It hasn't been confirmed yet, but based on a post SomeRandomKid made, it seems that it's a possibility. Check on the last page if you want to see the post. Also, I intend to test this at some point if no one else has.
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Some sort of Egg 'RNG' Abuse (Read the first post!)
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It hasn't been confirmed yet, but based on a post SomeRandomKid made, it seems that it's a possibility. Check on the last page if you want to see the post. Also, I intend to test this at some point if no one else has.
Does the RNG pause when there are no pokemon in the daycare that are capable of producing an egg?
For example, I test and see a pattern like MMMFFR with the R being 0 speed. I take out the pokemon from the daycare and go catch/trade some Honedge with perfect stats in the right places, then put them in the daycare, to get a spread of 31/31/31/31/31/0?
I'm thinking there's a chance this might not work, if the daycare "attempts" to generate an egg every ____ number of steps regardless of whether the pokemon in the daycare are able to breed or not.
For example, I test and see a pattern like MMMFFR with the R being 0 speed. I take out the pokemon from the daycare and go catch/trade some Honedge with perfect stats in the right places, then put them in the daycare, to get a spread of 31/31/31/31/31/0?
I'm thinking there's a chance this might not work, if the daycare "attempts" to generate an egg every ____ number of steps regardless of whether the pokemon in the daycare are able to breed or not.
TO FOLLOW up I tried to bypass this zero speed trait by removing an everstone and slapping on a power anklet. The result was, what seems to be a skip in the RNG.. It took a little longer for him to give me an egg and then everything was different. I got a 4 stat of ATT, DEF, SPDEF, Speed. Losing out on the HP.
Here are some questions:
For every pokemon that is not not genderless, male-only or female-only, I use a male and female Magikarp as test parents.
Example:
Male Ralts (test parent: Male Magikarp)
Female Ralts (test parent: Female Magikarp)
Male Ralts (test parent: Male Magikarp)
Ditto (test parent: Female Magikarp)
Ditto (test parent: Male Magikarp)
Female Ralts (test parent: Female Magikarp)
These combinations seem to work, except that you cannot predict the non-hidden ability for Ralts in this case (but for others, it would be 100% spot on).
Genderless pokemon (e.g. Beldum) can only be bred with a ditto. Apparently, you cannot use Magikarps as test parents in this case. True or False?
Male-only pokemon (e.g. Hitmonlee) can only be bred with a ditto as well. Again, Magikarps can't be used for this either. True or False?
Female-only pokemon (e.g. Chansey) can be bred with a male in the same egg group or with a Ditto. In both cases, Magikarps cannot be used either. True or False?
Are there test parents available that could be used in all of these special cases? If so, which one. And if not, what would be good test parents in each case?
I read here that you can use Miltank (female-only) and a male pokemon as test parents for Ditto and a genderless, in which Ditto replaces Miltank, and the male pokemon the Genderless.
Could Miltank and a male pokemon in the same egg-group, also serve as test parents for male- and/or female-only pokemon? Anyone tested this?
For every pokemon that is not not genderless, male-only or female-only, I use a male and female Magikarp as test parents.
Example:
Male Ralts (test parent: Male Magikarp)
Female Ralts (test parent: Female Magikarp)
Male Ralts (test parent: Male Magikarp)
Ditto (test parent: Female Magikarp)
Ditto (test parent: Male Magikarp)
Female Ralts (test parent: Female Magikarp)
These combinations seem to work, except that you cannot predict the non-hidden ability for Ralts in this case (but for others, it would be 100% spot on).
Genderless pokemon (e.g. Beldum) can only be bred with a ditto. Apparently, you cannot use Magikarps as test parents in this case. True or False?
Male-only pokemon (e.g. Hitmonlee) can only be bred with a ditto as well. Again, Magikarps can't be used for this either. True or False?
Female-only pokemon (e.g. Chansey) can be bred with a male in the same egg group or with a Ditto. In both cases, Magikarps cannot be used either. True or False?
Are there test parents available that could be used in all of these special cases? If so, which one. And if not, what would be good test parents in each case?
I read here that you can use Miltank (female-only) and a male pokemon as test parents for Ditto and a genderless, in which Ditto replaces Miltank, and the male pokemon the Genderless.
Could Miltank and a male pokemon in the same egg-group, also serve as test parents for male- and/or female-only pokemon? Anyone tested this?
So what do I do if I seemed to inherit all 6 stats from it's parents, am I to assume the random stat just so happens to resemble that of the parents? If so should I at least try and see what the random is with some test Pokemon?
That has happened to me several times, and I would just pretend it did, and hope for the best.
How'd it work out? good I hope? as for the Ditto question I think it would sub for the male or the female or at least that's what the Youtube Tutorial by JFlynn showed
I don't know if someone else brought this up, but I'll mention it here in case it is of interest. I've got a JPN ditto and 5 IV perfect female PROTEAN greninja passing down the correct ivs for a perfect 5 iv froakie. I've never gotten Protean as my ability after 10+ attempts. Is this to be expected when the female has protean as the ability? Used magikarps initially if that matters. I was gonna keep going for a shiny perfect, but yeah, without protean, the effort seems a tad excessive.
It's one of two possible reasons:
1. The ability is fixed, so if your baby Froakie has rolled Torrent instead of Protean (40% chance) then no matter how many times you reset, you'll keep getting a Torrent Froakie for that one RNG'd egg.
2. Because the Magikarps did not have a HA, the baby will not have a HA.
^^I believe gender is fixed as well (judging from my own testing).
If I'm surmising this right, that's why it's better to use a proper HA ability pair of parents (HA Father with Ditto, or HA mother with any father) to make sure your baby has the corresponding HA ability when seeing for which stats the RNG passes down. I originally just used a a Male Intimidate Gyarados with all 31s and a crap Ditto who's IVs I knew, but then I never knew if my children would have their HA ability or not when I swapped in a HA mother (often times they would have their crap ability :/ )
If I'm surmising this right, that's why it's better to use a proper HA ability pair of parents (HA Father with Ditto, or HA mother with any father) to make sure your baby has the corresponding HA ability when seeing for which stats the RNG passes down. I originally just used a a Male Intimidate Gyarados with all 31s and a crap Ditto who's IVs I knew, but then I never knew if my children would have their HA ability or not when I swapped in a HA mother (often times they would have their crap ability :/ )
Here's another case.
I used Magikarps as test parents.
Baby Magikarp: M/M/F/x/M/M.
F Ditto: x/x/31/31/x/x
M Riolu: 31/31/31/x/31/31 (Perfect)
Baby Riolu: 31/31/31/x/31/x (misses Perfect Speed)
So did the gender ratio of Riolu (1:7) have something to do with this, or is it because I used Ditto as the female partner? (normally, I always use Ditto as the male partner)
I tested another Ditto:
F Ditto: x/x/31/31/x/31 (has Perfect Speed)
M Riolu: 31/31/31/x/31/31 (Perfect)
Baby Riolu: 31/31/31/x/31/31 (Perfect)
This one did give me a perfect Riolu with 31/31/31/x/31/31. This means it got the Perfect Speed from Ditto (F), instead of Riolu (M). While according to the Baby Magikarp, Speed should have been from the Father (M/M/F/x/M/M).
Initially, I thought Magikarps worked fine for different gender ratio Pokemon.
So I tested this with another 1:7 Pokemon: Torchic
Baby Magikarp: M/M/x/M/M/F
F Torchic: 31/31/31/31/x/31
M Torchic: 31/31/31/31/31/x
Baby Torchic: 31/31/x/31/31/31 (as expected)
So no Ditto this time, and it worked flawlessly. So I'm questioning whether the previous problem was because of the gender ratio now.
I used Magikarps as test parents.
Baby Magikarp: M/M/F/x/M/M.
F Ditto: x/x/31/31/x/x
M Riolu: 31/31/31/x/31/31 (Perfect)
Baby Riolu: 31/31/31/x/31/x (misses Perfect Speed)
So did the gender ratio of Riolu (1:7) have something to do with this, or is it because I used Ditto as the female partner? (normally, I always use Ditto as the male partner)
I tested another Ditto:
F Ditto: x/x/31/31/x/31 (has Perfect Speed)
M Riolu: 31/31/31/x/31/31 (Perfect)
Baby Riolu: 31/31/31/x/31/31 (Perfect)
This one did give me a perfect Riolu with 31/31/31/x/31/31. This means it got the Perfect Speed from Ditto (F), instead of Riolu (M). While according to the Baby Magikarp, Speed should have been from the Father (M/M/F/x/M/M).
Initially, I thought Magikarps worked fine for different gender ratio Pokemon.
So I tested this with another 1:7 Pokemon: Torchic
Baby Magikarp: M/M/x/M/M/F
F Torchic: 31/31/31/31/x/31
M Torchic: 31/31/31/31/31/x
Baby Torchic: 31/31/x/31/31/31 (as expected)
So no Ditto this time, and it worked flawlessly. So I'm questioning whether the previous problem was because of the gender ratio now.
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I think instead of 31/31/31/0/0/0 and 0/0/0/31/31/31, 0/0/0/0/0/0 and 31/31/31/31/31/31 would actually work. It's much easier to get a flawless female Miltank, Snubbull, Scraggy, and Eevee by trading than one with a weird IV spread, and you only need to breed a single male 0/0/0/0/0/0 Pokemon in the Field Egg Group. You would also need to get one of each parent with their Hidden Ability, but even without a Hidden Ability a flawless test mother is really helpful for getting you another one with the HA since the IV inheritance is the same. And once you have a test mother for each gender ratio it shouldn't be hard to breed more of them for other people especially if you use the RNG method. For test fathers I would recommend a 1:1 gender ratio just because it's easier to breed, but the gender ratio of the father doesn't technically matter at all.
Of course, we still need to test if Miltank works as a test parent for Tauros or Snubbull works as a test parent for Machop. But I'm not doing that, I have enough on my table.
Actually I'd guess it generates the same seed each time, and the seed determines whether the egg will pass down a Hidden Ability, normal Ability, or Everstone'd Nature.
Of course, we still need to test if Miltank works as a test parent for Tauros or Snubbull works as a test parent for Machop. But I'm not doing that, I have enough on my table.
Actually I'd guess it generates the same seed each time, and the seed determines whether the egg will pass down a Hidden Ability, normal Ability, or Everstone'd Nature.
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This is amazing! Definitely going to incorporate this into breeding if I get some males and females with lucky IV splits.
One quick question. When you've freezed the IV categories for the parents and want to put the two Pokemon you want to breed in the Day Care, does it matter which parent gets the Destiny Knot? Thanks.
One quick question. When you've freezed the IV categories for the parents and want to put the two Pokemon you want to breed in the Day Care, does it matter which parent gets the Destiny Knot? Thanks.
Didn't seem to when I was testing. The order you put the Pokemon in the day care doesn't matter either even if you use Dittos, it just counts Ditto as the female
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The 5 IV's plus the Random IV are all locked. So if you got an inheritance of M/M/31/F/M/F then that Defense which is random and just happened to be 31, will stay 31 when you switch parents.
yeah and its a pain if that random is below 10 lol. and we really cant tell which one is random or not unless you tried checking it as this guy in kiloude is not that reliable lol. Even the online IV calculator if you give them stats at level 50 they will still ask you for level 53 lol the heck.
And that's exactly why I'm interested in 0/0/0/0/0/0 test father and flawless test mothers. Because if you had those, you would be able to tell which stat was random with only the judge. Unless it also rolled 31 or a 0 but you can't tell that even with an IV calculator.
I don't get why people would want to go through the trouble of creating such difficult test parents. What's wrong with 2 magikarps that have the same nature and different IV spread? Works for me almost all the time with the Battle Institute. You just look at the stats only, you don't even have to consider the IV's.
It would get a bit more complicated if you're looking at genderless and male-/female-only pokemon (seems like no one has completely figured this out, or is keeping silent about it). I still wanna know if there's a good test parent that works for all three. Still, you don't need a 0/0/0/0/0/0 or 31/31/31/31/31/31 test parent, seems ridiculous to me. Just figure out the exact IV of your parent pokemon if they are not of the same species (i.e. Ditto). You can use a calculator to predict which IV has been inherited from which parent, just by looking at the stats.
It would get a bit more complicated if you're looking at genderless and male-/female-only pokemon (seems like no one has completely figured this out, or is keeping silent about it). I still wanna know if there's a good test parent that works for all three. Still, you don't need a 0/0/0/0/0/0 or 31/31/31/31/31/31 test parent, seems ridiculous to me. Just figure out the exact IV of your parent pokemon if they are not of the same species (i.e. Ditto). You can use a calculator to predict which IV has been inherited from which parent, just by looking at the stats.
Well, you're right. They're not required. But if you breed a lot it will save you a lot of time in the long run.
And if we take the time to breed test parents from scratch now, we can use them to easily breed more and give away to other people so they have an easier time.
If single-gender ratios are perfectly compatible, a good single-gender test parent would be Miltank. It has an available Hidden Ability from hordes so you can use them to breed for Hidden Abilities.
In fact, scratch that whole thing about having to breed two of each test mother, one for the Hidden Ability and one without. You can just get an Ability Capsule if you get the wrong ability, so there's no reason not to go with a HA test mother.
So, out of the Field Egg Group, the best test mothers would be
Miltank (single gender)
Torchic (1:8 gender ratio)
Minccino (1:4 gender ratio)
Pachirisu (equal gender ratio)
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Ability Capsule only works for standard abilities. It does not allow you to switch from hidden ability to standard ability and vice versa. If you are certain you do not want the HA, then using a mother that does not have one reduces that chance to zero I think. It can be quite annoying if you keep having the HA, when you don't want it.
I did bro actually. I have perfect 6IV male for squirtle and 0 squirlte female. And yet, you cant really tell where is the random exactly even with calculators. and those test parents are even level 50+.
You can, if you have a male and female Squirtle that have the same nature and a different IV spread. Based on the stats of the baby squirtle, you can determine which stat came from which parent, except when the random stat is identical to one of the parents' stat by chance.
edit: Nevermind, you probably mean using the judge only. And kinda stupid of me, but my method is basically just as accurate as yours. And I assume you mean, you cannot figure out which stat is random, if the random stat corresponds to one of the stats of your parents, correct?
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yes. do we have a very accurate tool for it? i used metalkid's and wont help me.
When he means 0/0/0/0/0/0 parent, he means a mon with all 0 IVs, not one with no perfect IVs. That way you can use the IV dude to check which stat came from which parent.
the female one is i dunno but the judge will say, stats are something but no specific ones. so maybe below 10 right?