Onix               |  107 |  28.61% |  42.99% |
| 9    | Spritzee           |   99 |  26.47% |  58.59% |
| 9    | Foongus            |   99 |  26.47% |  40.40% |
| 11   | Abra               |   90 |  24.06% |  48.89% |
| 12   | Mareanie           |   83 |  22.19% |  50.60% |
| 13   | Mudbray            |   75 |  20.05% |  62.67% |
| 14   | Gastly             |   69 |  18.45% |  60.87% |
| 15   | Snivy              |   41 |  10.96% |  36.59% |
| 16   | Magnemite          |   40 |  10.70% |  37.50% |
| 17   | Ponyta             |   39 |  10.43% |  53.85% |
| 18   | Doduo              |   23 |   6.15% |  52.17% |
| 19   | Vulpix-Alola       |   21 |   5.61% |  61.90% |
| 20   | Zigzagoon          |   19 |   5.08% |  63.16% |
| 21   | Grimer-Alola       |   18 |   4.81% |  55.56% |
| 22   | Corphish           |   17 |   4.55% |  47.06% |
| 23   | Scraggy            |   16 |   4.28% |  62.50% |
| 23   | Chinchou           |   16 |   4.28% |  50.00% |
| 23   | Shellder           |   16 |   4.28% |  43.75% |
| 26   | Snubbull           |   15 |   4.01% |  60.00% |
| 27   | Tirtouga           |   13 |   3.48% |  61.54% |
| 28   | Magby              |   12 |   3.21% |  66.67% |
| 28   | Frillish           |   12 |   3.21% |  41.67% |
| 28   | Elekid             |   12 |   3.21% |  33.33% |
| 28   | Rufflet            |   12 |   3.21% |  25.00% |
| 32   | Wynaut             |   11 |   2.94% |  54.55% |
| 32   | Croagunk           |   11 |   2.94% |  36.36% |
| 34   | Clamperl           |   10 |   2.67% |  40.00% |
| 35   | Pikipek            |    8 |   2.14% |  62.50% |
| 35   | Carvanha           |    8 |   2.14% |  37.50% |
| 35   | Drilbur            |    8 |   2.14% |  37.50% |
| 38   | Taillow            |    7 |   1.87% |  71.43% |
| 38   | Kabuto             |    7 |   1.87% |  71.43% |
| 40   | Honedge            |    6 |   1.60% |  66.67% |
| 40   | Omanyte            |    6 |   1.60% |  50.00% |
| 40   | Cottonee           |    6 |   1.60% |  50.00% |
| 43   | Cranidos           |    4 |   1.07% |  50.00% |
| 43   | Wimpod             |    4 |   1.07% |  25.00% |
| 43   | Dwebble            |    4 |   1.07% |  25.00% |
| 43   | Larvesta           |    4 |   1.07% |  25.00% |
| 43   | Munchlax           |    4 |   1.07% |   0.00% |
| 48   | Sandile            |    3 |   0.80% |  66.67% |
| 48   | Archen             |    3 |   0.80% |  66.67% |
| 48   | Pineco             |    3 |   0.80% |  66.67% |
| 48   | Chespin            |    3 |   0.80% |  33.33% |
| 48   | Bunnelby           |    3 |   0.80% |  33.33% |
| 48   | Bulbasaur          |    3 |   0.80% |   0.00% |
| 54   | Sandshrew          |    2 |   0.53% | 100.00% |
| 54   | Phanpy             |    2 |   0.53% |  50.00% |
| 54   | Hippopotas         |    2 |   0.53% |  50.00% |
| 54   | Slowpoke           |    2 |   0.53% |  50.00% |
| 54   | Pancham            |    2 |   0.53% |   0.00% |
| 54   | Natu               |    2 |   0.53% |   0.00% |
| 54   | Axew               |    2 |   0.53% |   0.00% |
| 54   | Aron               |    2 |   0.53% |   0.00% |
| 54   | Bagon              |    2 |   0.53% |   0.00% |
| 54   | Azurill            |    2 |   0.53% |   0.00% |
| 64   | Meowth             |    1 |   0.27% | 100.00% |
| 64   | Budew              |    1 |   0.27% | 100.00% |
| 64   | Snover             |    1 |   0.27% | 100.00% |
| 64   | Sandshrew-Alola    |    1 |   0.27% | 100.00% |
| -    | Pumpkaboo-*        |    1 |   0.27% |   0.00% |
| 64   | Pumpkaboo-Super    |    1 |   0.27% |   0.00% |
| 64   | Krabby             |    1 |   0.27% |   0.00% |
| 64   | Torchic            |    1 |   0.27% |   0.00% |
| 64   | Cubone             |    1 |   0.27% |   0.00% |
| 64   | Machop             |    1 |   0.27% |   0.00% |
| 64   | Stunky             |    1 |   0.27% |   0.00% |
| 64   | Fletchling         |    1 |   0.27% |   0.00% |
| 64   | Morelull           |    1 |   0.27% |   0.00% |
| 64   | Salandit           |    1 |   0.27% |   0.00% |

 

[Acehunter1]

SM LC Cup II Highlight Matches

Here are some of my personal favorite cool matches from each round!

Round 1:
Kingler vs gali
Voltix vs giove97
Charis_Akins vs MuffinMelody
Toadow vs iss

Round 2:
Nineveh vs Luthier
Stecolomaxx vs Magician
reggg vs zben
MOHAMEDALL vs Voltix

Round 3:
Mikaav vs ninjadog
Medeia vs Sciroccoo
gali vs Flou

Round 4:
Surfy vs Charis_Akins
Stecolomaxx vs Scirocco
Leafium Z vs zben

Round 5:
HSOWA vs zben
Eeveeto vs Heysup

Semifinals:
Voltix vs Heysup

Finals:
Charis_Akins vs Voltix

 

[Acehunter1]

SM LC Cup III Usage Stats

Round 1

+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon            | Use  | Usage % |  Win %  |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1    | Vullaby            |  103 |  90.35% |  50.49% |
| 2    | Diglett            |   54 |  47.37% |  50.00% |
| 3    | Pawniard           |   47 |  41.23% |  55.32% |
| 4    | Mienfoo            |   46 |  40.35% |  50.00% |
| 5    | Timburr            |   40 |  35.09% |  57.50% |
| 6    | Onix               |   35 |  30.70% |  51.43% |
| 6    | Foongus            |   35 |  30.70% |  45.71% |
| 8    | Spritzee           |   33 |  28.95% |  39.39% |
| 9    | Mareanie           |   30 |  26.32% |  60.00% |
| 9    | Staryu             |   30 |  26.32% |  46.67% |
| 11   | Abra               |   29 |  25.44% |  58.62% |
| 12   | Ferroseed          |   22 |  19.30% |  45.45% |
| 13   | Mudbray            |   16 |  14.04% |  50.00% |
| 14   | Ponyta             |   15 |  13.16% |  53.33% |
| 14   | Vulpix-Alola       |   15 |  13.16% |  40.00% |
| 16   | Snivy              |   13 |  11.40% |  53.85% |
| 17   | Gastly             |   11 |   9.65% |  54.55% |
| 17   | Magnemite          |   11 |   9.65% |  45.45% |
| 17   | Scraggy            |   11 |   9.65% |  45.45% |
| 20   | Magby              |    9 |   7.89% |  55.56% |
| 21   | Rufflet            |    7 |   6.14% |  42.86% |
| 22   | Doduo              |    6 |   5.26% |  66.67% |
| 23   | Snubbull           |    5 |   4.39% |  60.00% |
| 23   | Corphish           |    5 |   4.39% |  60.00% |
| 23   | Shellder           |    5 |   4.39% |  60.00% |
| 23   | Clamperl           |    5 |   4.39% |  20.00% |
| 27   | Dwebble            |    4 |   3.51% |  50.00% |
| 27   | Chinchou           |    4 |   3.51% |  25.00% |
| 27   | Grimer-Alola       |    4 |   3.51% |  25.00% |
| 30   | Omanyte            |    3 |   2.63% |  66.67% |
| 30   | Elekid             |    3 |   2.63% |  66.67% |
| 30   | Munchlax           |    3 |   2.63% |  33.33% |
| 30   | Zigzagoon          |    3 |   2.63% |  33.33% |
| 30   | Carvanha           |    3 |   2.63% |   0.00% |
| 35   | Meowth             |    2 |   1.75% | 100.00% |
| -    | Pumpkaboo-*        |    2 |   1.75% | 100.00% |
| 35   | Chespin            |    2 |   1.75% | 100.00% |
| 35   | Klink              |    2 |   1.75% |  50.00% |
| 35   | Tirtouga           |    2 |   1.75% |  50.00% |
| 35   | Pikipek            |    2 |   1.75% |   0.00% |
| 40   | Pumpkaboo-Small    |    1 |   0.88% | 100.00% |
| 40   | Pumpkaboo-Super    |    1 |   0.88% | 100.00% |
| 40   | Honedge            |    1 |   0.88% |   0.00% |
| 40   | Bidoof             |    1 |   0.88% |   0.00% |
| 40   | Frillish           |    1 |   0.88% |   0.00% |
| 40   | Croagunk           |    1 |   0.88% |   0.00% |
| 40   | Slowpoke           |    1 |   0.88% |   0.00% |
| 40   | Sandshrew-Alola    |    1 |   0.88% |   0.00% |
| 40   | Snover             |    1 |   0.88% |   0.00% |

Round 2

+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon            | Use  | Usage % |  Win %  |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1    | Vullaby            |   43 |  86.00% |  53.49% |
| 2    | Diglett            |   28 |  56.00% |  57.14% |
| 3    | Mienfoo            |   23 |  46.00% |  52.17% |
| 4    | Pawniard           |   19 |  38.00% |  68.42% |
| 5    | Onix               |   16 |  32.00% |  50.00% |
| 6    | Staryu             |   14 |  28.00% |  64.29% |
| 6    | Timburr            |   14 |  28.00% |  57.14% |
| 6    | Spritzee           |   14 |  28.00% |  42.86% |
| 9    | Ferroseed          |   13 |  26.00% |  46.15% |
| 10   | Foongus            |   12 |  24.00% |  58.33% |
| 10   | Mareanie           |   12 |  24.00% |  50.00% |
| 12   | Gastly             |   11 |  22.00% |  45.45% |
| 13   | Mudbray            |    9 |  18.00% |  66.67% |
| 14   | Snivy              |    7 |  14.00% |  42.86% |
| 15   | Vulpix-Alola       |    6 |  12.00% |  33.33% |
| 15   | Magnemite          |    6 |  12.00% |   0.00% |
| 17   | Rufflet            |    5 |  10.00% |  60.00% |
| 17   | Abra               |    5 |  10.00% |  40.00% |
| 17   | Scraggy            |    5 |  10.00% |  20.00% |
| 17   | Magby              |    5 |  10.00% |  20.00% |
| 17   | Doduo              |    5 |  10.00% |   0.00% |
| 22   | Ponyta             |    3 |   6.00% | 100.00% |
| 22   | Grimer-Alola       |    3 |   6.00% |  66.67% |
| 22   | Clamperl           |    3 |   6.00% |  33.33% |
| 22   | Snubbull           |    3 |   6.00% |   0.00% |
| 26   | Elekid             |    2 |   4.00% | 100.00% |
| 26   | Wynaut             |    2 |   4.00% | 100.00% |
| 28   | Shellder           |    1 |   2.00% | 100.00% |
| 28   | Torchic            |    1 |   2.00% | 100.00% |
| 28   | Frillish           |    1 |   2.00% | 100.00% |
| 28   | Shellos            |    1 |   2.00% |   0.00% |
| 28   | Chinchou           |    1 |   2.00% |   0.00% |
| 28   | Meowth             |    1 |   2.00% |   0.00% |
| 28   | Cottonee           |    1 |   2.00% |   0.00% |
| -    | Pumpkaboo-*        |    1 |   2.00% |   0.00% |
| 28   | Dwebble            |    1 |   2.00% |   0.00% |
| 28   | Pumpkaboo-Super    |    1 |   2.00% |   0.00% |
| 28   | Munchlax           |    1 |   2.00% |   0.00% |
| 28   | Taillow            |    1 |   2.00% |   0.00% |
| 28   | Kabuto             |    1 |   2.00% |   0.00% |

Round 3

+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon            | Use  | Usage % |  Win %  |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1    | Vullaby            |   29 |  96.67% |  48.28% |
| 2    | Diglett            |   16 |  53.33% |  50.00% |
| 3    | Timburr            |   14 |  46.67% |  78.57% |
| 4    | Mienfoo            |   13 |  43.33% |  46.15% |
| 5    | Staryu             |   12 |  40.00% |  41.67% |
| 6    | Ferroseed          |   11 |  36.67% |  54.55% |
| 7    | Onix               |   10 |  33.33% |  70.00% |
| 7    | Spritzee           |   10 |  33.33% |  50.00% |
| 7    | Pawniard           |   10 |  33.33% |  40.00% |
| 10   | Foongus            |    9 |  30.00% |  66.67% |
| 11   | Mareanie           |    7 |  23.33% |  42.86% |
| 12   | Gastly             |    5 |  16.67% |  60.00% |
| 13   | Ponyta             |    4 |  13.33% |  50.00% |
| 13   | Mudbray            |    4 |  13.33% |   0.00% |
| 15   | Vulpix-Alola       |    3 |  10.00% |  33.33% |
| 15   | Abra               |    3 |  10.00% |  33.33% |
| 17   | Grimer-Alola       |    2 |   6.67% | 100.00% |
| 17   | Magnemite          |    2 |   6.67% |  50.00% |
| 17   | Elekid             |    2 |   6.67% |  50.00% |
| 17   | Scraggy            |    2 |   6.67% |   0.00% |
| 17   | Magby              |    2 |   6.67% |   0.00% |
| 22   | Snivy              |    1 |   3.33% | 100.00% |
| 22   | Snubbull           |    1 |   3.33% | 100.00% |
| 22   | Chinchou           |    1 |   3.33% | 100.00% |
| 22   | Doduo              |    1 |   3.33% | 100.00% |
| 22   | Clamperl           |    1 |   3.33% |   0.00% |
| 22   | Torchic            |    1 |   3.33% |   0.00% |
| 22   | Dwebble            |    1 |   3.33% |   0.00% |
| 22   | Carvanha           |    1 |   3.33% |   0.00% |
| 22   | Chespin            |    1 |   3.33% |   0.00% |
| 22   | Rufflet            |    1 |   3.33% |   0.00% |

Round 4

+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon            | Use  | Usage % |  Win %  |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1    | Vullaby            |   16 |  88.89% |  56.25% |
| 2    | Diglett            |   12 |  66.67% |  58.33% |
| 3    | Timburr            |    9 |  50.00% |  55.56% |
| 4    | Onix               |    8 |  44.44% |  62.50% |
| 5    | Foongus            |    7 |  38.89% |  57.14% |
| 5    | Mienfoo            |    7 |  38.89% |  42.86% |
| 7    | Pawniard           |    6 |  33.33% |  50.00% |
| 7    | Abra               |    6 |  33.33% |  50.00% |
| 9    | Mareanie           |    5 |  27.78% |  60.00% |
| 10   | Gastly             |    4 |  22.22% |  50.00% |
| 11   | Spritzee           |    3 |  16.67% |  33.33% |
| 11   | Ferroseed          |    3 |  16.67% |  33.33% |
| 11   | Staryu             |    3 |  16.67% |  33.33% |
| 14   | Shellder           |    2 |  11.11% | 100.00% |
| 14   | Ponyta             |    2 |  11.11% |  50.00% |
| 14   | Mudbray            |    2 |  11.11% |  50.00% |
| 17   | Snivy              |    1 |   5.56% | 100.00% |
| 17   | Vulpix-Alola       |    1 |   5.56% | 100.00% |
| 17   | Zigzagoon          |    1 |   5.56% | 100.00% |
| 17   | Archen             |    1 |   5.56% |   0.00% |
| 17   | Scraggy            |    1 |   5.56% |   0.00% |
| 17   | Magby              |    1 |   5.56% |   0.00% |
| 17   | Clamperl           |    1 |   5.56% |   0.00% |
| 17   | Chespin            |    1 |   5.56% |   0.00% |
| 17   | Corphish           |    1 |   5.56% |   0.00% |
| 17   | Doduo              |    1 |   5.56% |   0.00% |
| 17   | Rufflet            |    1 |   5.56% |   0.00% |
| 17   | Omanyte            |    1 |   5.56% |   0.00% |
| 17   | Magnemite          |    1 |   5.56% |   0.00% |

Semifinals

+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon            | Use  | Usage % |  Win %  |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1    | Vullaby            |    9 |  90.00% |  44.44% |
| 2    | Diglett            |    7 |  70.00% |  42.86% |
| 3    | Onix               |    6 |  60.00% |  33.33% |
| 4    | Spritzee           |    4 |  40.00% |  75.00% |
| 4    | Staryu             |    4 |  40.00% |  50.00% |
| 4    | Mienfoo            |    4 |  40.00% |  50.00% |
| 4    | Timburr            |    4 |  40.00% |  50.00% |
| 8    | Pawniard           |    3 |  30.00% | 100.00% |
| 8    | Gastly             |    3 |  30.00% |  66.67% |
| 8    | Foongus            |    3 |  30.00% |  33.33% |
| 11   | Mareanie           |    2 |  20.00% |  50.00% |
| 12   | Shellder           |    1 |  10.00% | 100.00% |
| 12   | Carvanha           |    1 |  10.00% | 100.00% |
| 12   | Ferroseed          |    1 |  10.00% | 100.00% |
| 12   | Grimer-Alola       |    1 |  10.00% | 100.00% |
| 12   | Magnemite          |    1 |  10.00% | 100.00% |
| 12   | Snivy              |    1 |  10.00% |   0.00% |
| 12   | Ponyta             |    1 |  10.00% |   0.00% |
| 12   | Rufflet            |    1 |  10.00% |   0.00% |
| 12   | Snubbull           |    1 |  10.00% |   0.00% |
| 12   | Chespin            |    1 |  10.00% |   0.00% |
| 12   | Corphish           |    1 |  10.00% |   0.00% |

Finals

+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon            | Use  | Usage % |  Win %  |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1    | Vullaby            |    5 |  83.33% |  60.00% |
| 2    | Timburr            |    3 |  50.00% |  66.67% |
| 2    | Onix               |    3 |  50.00% |  66.67% |
| 2    | Foongus            |    3 |  50.00% |  66.67% |
| 2    | Spritzee           |    3 |  50.00% |  66.67% |
| 2    | Diglett            |    3 |  50.00% |  33.33% |
| 2    | Mienfoo            |    3 |  50.00% |  33.33% |
| 8    | Snivy              |    2 |  33.33% | 100.00% |
| 8    | Pawniard           |    2 |  33.33% |   0.00% |
| 10   | Corphish           |    1 |  16.67% | 100.00% |
| 10   | Ferroseed          |    1 |  16.67% | 100.00% |
| 10   | Gastly             |    1 |  16.67% | 100.00% |
| 10   | Mudbray            |    1 |  16.67% |   0.00% |
| 10   | Ponyta             |    1 |  16.67% |   0.00% |
| 10   | Staryu             |    1 |  16.67% |   0.00% |
| 10   | Grimer-Alola       |    1 |  16.67% |   0.00% |
| 10   | Torchic            |    1 |  16.67% |   0.00% |
| 10   | Shellder           |    1 |  16.67% |   0.00% |

Cumulative

+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon            | Use  | Usage % |  Win %  |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1    | Vullaby            |  205 |  89.91% |  51.22% |
| 2    | Diglett            |  120 |  52.63% |  51.67% |
| 3    | Mienfoo            |   96 |  42.11% |  48.96% |
| 4    | Pawniard           |   87 |  38.16% |  56.32% |
| 5    | Timburr            |   84 |  36.84% |  60.71% |
| 6    | Onix               |   78 |  34.21% |  53.85% |
| 7    | Foongus            |   69 |  30.26% |  52.17% |
| 8    | Spritzee           |   67 |  29.39% |  44.78% |
| 9    | Staryu             |   64 |  28.07% |  48.44% |
| 10   | Mareanie           |   56 |  24.56% |  55.36% |
| 11   | Ferroseed          |   51 |  22.37% |  49.02% |
| 12   | Abra               |   43 |  18.86% |  53.49% |
| 13   | Gastly             |   35 |  15.35% |  54.29% |
| 14   | Mudbray            |   32 |  14.04% |  46.88% |
| 15   | Ponyta             |   26 |  11.40% |  53.85% |
| 16   | Snivy              |   25 |  10.96% |  56.00% |
| 16   | Vulpix-Alola       |   25 |  10.96% |  40.00% |
| 18   | Magnemite          |   21 |   9.21% |  33.33% |
| 19   | Scraggy            |   19 |   8.33% |  31.58% |
| 20   | Magby              |   17 |   7.46% |  35.29% |
| 21   | Rufflet            |   15 |   6.58% |  40.00% |
| 22   | Doduo              |   13 |   5.70% |  38.46% |
| 23   | Grimer-Alola       |   11 |   4.82% |  54.55% |
| 24   | Shellder           |   10 |   4.39% |  70.00% |
| 24   | Snubbull           |   10 |   4.39% |  40.00% |
| 24   | Clamperl           |   10 |   4.39% |  20.00% |
| 27   | Corphish           |    8 |   3.51% |  50.00% |
| 28   | Elekid             |    7 |   3.07% |  71.43% |
| 29   | Dwebble            |    6 |   2.63% |  33.33% |
| 29   | Chinchou           |    6 |   2.63% |  33.33% |
| 31   | Chespin            |    5 |   2.19% |  40.00% |
| 31   | Carvanha           |    5 |   2.19% |  20.00% |
| 33   | Zigzagoon          |    4 |   1.75% |  50.00% |
| 33   | Omanyte            |    4 |   1.75% |  50.00% |
| 33   | Munchlax           |    4 |   1.75% |  25.00% |
| 36   | Meowth             |    3 |   1.32% |  66.67% |
| -    | Pumpkaboo-*        |    3 |   1.32% |  66.67% |
| 36   | Torchic            |    3 |   1.32% |  33.33% |
| 38   | Wynaut             |    2 |   0.88% | 100.00% |
| 38   | Klink              |    2 |   0.88% |  50.00% |
| 38   | Frillish           |    2 |   0.88% |  50.00% |
| 38   | Pumpkaboo-Super    |    2 |   0.88% |  50.00% |
| 38   | Tirtouga           |    2 |   0.88% |  50.00% |
| 38   | Pikipek            |    2 |   0.88% |   0.00% |
| 44   | Pumpkaboo-Small    |    1 |   0.44% | 100.00% |
| 44   | Archen             |    1 |   0.44% |   0.00% |
| 44   | Honedge            |    1 |   0.44% |   0.00% |
| 44   | Bidoof             |    1 |   0.44% |   0.00% |
| 44   | Croagunk           |    1 |   0.44% |   0.00% |
| 44   | Slowpoke           |    1 |   0.44% |   0.00% |
| 44   | Sandshrew-Alola    |    1 |   0.44% |   0.00% |
| 44   | Snover             |    1 |   0.44% |   0.00% |
| 44   | Shellos            |    1 |   0.44% |   0.00% |
| 44   | Cottonee           |    1 |   0.44% |   0.00% |
| 44   | Taillow            |    1 |   0.44% |   0.00% |
| 44   | Kabuto             |    1 |   0.44% |   0.00% |

 

[Flou]

send timburr to A+ its pretty good I guess

 

[LilyAC]

I think we should ban veils. It creates a terrible imbalance where you have one player just setting things up, and the opponent attempting to dance around setup sweepers, which is much more difficult, and if they make a single mistake they can just lose on the spot. It just makes for poor quality games

It's not traditionally "broken", and it has some difficult or even impossible matchups, but I don't think that matters. It's a negative presence regardless and there's no collateral if we ban it. It's a quick and easy improvement to the meta imo

thoughts?

 

[tazz]

Agreed, it’s not broken but it’s basically impossible for lots of defensive structures to deal with, and pressures the meta towards a more and more narrow band of archetypes. Even if you’re running the right kind of team, you can’t make a single mistake or you’ll lose. And even if you make no mistake, veils are often still only an air slash flinch away from winning still.

 

[Fille]

Agreed, it’s not broken but it’s basically impossible for lots of defensive structures to deal with, and pressures the meta towards a more and more narrow band of archetypes. Even if you’re running the right kind of team, you can’t make a single mistake or you’ll lose. And even if you make no mistake, veils are often still only an air slash flinch away from winning still.

Ye, as the one putting on offensive pressure, often the veils user can make multiple mistkaes, but win on a single mon getting the right turns out of 3-4 options. I highkey support a ban.

 

[Camden]

I've wanted veil gone since I was TL but could never get the support behind it. Please take this strategy out behind the shed. As the others have expressed, there are obviously checks to it. Sashbra, Timburr, Mienfoo w/ Tspikes support, and even Defog/Roar support in a pinch can help, but veil can still play around all of this. It does constrain teambuilding to some extent, but more importantly, like mentioned, creates situations where the veil team has much more flexibility with their play while you typically have to play perfectly against it or you get swept by a Magby/Scraggy/OTR Spritzee/smasher behind a wall. This doesn't even factor any natural RNG that can pop up during the game.