Smogon's First Create-A-Team - Part 2

CLegacyM

Alright, so the poll is done for the first part and I'd just like to thank everyone that contributed in the first place once again for the help.

Now, as most of you know (and could have guessed with the way the poll started out and continued steadily) that Offensive was the "team type" chosen.

This particular topic lends itself to discussion more than anything because what we have to decide now is what way to progress with our team. I don't want to start picking pokemon yet because there are such a vast array of pokemon that could be chosen when you think of "offensive" and so many of them can do different things and don't exactly fit onto the same teams. So, what we're going to do here, is try to determine what type of offensive team we want it to be.

So, what I want you to do is (obviousy) tell me which type of offensive team you want it to be. Whether it be a fast, all out team that goes straight for the kill, a team that has one or two crazy sweepers that you build the rest of the team around, a team that is build to set up certain pokemon with buff passing, or a slow but powerful team that hits hard with every member. I'm sure there are plenty of other offensively oriented teams that people can think of (rain dance teams, for example); so, don't feel constrained by the examples that I listed. If you think of something, just post it.

With your idea for the "type" of offensive team that we should consider, could you put down some pokemon ideas that go with it? Not a whole team, obviously, but the kind of pokemon you are thinking of when the team-type comes into your head.

For example, I think a team that is made to revolve around Mix-Ape and taking out its counters works wonderfully as an offensive idea. (This is just an example). A hard hitting team might include something like choice banded Metagross. etc.

So, I will be going through each and every post to try and gather the most accurate "general idea" of how this is to progress. This will probably be left open a bit longer than the other poll.

PLEASE, IF YOU VOTED IN THE LAST POLL LEND YOUR THOUGHTS TO THE TOPIC!

Thanks again everyone.

Haha, accidentally posted this on the tournaments board. -_- Oops.
 
woot. first post.

i would like to see at least one CM, mainly because theyre fun to use. of course, then we will need a wall breaker for blissey, and perhaps a sub passer.
 
Umm... I'm thinking more along the lines of a bulky attacker team, with one or two frailer sweepers and a set up poke.
 
Remember to leave examples of pokemon you could use on the team. :P Because the next poll will probably involve voting for pokemon.
 
I posted this in the first topic to, because this wasn't here at the time. I'll re-post it since this is the discussion for it.

I find it particularly effective to pick 1 pokemon that has just a few counters that sets up rather easily (DD Outrage Dragonite, SD Lucario, Azelf, Infernape, Garchomp, Raikou, Deoxys-E, ect.) and building around it. It has always been effective for me, since you know what you need to beat, and once it's gone, you will almost always win the game (since your opponents counters to whatever pokemon you're setting up should be gone)
 
Rhykune said:
Umm... I'm thinking more along the lines of a bulky attacker team, with one or two frailer sweepers and a set up poke.
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Alright.

Bulky Attackers That I like: Metagross, Heatran, Magnezone, Garchomp, Gyarados, Scizor, Machamp, Togekiss and Tyranitar.

Good Frailer Attackers (non set up): Dugtrio, Electivire, Gengar, Lucario, Roserade, Weavile.

Good Set-up Sweepers:
Azelf, Calm Mind Kasam, Dragonite, Some Garchomp, Gyarados, MoPCross, Porygon-Z, Suicune.

Is this what you mean?
 
Swords Dance Lucario- Mixtar- Para support, with a spiker like skarmory to let Lucario OHKO Hippowdon and Donphan with a Life Orbed Swords Danced Close Combat. I am currently researching and testing one, but I suppose I can have some input. I am not trying to suggest certain pokemon, I am suggesting a team to base around certains strategies with the pokemon I mentioned.
 
I find it particularly effective to pick 1 pokemon that has just a few counters that sets up rather easily (DD Outrage Dragonite said:
Raikou,[/B] Deoxys-E, ect.) and building around it. It has always been effective for me, since you know what you need to beat, and once it's gone, you will almost always win the game (since your opponents counters to whatever pokemon you're setting up should be gone)
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totally true. i actually built a CM team that worked extremely well once blissey was gone. some CMers that i like a lot are Raikou, Cresselia, Jirachi,and Drifblim (can also pass these to someone else.)
 
I'd rather like to see something that can use substitute pretty effectively (i.e Garchomp, Breloom, etc.), or Snorlax. Curselax needs some love.
 
I'd like to see a team based around a Lucario sweep. He's a really cool pokemon now thanks to Brawl, and he can sweep in many ways. CM Lucario would be an interesting thing to see, but hey, Swords Dance works too.

Normally I'd say Raikou CM sweep, but I've beaten my Raikou team into the ground.

Meh no matter what the decision is I'd like to contribute to help the idea; I prefer offensive teams above all else, as I have no patience for stall, and I don't like using walls, even for Balance (cept perhaps Skarmory or Snorlax).

Edit: With that said a Curselax team would be epic. Seriously, bulkiest "sweeper" (and a rather unexpected one at that) would just be cool.
 
I think it would be really tough to build around Curselax though. It's the slowest "sweeper" in the game, and it's not uncommon for teams to carry 2 or more STAB fighting attacks, which wreck Snorlax.
 
I've found with Curselax it's all about playing smart. Like you said, if one or two stab fighting attacks are usually carried, why not just attempt to eliminate the largest fighting type threats with the rest of you team. Prediction also exists, having a good ghost to take the fighting move and outspeed/k.o is never a bad idea. List of widely used fighting types:

Breloom
Infernape
Heracross
Lucario
(the like)

Finding a common counter and applying it would help enormously with set up, so I would say its entirely possible to make a "Curselax Team". Regarding toughness, isn't the point of this excercise to demonstrate skill in team building?
 
The first step in building a team is really to put a phazer, a special walling pokemon, physical walling pokemon, not weak to the main threats. A status absorber, a stealth rocker and something tat can put things to sleep.

E.g Hippo, celebi, blissey, scarf-gar, DD-mence, Mamoswine

just an example.

But thats just me...
 
The problem is, the things that can beat Curselax are to widespread to build around. You get it in, get a couple of Curses, and then have you switch because your opponent is simply overwhelming you with fighting attacks. Plus the fact that it's outsped by everything doesn't help it "sweep" since you have to take a hit for every pokemon you KO.
 
I am thinking possibly a tankish offensive team. This means using pokemon that can take hits, but their primary job is to attack.
i.e. Rhyperior, Starmie, TTar, Jirachi/Celebi, Snorlax, Garchamp, Mamoswine.
 
Might as well do something.

Big Threats in D/P:
1.Gengar: Special Sweeps makes a great lead.
2.Dragonite: Oh Lord, this thing is an awesome sweeper, a good candidate to make a team around.
3.Salamence: Great threat, but doesn't really sweeps, just hits stuff hard.
4.Garchomp: Another Great Beast.
5.Infernape: Weak, but can sweep.
6.Heracross: Holy Hell, this thing is hard hitting.
7.Weavile: Weak defenses, but can really sweep.
8,Gyarados: Great typing, and can sweep easily.
9.Azelf: Great Sweeper Here. 10.Tyranitar: Doesnt really sweeps, but hits hard
11.Lucario: Most Dangerous Poke in D/P here.

The Big 11 here, as I say it. I'll do tanks in my next post...
 
Lucario is number one, my parasupport idea should be considered. Tyranitar is easily #2 or #3 for its incredible unpredictability, eye popping movepool, skill at breaking walls, sweeping with dragon dance, Rock Polish, or Agilipass, and its monstrous 134 base attack/ good base 95 special attack. Tyranitar is such a threat when paired with Lucario and Garchomp.
 
I was really fiddling around with the idea of DDTar, as it has tremendous offensive potential. It has such a huge movepool and great stats that it can really take advantage of.

So far the vide is of people preferring something of a bulky offensive team. Something with heavy hitters that can also take a hit.

Here's an Idea: What about Rhyperior? A swords dance version. I mean, without passing to it I really don't think it has been tapped into fully this gen and it's not common. So we could go with a hugely offensive bulkster that can really take a hit (as long as it isn't water or grass).
 
Slice: It wasn't it any order. Anyways tried a rhyperior team like that, and it's just too damn slow and bad without being passed too.....
Also I don't really like T-tar, but that's just me.

Tanks:
Zapdos: Excellent stats everywhere to tank and hit hard!
Bronzong: Good, stops a lot of threats, but no real recovery kinda hurts.
Celebi: One of the best tanks to have on an offensive team, hands down.
Jirachi: Another good tank, it's team support it just amazing
Shuckle: In sandstorm this thing is a beast.
Heatran: Pretty Bulky, and can dish out a hit.
Milotic: Pretty Bulky, and that's all....
Tangrowth: Great support moves, but no real recovery besides leech seed hurts.

2. Great Combos:
Celebi+Heatran: Cover eachothers weaknesses and hit hard.
Tangrowth+Milotic: Light showed this to me, and it counters Gyarados and Dragons easily.
 
Rhyperior has defenses, hp, and an ability out of the wazoo. His 6 incredibly common weaknesses make him a rather bad pokemon, however. He has no time to Swords Dance up. Just stick with Tyranitar, and back him up with things like Celebi and Zapdos that can cripple, and put a mandatory end game sweeper somewhere, such as Lucario, Scizor, Scarfchomp, mixape(risky with Sandstream), or even an end reversaler.
 
I'd like to see a Sandstorm-themed offense team, probably with a Gliscor > Lucario or Gliscor > Garchomp BP. Guess who got owned by the former the other day :(.
 
A sandstorm team is nice and all, but I would prefer a non-weather team, but because it allows us to be more diverse, and weather teams are everywhere.
 
On the Rhyperior thing, I think it's a merited idea, just with the wrong pokemon. Supported by sandstorm, Regirock can also handle quite a bit, and with no def EV investments at all, it still hits 436. Thats ~20 points greater than the average Skarm. With enough SpD to potentially hit 315 and Sandstorm boosting it to higher than its defense, Regirock has the potential to Curse sweep. Just something to consider. (Also if anyone thinks I'm going too BL with my ideas just tell me and I'll stick to OU).
 
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