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CAP 2 Smogon "Create a Pokemon" Part Deux: Discussion 8

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tgva8889 said:
But I like Nasty Plot. What kind of Mummy would it be if it hadn't been able to Nastily Plot all its Revenge? And no, that doesn't actually work well together, but you get the idea.
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I get the idea and okay, Nasty plot can stay xD


tgva8889 said:
Edit: Hammer Arm isn't strictly better than Sky Uppercut. Hammer Arm lowers speed. That speed reduction could be rather important in a fight, especially against Ghost pokemon.
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Shadow Sneak+Bulk Up say otherwise.
 
What should the main Fighting STAB move be??
-Close Combat
-Cross Chop
-Dynamic Punch
-Hammer Arm
-Super Power

Dynamic Punch is a horrible move that will never be used competitively. Therefore it is perfect for the ingame level-up! Hammer Arm can be used on a Trick Room Mummy, and has enough power to be effective. What concerns me, however, is the incredible lack of Physical STAB this guy has. I mean, he's got some of the best special attacks in the game, and only 65 base Sp. Attack to use them. Meanwhile his 105 Attack is going off Shadow Punch and Arm Thrust. LAME. Sky Uppercut is calling its name.

Which, if any, of the Elemental Punches does this get??
-Fire Punch
-Ice Punch
-ThunderPunch

All of them. There is no reason flavor-wise why it should not, and they in no way make it broken. Mummy doesn't have the attack power to pull off OHKOs on anything significant, and many of its eventual counters are even 2HKOs, I'm assuming. And again, we need to make up for the weak physical movepool.

Does this get Recovery outside of Rest??
-Yes, move is Moonlight (fits better with a vengeful mummy than Morning Sun)
-No

ShedRest is a wonderful idea, but the problem is that Mummy has no way to defend itself with its weak physical movepool (yeah, I'm kind of stuck on that guys) Being asleep for two turns practically invites stat-uppers, which Mummy can only defeat by stat-upping on its own, which makes for a very limited analysis page. Moonlight will provide much better coverage.

Does this get Will-o-Wisp??
-Yes
-No

No, for the simple reason that it makes no sense.
 
(You're forgetting Revenge, Cooper.) The lack of Fighting STAB in the level-up is made up for everywhere else IMO. As for Ghost STAB, the strongest Physical move is Shadow Claw (70 BP)--Shadow Force notwithstanding. Special STAB has Ominous Wind and Shadow Ball.

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Yeah, the lack of physical STAB is going to be a problem for a Ghost/Fighting type with no legs. Maybe we can fit Karate Chop in the pre-Ancient Power level-up somewhere?
 
What should the main Fighting STAB move be??
-Cross Chop
-Hammer Arm

Hammer Arm would be my first choice, especially with something with such low speed and access to priority moves.

Which, if any, of the Elemental Punches does this get??
-Ice Punch

Does this get Recovery outside of Rest??
- Yes, Moonlight

Does this get Will-o-Wisp??
-No
 
On the subject of moves, does it really need this many 'flavour' moves?

1. Wrap
1. Bind
1. Endure
1. Bide
2. Sand Attack
3. Sand Tomb
5. Rock Tomb

Of these, I'd eliminate Wrap, Bide, Sand Attack and Sand Tomb
 
What should the main Fighting STAB move be??
-Hammer Arm

Which, if any, of the Elemental Punches does this get??
-Fire Punch
-Ice Punch

Does this get Recovery outside of Rest??
-Yes, move is Moonlight (fits better with a vengeful mummy than Morning Sun)

Does this get Will-o-Wisp??
-Yes
 
I ask this question out of curiosity since i see alot of people complaining about it.

Why can't this pokemon be better than Dusknoir?
 
What should the main Fighting STAB move be??
-Hammer Arm

Which, if any, of the Elemental Punches does this get??
-Ice Punch

Does this get Recovery outside of Rest??
-Yes, move is Moonlight (fits better with a vengeful mummy than Morning Sun)

Does this get Will-o-Wisp??
-No
 
HAMMER ARM (and arm thrust should be on there)

NO ELEMENTAL PUNCHES

MOONLIGHT

NO WILL-O-WISP


yeah. that's what i said.
 
Maniaclyrasist said:
I ask this question out of curiosity since i see alot of people complaining about it.

Why can't this pokemon be better than Dusknoir?
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Already it is better,Hydra is trying to put it in a different role.Both are defensive poke and by giving it everything dusknoir has you eliminate Dusknoir.They are plenty of pokes like Swampert and Quagsire,Gyrados and Pelipepper ,Flygon and Garchomp,Inferape and Blaziken that one far out class the other.

The best example is flaming chicken and monkey don't you wish Nintendo had better job of design Blaziken so it could be used too? Both ghost are bulky defense ghost pokes what is wrong with keeping couple moves off so they clearly have different roles.

Also people are saying every ghost except Frolass gets wisp so precedent for a ghost type not having wisp has been set.
 
What should the main Fighting STAB move be??
-Close Combat
-Cross Chop
-Dynamic Punch
-Hammer Arm
-Super Power

LOOK at those hands! It looks like its only purpose in life is to crush shit with its arms.

Which, if any, of the Elemental Punches does this get??
-Fire Punch
-ThunderPunch
-Ice Punch

I don't get the point of having two of these, and not three.
Does this get Recovery outside of Rest??
-Yes, Moonlight
-No

Does this get Will-o-Wisp??
-Yes
-No

I just checked on Serebii. The only Ghost without Will-o-Wisp is Froslass, who probably wouldn't ever get W-o-W because it's Ice type.
 
Fighting STAB -
cross chop - it seems fit for a floating mummy, also Close combat is viable, but will be sort of broken on this guy if you factor in the typing.
close combat
superpower
hammer arm - I would also suggest it somehow learn hammer arm as well, but it won't be the MAIN fighting move, just an alternative.
dynamicpunch

Which, if any, of the elemmental punches, should it have?
Ice punch
thunderpunch
fire punch
Broken indeed, but ice punch on something as cold (in more ways than one) as a mummy makes sense, and is sceptile and noir learn tpunch, I don't see why syclant cannot.

Should it get a healing move outside of rest?

Absolutley, as so many ghosts get acces to pain split, I think he syclant should as well, and moonlight fits his theme as well. Recover, not really, as it would be far too broken, and I don't see all to many mummies regenerating in the movies. On a side note, rest/shed skin would be halarious.

Should it get willowisp?

Yes, if sheddy can, he can. Also, all ghosts aside from froslass get acces to it, and most tanks (If I assume correctly that syclant is one), need some sort of really good support/status, this fits it really well.

EDIT- I would suggest hyper voice off the movepool. Otherwise, looks good
 
I get the impression that Hyra cares less about the relevant competitive functions of this Pokemon but more so on it just matching its artwork completely. Also I keep hearing this talk about;
"It's a mummy, and it needs to do just what mummies do."
Well it has the magical Pokemon ghost type attached to it, which means it can and should be able to do unnatural things that are associated with that ghost type, that regular western folklore dead mummies wrapped in bandages wouldn't be able to do.


These are my opinions I will explain them all

What should the main Fighting STAB move be??

-Hammer Arm

This seems like a monster that should be able to survive a bit, cross chop has the accuracy issue and the pp issue. Not a good fighting move to rely on for its main fighting move despite it looking like it can cross chop well.


Which, if any, of the Elemental Punches does this get??
-Ice Punch
-ThunderPunch

The majority of ghosts can generate electricity. It's like ectoplasma energy, and in the field of the paranormal, ghosts are known for making batteries run dry by sucking electric energy from devices in the process of trying to manifest themselves. Ice punch is also needed because well, it's cold and dead.



Does this get Recovery outside of Rest??
Moon Light

This recovery method fits it best because of the darkness tendency that ghosts prefer and less PP than painsplit, so it won't be completely superior than Dusknoir with that.


Does this get Will-o-Wisp??
-Yes

I keep wondering. What is the logic in thinking this ghost should not get WoW? Will o Wisp is a traditional ghost type move, where they summon wisps from the underworld (supernatural blue fire not *sun* fire) to burn and smite their foes in the name of ghostly vengeance. Originally this was a very rare technique to see on fire Pokemon in ADV, and was more well known for ghost types. Even the most common fire types to use this in ADV when it was first introduced (Ninetails and Houndoom) have very high supernatural and ghost like tendencies for fire types. I still see it as being a very fit move for this *ghost* type Pokemon.


This Pokemon NEEDS to be able to have
-Mach Punch
-Shadow Sneak

So how does a fat looking Dusknoir manage to sneak super fast up to his opponents with the priority move such as shadow sneak? Well I'll tell you, it's simply because his speed is slow (like this dude) and he is a ghost. Due to him being a ghost he can manifest his body in many unnatural ways, this is what the ghost type is all about. Possibly going through walls, going under the ground, disappearing, etc. If you guys wanted this mummy to be primarily solid, and more related to the living world, it should have been a dark type, or something not ghost.

Despite this being a mummy, it is part ghost, so I could see it stretching its arm at surprising speeds in order to initiate the Shadow Sneak or Mach Punch attack.
 
Leviathin34 said:
Fighting STAB -
Yes, if sheddy can, he can. Also, all ghosts aside from froslass get acces to it, and most tanks (If I assume correctly that syclant is one), need some sort of really good support/status, this fits it really well.
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Everyone and his brother has already seen fit to inform us that every ghost short of Froslass gets WoW. I don't think it is necessary to bring it up anymore. I for one am getting sick of seeing the exact same arguments rehashed less and less elegantly in each successive post.

Also, Syclant is not a tank. Syclant is not this pokemon. Syclant is an Ice/Bug mixed sweeper that is very fragile.
 
What should the main Fighting STAB move be??
-Close Combat
-Cross Chop
-Dynamic Punch
-Hammer Arm
-Super Power
-Sky Uppercut (not overly powerful, not completely accurate, and he floats, so it could work)

Which, if any, of the Elemental Punches does this get??
-Fire Punch
-Ice Punch
-ThunderPunch

Does this get Recovery outside of Rest??
-Yes, move is Moonlight (fits better with a vengeful mummy than Morning Sun)
-No

Does this get Will-o-Wisp??
-Yes
-No
 
It would help differentiate him from other ghosts too, and Dusknoir especially. On the other hand, the only pokemon that can both negate Rapid Spin and lay down spikes of some kind is Froslass. Possibly Nintendo doesn't want anything bulky Anti-Spinning and Spiking.
 
Even if this gets Stealth Rock, I'd still not use it. This thing has better things to be doing, and other things can lay down Stealth Rock better.

Based on what we know about the thing. I'll only really know when it comes time to test.
 
I'm only going to comment on what is asked, so...

Hyra said:
What should the main Fighting STAB move be??

Hammer Arm. Served with a sidedish of Cross Chop.

Which, if any, of the Elemental Punches does this get??
Fire Punch makes sense, for something out in the heat. Thunder not as much. Ice...Not really. Altho one could argue for Cold Tomb = Ice Punch.

Does this get Recovery outside of Rest??
Moonlight seems cool.

Does this get Will-o-Wisp??
Nah.
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My question now is regarding the decision by some to include Will-o-Wisp, but not Fire Punch. The logic behind WoW is that underworld ghosts can generate fire to burn a foe, but they can't gather fire around their fist? Can you say contradiction?
 
Why is everyone saying Froslass didn't get WOW because of her typing. I thought it was because of where she evolve from and how she became a ghost.

Viashino_wizard said:
With his already poor physical coverage
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Ghost, Rock, Ground, Ice (if Ice punch wins out), Fighting, Dark, Poison physical moves....doesn't sound too poor to me.
 
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