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[TRODE]

This is my team on Shoddy, and I have to say its probably the best team I ever made so far. I would like to improve it though. Suggestions and opinions are highly appreciated.


Team-

JOLTEON HAS JOINED THE BRAWL!

Jolteon-Leftovers
252 Speed/252 SpAtk/6 HP
Timid

Controls-
Up Smash-Baton Pass
Down Smash-Substitute
Over Smash- HP Ice
Final Smash-Thunderbolt

Leading SubPasser, pretty standard, he switches in on predicted Thunderbolts and works from there. Blissy is a real pain so a pass to Rhyperior,Gyra, or Scizor could be handy.


GYRADOS HAS JOINED THE BRAWL!

Gyrados-Leftovers
216 HP/16 Atk/176 Def/100 Speed
Adamant

Controls-
Up Smash-Dragon Dance
Down Smash-Taunt
Over Smash-Stone Edge
Final Smash-Waterfall

Standard Bulky sweeper, hopefully when I take out all my opponents Gyra counters he could do something cool. Possibly a sweep?


RHYPERIOR HAS JOINED THE BRAWL!

Rhyperior-Leftovers
252 HP/252 Def/6 Atk
Impish

Controls-
Up Smash-Swords Dance
Down Smash-Substitute
Over Smash-Avalanche
Final Smash-Earthquake

My version of a Sword Dancing Rhyperior, a fairly good Tank that takes crap damage on Stone Edge switch-ins. He can shrug of some super effective hits and pulverize lots of stuff back, unboosted EQ's and CC's for example. Rhyperior always manages to take one thing down and severely cripple others behind a Sub.


SCIZOR HAS JOINED THE BRAWL!

Scizor-Life Orb
252 HP/252 Atk/6 Def
Adamant

Controls-
Up Smash-Roost
Down Smash-Light Screen
Over Smash-Pursuit
Final Smash-U-Turn

The Uber Scizor, im thinking about making him a CB user though. He smacks Cresselia and Celebii hard witch would stop Gyrados in his tracks most of the time.


SALAMENCE HAS JOINED THE BRAWL!

Salamence-Life Orb
252 SpAtk/136 Speed/120 Atk
Mild

Controls-
Up Smash-Roost
Down Smash-Flamethrower
Over Smash-Brick Break
Final Smash-Draco Meteor

Standard Mixmence, a 4x Grass resistance and Intimidate seemed like a good choice for the team.


STARMIE HAS JOINED THE BRAWL!

Starmie-Leftovers
160 HP/132 SpAtk/216 Speed
Timid

Controls-
Up Smash-Rapid Spin
Down Smash-Recover
Over Smash-Grass Knot
Final Smash-Surf

I needed something that spinned and countered Swampert, so Starmie came to mind.


Help meh please.

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[Lawman]

Absolutely love this format!

Anyways, the team is solid, but can anyone take special hits? I suppose you do have LS on scizor, but besides that, you seem to really on resistances. Also, what is HP Fighting on mence hitting harder than a STAB Dragon Pulse or Draco Meteor, Tyranitar? He would Stone Edge mence anyways.

Not that anyone can counter Garchomp, but your team doesn't seem to be able to handle it. Jolt cant safely switch in, and Rhyperior would be killed by a Yache Berry chomp before you could kill with Avalanche. People wouldn't likely leave chomp in anyways.

But I digress, if you could elaborate more or post a threat list, I'd be willing to go more in depth.

Not bad overall.

 

[Psy37]

Ness enters the brawl. Ness wins!

I'm agreeing with Lawman-you don't seem to have a very solid defense. You have some bulky Pokemon, but stronger threats could spell doom.

 

[TRODE]

Meh im lazy,

Gyrados is my main switch in to Chomp, even though I dont have Ice Fang I can keep him from sweeping, and Jolteon outspeeds SD Chomps, Also I dont think yache chomp can even take a 120 base power Avalanche (provided he EQ's) Sometimes I can bluff with Starmie and scare it off thinking I carry Ice Beam. So ya thats all my plans against the land shark.

HP Fighting 2HKO's 252 HP/252 Def Blissy if she switches in on it. (If im wrong somebody correct me) its also a good scouting move since it does great damage to most Specsmence switch-ins (Heatran,Tyranitar,Empoleon,Blissy)

EDIT- Seems that most people seem to be shocked I dont carry a Gliscor/Blissy lol, my team is more on the offensive side and relys on resisted switch-ins.

Any suggestions on pokemon replacements people?

 

[Articanus]

He's got dual Intimidate and Light Screen. I believe his defenses are pretty good. He's got a couple of bulky (BAN ME PLEASE)s, which helps out overall.
I understand Subpassing is awesome and all, but how does it REALLY help? as far as I see, all it does is protect people from one hit. Also, Hidden Power on SpecsMence is a bad idea, since there's only one thing u would ever use it against(Empoleon) is very rare, and Hydro Pump is better looking in-game(stfu), along with more power in general. try a toxic Orb ursaring(sp?) over rhyperior: it's faster and more powerful. It also benefits more from subs and can easily abuse Intimidates and Light screen. I would possibly consider Jirachi over Scizor(standard wishpassing will do), except I would move all the evs to SP. defense and use light screen. Hidden Power Grass is probably better for a starting Jolteon, as it also hits swamperts that think they can Roar you.

 

[TRODE]

He's got dual Intimidate and Light Screen. I believe his defenses are pretty good. He's got a couple of bulky (BAN ME PLEASE)s, which helps out overall.
I understand Subpassing is awesome and all, but how does it REALLY help? as far as I see, all it does is protect people from one hit. Also, Hidden Power on SpecsMence is a bad idea, since there's only one thing u would ever use it against(Empoleon) is very rare, and Hydro Pump is better looking in-game(stfu), along with more power in general. try a toxic Orb ursaring(sp?) over rhyperior: it's faster and more powerful. It also benefits more from subs and can easily abuse Intimidates and Light screen. I would possibly consider Jirachi over Scizor(standard wishpassing will do), except I would move all the evs to SP. defense and use light screen. Hidden Power Grass is probably better for a starting Jolteon, as it also hits swamperts that think they can Roar you.

Ya I know hydro pump seems better, but who uses it in battle? Pretty much anything you'd hit with Hydro Pump takes big damage from Draco Meteor, plus HP Fighting allows you to get a bit of an advantage if you predict a Tran,Empoleon,Blissy switch in. Meh its a filler, I might not even use it.

The reason Rhyperior is there is mostly for a Blissy switch in, 101 Subs and a Scary apperence,Tanking roles, and having something to switch into Stone Edges. And Ursaring is just a semi-fragile sweeper that trys to kill as much as it can for about 3 seconds.

I might consider Jirachi, as of I get that suggestion everytime I make a team with Salamence, but then again I loose some power on the physical spectrum. Gyrados and Rhyperior would be my only physical offensive. So maybe I might need stronger U-Turns over Zen Headbutts. Plus i'd like to have a pursuiter for Celebii/Cress, so Gyrados can sweep kind of freely.

Thanks for all the comments guys. Any more suggestions would be great.

 

[Articanus]

Toxic Orb Ursaring has waaaaaaaay more durability than your giving it credit for! It can use Quick Feet to take Paralyze, SD up, and sweep like that. It can come in on Blissey just like Rhyperior, if not better. Ursaring takes Ice Beams and random Grass Knots better too.

 

[Stathakis]

speaking from experience, toxic orb ursaring with swords dance wrecks shit. if you've really got balls you can give him leftovers and try to come in on a para move. a paralysed qf ursaring with lefties is definately a force to be reckoned with. 343 speed and 359 attack with a 210 base power move that has no drawback. yup, ursaring fits the bill of hard-hitting. as far as durability, you may want to give him leftovers rather than toxic orb, just so that with the aid of prediction, you get a fearsome bulky sweeper.

 

[kingofgames]

I absolutely love your team. I may use 3 of your pokemon movesets/ EV's for a fight in the battle tower.

As for B-Passing a Substitute to Rhyphieor, I dont like it much.
I think mabye Machamp, or another High Defense/ Low Speed Pokemon should take his place

 

[TRODE]

I absolutely love your team. I may use 3 of your pokemon movesets/ EV's for a fight in the battle tower.

As for B-Passing a Substitute to Rhyphieor, I dont like it much.
I think mabye Machamp, or another High Defense/ Low Speed Pokemon should take his place

Thanks, anyways Iv'e been thinking about replacing Rhyperior with a bulky fighter for quite a while. (Hariyama-Machamp) since they scare away Blissy and counter T-Tar, also a Rock resist would be awesome for this team.

The reason why Jolteon is there is because it an sub pass to Sal/Gyara. Its a generic lead that I can use as sweeper later, so meh. Its a decent Starmie switch in as well.

Anymore suggestions guys?

 

[TRODE]

Sorry again for the bump, I just feel like I havn't got much help besides the Machamp suggestion. Any more suggestions?

 

[stormtrooper]

replace jolteon for a calm mind raikou or zapdos, jolteon is just too easy to wall.Make gyarados more offensive with life orb and ice fang to 2ohko celebi after a dragon dance.replace rhyperior with gliscor to take on heracross and other fighters easily. Since garchomp could easily destroy your team replace scizor with bronzong. Make sure to put stealth rock on gliscor or bronzong. I like rash better on mixmence also, because his defense is actually decent with intimidate and it wont live through ice beam most of the time anyway.Starmie needs thunderbolt>grass knot to beat gyarados all the time.

 

[TRODE]

replace jolteon for a calm mind raikou or zapdos, jolteon is just too easy to wall.Make gyarados more offensive with life orb and ice fang to 2ohko celebi after a dragon dance.replace rhyperior with gliscor to take on heracross and other fighters easily. Since garchomp could easily destroy your team replace scizor with bronzong. Make sure to put stealth rock on gliscor or bronzong. I like rash better on mixmence also, because his defense is actually decent with intimidate and it wont live through ice beam most of the time anyway.Starmie needs thunderbolt>grass knot to beat gyarados all the time.

I dont really see the need for Raikou and Zapdos since they dont really contribute much to the team but a Stealth Rock weakness, and all 3 arn't getting passed Blissy anyways. I think life orb contradicts the purpose of the "Bulky Gyra" set. Garchomp doesm't destroy the team. If it doesnt have a SD Rhyperior can kill it, he doesnt mind a Scarfed Outrage either, Gyrados walls most Garchomp, and Jolteon can outrun unscarfed versions. Gliscor doesn't contribute much to the team but lay down rocks and have another unwanted 4x weakness to ice. I might consider a Sword Dance Gliscor though. Grass Knot kills swampert...better.

I think thats all the suggestions im going to get I guess. If theres any weakness of some sort pokemon you see let me know. And if you guys have ANYthing else to suggest let me know also.

 

[Articanus]

watch out for ScarfChomp. It can outspeed and 2HKO everything on your team with Outrage, EQ, and Fire Blast: all very common on a scarfchomp set.

 

[Gators1]

Just gonna start by saying I freaking love your team and set-up.
Now for suggestions, Jolteon, love the poke - just a little too fragile I think, possible switch of pokemon? Magnezone perhaps?

Gyrados, Bulky I guess is fine, but from my experience the dragon dancing, focus sashed, lead Gyrados pwnzers so much.

Just a thought.

 

[Time Phantom]

This is my team on Shoddy, and I have to say its probably the best team I ever made so far. I would like to improve it though. Suggestions and opinions are highly appreciated.


Team-

JOLTEON HAS JOINED THE BRAWL!

Jolteon-Leftovers
252 Speed/252 SpAtk/6 HP
Timid

Controls-
Up Smash-Baton Pass
Down Smash-Substitute
Over Smash- HP Ice
Final Smash-Thunderbolt

Leading SubPasser, pretty standard, he switches in on predicted Thunderbolts and works from there. Blissy is a real pain so a pass to Rhyperior,Gyra, or Scizor could be handy.


GYRADOS HAS JOINED THE BRAWL!

Gyrados-Leftovers
216 HP/16 Atk/176 Def/100 Speed
Adamant

Controls-
Up Smash-Dragon Dance
Down Smash-Taunt
Over Smash-Stone Edge
Final Smash-Waterfall

Standard Bulky sweeper, hopefully when I take out all my opponents Gyra counters he could do something cool. Possibly a sweep?


RHYPERIOR HAS JOINED THE BRAWL!

Rhyperior-Leftovers
252 HP/252 Def/6 Atk
Impish

Controls-
Up Smash-Swords Dance/Fire Punch
Down Smash-Stone Edge
Over Smash-Avalanche
Final Smash-Earthquake

My version of a Sword Dancing Rhyperior, a fairly good Tank that takes crap damage on Stone Edge switch-ins. He can shrug of some super effective hits and pulverize lots of stuff back, unboosted EQ's and CC's for example. Rhyperior always manages to take one thing down and severely cripple others behind a Sub.


SCIZOR HAS JOINED THE BRAWL!

Scizor-Life Orb
252 HP/252 Atk/6 Def
Adamant

Controls-
Up Smash-Roost
Down Smash-Light Screen
Over Smash-Pursuit
Final Smash-U-Turn

The Uber Scizor, im thinking about making him a CB user though. He smacks Cresselia and Celebii hard witch would stop Gyrados in his tracks most of the time.


SALAMENCE HAS JOINED THE BRAWL!

Salamence-Life Orb
252 SpAtk/136 Speed/120 Atk
Mild

Controls-
Up Smash-Roost/Dragon Dance
Down Smash-Flamethrower
Over Smash-Brick Break
Final Smash-Draco Meteor

Standard Mixmence, a 4x Grass resistance and Intimidate seemed like a good choice for the team.


STARMIE HAS JOINED THE BRAWL!

Starmie-Leftovers
160 HP/132 SpAtk/216 Speed
Timid

Controls-
Up Smash-Rapid Spin
Down Smash-Recover
Over Smash-Grass Knot
Final Smash-Surf

I needed something that spinned and countered Swampert, so Starmie came to mind.


Help meh please.

Special Thanks,
Smogon
Photobucket
Gimp
Pokemonelite


And Revenge Killer Productions

Who might join the Brawl (Considering)-