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ADV SPL Discussion and Hype thread!

Commencement Thread
Admin Thread
SPL XVI Hype Thread
Auction Results
Schedule

Predictions Contest

Starters (per PR Lineups):
McMeghan
Pak
Fruhdazi (shitrock enjoyer)
ArcticBreeze
Triangles
mako
baddummy
Skarpherim
sadlysius
violet river


SPL Commencement Video

Discuss away. Info will be updated here periodically.
 
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Really hyped for this year. Congrats to everyone who got drafted. I'm happy to see so many friends and acquaintances who are new to the scene get their time in the sun. I'm especially excited to see the floor being given to mainers who have put in the work to distinfuish themselves, probably mostly because I know them from the community, but also because I think this could be the ground for a proper, focused theoretical debate from players who have their fingers on the pulse, if all goes well. Alternatively, it could be the case that no wild, new ideas enter the pool. I have Pheo's phenomenal run from a few years back and BIHI's emergence as a serious threat in mind, but it just hits different to see Mushi League goons and people with a focus breaking through. I have a few unserious thoughts that I wanted to share, discuss, or otherwise just say 'aloud.' Of course, veterans will know everything I say is unserious and worth dismissing at face value, along with my opinion that Sableye and Missy are degeneracy incarnate. Speaking of degenerates, thanks to Gold for making this post and organizing everything this year. Amazing guy when you know his as well as I do, but not more

Congrats to ABR on winning 2024 in style. I won't criticize you too much for running from playing ADV LIKE A COWARD after winning everything and building so many beautiful teams. I don't know how easily people will incorporate this new, more ideosyncratic, and refreshing brand of ADV he's been playing (building) over the last year into their regular rotation of teams, because it appears to be a bit more nuanced than 'dominate everything with overwhelming defense,' but it's given me (and maybe the rest of us?) some new thoughts to tinker with, so I don't think we will miss his impact on the tier, if only because he's managing another exciting player who shares some of his views in Arctic, presumably here to ADV. In any event, he's undeniably ADV's frontrunner, and SPL is better (to watch) when he's playing in it.

There are a lot of newer players this year, and I regard all of them in high esteem. I don't really want to make a proper power ranking, because I don't really know how to compare these guys, but also because I know and like a lot of them and don't want to have to say anything negative just to explain the difference between someone who might be expected to go 6-3 vs 5-4, when a lot of this comes down to luck and reading (guessing) match-ups. There are a lot of names here, but I prefer to keep things to people with whom I have actual contact.

On Arctic, I have to say I have missed him this past year myself. He was probably peaking last time we saw him, playing some of his most impressive and winning ADV and found himself poised to leave a mark on '24, when he lost a set to the big man himself early in Jimtour and crashed out due to losing motivation, announcing he would likely retire until SPL -- a man of his word -- but his play was quite brilliant, even in the loss, and his teams and accurate play have posed some uncomfortable questions to his opponents. Nobody is perfect, and I fully expect him to improve over his performance last year, but I hope he has more fun than he did last time he played. I think we're in for a fun ride here, if he can stay on form. He's the most creative builder in the pool, in my opinion, but I think his SPL last year was a bit more focused and 'correct' than some of his more experimental ideas -- I'm thinking of some of his jank HO/stall Dugtrio balances with Rest Dols, Slowbro, or Medi+Hera -- but I'm definitely hyped for him as much as anyone.

In terms of creativity, I think River deserves the nod as the next up. She gives me Arctic vibes. Newer, talented, opinionated... If you're in ADV, I think you should know who she is by now, and you should also know 3k is a steal. I don't think anyone is going 9-0 in ADV, but she could easily take first with her iron mentality, sharp preparation, low-error play, and dedication to improving, just so long as she doesn't get bored of RNG and match-up RPS and request to play in a different tier. Obviously, I'm speculating about her starting, as she was a 3k pick-up -- clearly no one recognized her enormous talent -- but not starting her would be a mistake. She's probably the most versatile in the pool, and deserves the spot. Definitely one I'm excited to watch.

Fruh is also playing, which he said he wouldn't, but I guess there was a Brazilian quota that needed to be met? He said he wouldn't play, but then he changed his mind, maybe due to FOMO. One of my best friends here, and a brilliant theoritician in his own right, I hope he has fun and shows out, because this is a long-ass tournament that can wear you out. Also one of my favorites. Of course, BKC and Soulwind are on the team and will likely offer support, but I don't know if the burden of being accountable to well-regarded team-mates weighs more strongly than his desire to express his style in game. I just want to say, do your own thing and you'll do great, buddy.

Apropos of a Brazilian quota, Mielke and Mayo have been picked. I think they might be from Fruhdazi's dojo, but I haven't asked. I'm curious how they will do. Mayo's run this year was no fluke, winning almost every game in ADV in Smogon team tours that we saw him in and then some, and I think he could show out and claim the spot for the next few years, but he's used a lot of the (style of) zoomer teams I labbed with a little bit, so I'm skeptical. I would love to help him, but I would also love to help half of the participants this year.

Mielke has Pak on his team. I didn't expect Pak to make finals of the last Jimtour, just because I haven't really paid such close attention to him in previous tours, and he's been around for a minute, but I'm happy to be proven wrong. It's the only way to find new ideas, and I will be digging through his replays for inspiration. I was excited to see Mielke on this list, but he might be second in line after Pak's respectable performance and name recognition after years of play. I think is a solid theoretician who is somewhat modest for his own good. He hasn't had the same results as the names above him, but I think his marathon could carry him further than most of their sprints, since he's got solid fundamentals. If he's allowed to play, I see him picking up a few wins, and if he breaks through, I can even see him claiming several tours in 2025 against a surpassingly competitive field.

Those were most of the players I was personally excited to see. Fresh blood, after the mass boomer extinction event that claimed Asta, UD, Undisputed, and surprisingly not Triangles??? in the last few years, and the entire community coming together to agree that the Italian community has a publicity issue. Mikmer was a favorite builder of mine in his last tours, and pkLeech was my riding partner, but I guess things weren't meant to be. It's hard to separate the art from the artist, and even harder when you don't respect the artist -- and we're Pokemon players. We've all seen the Smogtours chat. We all know how to be cocky and dumb in our moments, so let's not pretend -- but I still don't know how to feel about some of this. Would be lovely to have new Ojama teams and games, but just without the Ojama problems. On the other hand, this year, we have a lot of nice guys who are easy to root for.

Baddummy is one of the more pleasant presences in the community, and obviously had one of the most legendary Callous tour runs, and Mako has been playing a unique, but brilliant style that deserves props. I also see and respect Sadly, and have suspected their influence in several teams that have been popular in the last years. And Triangles is Triangles. I don't really know the dude, but he's hilarious and a legend, and he's got a jank streak that can win match-ups with the right tech -- a Salac Berry DD Tar to reverse sweep and clutch the game -- or lose to Zapdos critting Tbolt against no Zap check. Does that make him a nice guy?

Last thing I'll say on the teams is, I'm not sure who the Raiders intend to play in ADV (Edit: I have been informed that it is Skarpherim, who has been making the case for himself being the ladder GOAT recently and just won a tour. I did see this, but I didn't discuss with anyone because I love under a rock, and promptly forgot. He's a talented builder with slightly off-beat ideas, and I hope he's here to stay). Monai has his reps, but fancies himself a BWer, and this is also his first time, if I'm not mistaken, and there were other more active ADVers in 2024. Not familiar with his game, I'm not sure what the plan is here, which could be on me for missing some other big-name player deciding to pivot to Advance, but this is the one team that leaves me wondering what the direction is in an otherwise saturated field of players. Maybe the decision was to focus on other tiers and treat this as a fodder slot, since it's unclear? I didn't see the draft, and I don't care to check their purse, but if half of these guys went for ≤5k, I have to wonder to what extent any of the managers were aware of the talent.

Obviously, some names are missing. Clat and SEA immediately come to mind as nailed on starters, and I'm going to look like an idiot when the (projected) lineups come out and it's revealed that I've misread half of the names, missed the other half entirely, and the other half is found to be Fruhdazi schizo-alting through Chinese servers while off his meds, but please don't ping me about it Zacpz. I really don't appreciate it. You're not even my real dad.

Here's to everyone's favorite tier.
 
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Tier 1
McMeghan - The best here for sure, said hes be busy but I dont think thatll matter at all. also just in case hes too busy to play BIHI can sub in lol? They even have kii on the bench who is always a wildcard and can beat anyone if hes in the zone.

ArcticBreeze - arctic + abr core returns, i think they have similar building ethics so we can be ready to see some obnoxious donphans and dusclops. arctic did good last time he played and even though its been a year between i think he will still cook and win. abr boost also gotta count for some thing here after his insane 2024.

Fruhdazi - dear tyrants do not make him load stuff he shouldnt load, if he loads his usual stuff he will win a lot. good to see fruhdazi getting the start from the get go this year. hes definitely grown a lot since subbing for altina 2 years ago and is one of the most progressive adv builders as of now. everything is in place for him to go for a run.

Tier 2
mako - mako is rly tier 1 quality but will they get support from sadly? power of love is strong but how strong really? mako has the ability to own everyone tho hence the tier 2 placement. if somehow it goes wrong jabba is there to save the day, having finally been drafted in what feels like forever. definitely a very strong adv core for the wolfpack.

baddummy - rick has been a bit absent this year but he turned around his record very well last season and maybe he has figured it out how to win in spl now. he also has the help of former spl adv players, zom0g and mdragon which certainly doesnt hurt. its looking up for him but just how much?

Tier 3
sadlysius - sadly has put up very strong invitational runs back to back but yet to perform in spl as you would expect. is this the year? support will certainly not be the problem as this team has got an arsenal of manager SEA and one of the biggest adv prospects in mayo. if things go south even robjr can move from sm to adv. a lot of options but is the star quality lacking? only time will tell.

Pak - pak has been ready to perform in spl for some time i feel like but this is finally the time he is starting in adv in spl instead of uu. with being the runner up to abr in the most recent revival tournament there is a good amount of hype surrounding him. I think he can do well but i still feel like he is just a touch below the other 2 tiers. he has support from another break out star in mielke who has quickly risen among the ranks is very well respected for his building. this is just what pak needs, is this the golden duo that other managers have missed out on?

Triangles - Triangles has not performed bad this year with a respectable run in the most recent revival tour to top 8. his runs in spl recently havent been his peak performances though so that has left a sour taste. there is also seemingly no sub to sub in if things go south but there is support from manager eden. but is it enough, the cryos have gambled on triangles to turn his previous records around but how will the dice roll?

Tier 4
Skarpherim - perhaps too underrated in this ranking because skarpherim has definitely shown hes good at adv. starting the year off with a seasonal runner up and showing up in several officials, wcop, olt, scl, skarph has certainly shown hes got it to be performing at the top. he also topped the ladder with the entire top 5 leaderboard being just his accounts. to top it off he won he ribbon but nobody in this spl pool even participated in that so the level was certainly lower. he has shown the ability to farm but not at the highest level so my expectations are tempered with his building also being a questionmark, does he build himself? is it up to par with the rest of the pool? there is nobody to help him on the drafted roster so this mightve been too risky from the raiders.

violet river - someone has to be last unfortunately and river seems to be outmatched by the rest of the pool. just like mayo and mielke, river has shown the adv scene their name very quickly within a year and made that name stick. but maybe this was a year too soon for her to start in spl? Either way she performed very strong in invitational, making the run from play-ins all the way to top 8 was certainly impressive. now there is also enough support that can help river with assistance from star, conflict and zokuru. perhaps conflict or zokuru will fill this slot later in the season if it goes badly, especially the former has shown the ability to do that last year, so maybe its not all bad?
 
W1 Predictions:

ADV OU: Mako vs Triangles: Mako is a really decent player (more than capable of playing RBY or SV) that's been ADVing for (at least) the last 2 years now. With a strong 2024 SPL (6-3) and Sadlysius + Jabba's support, I'm pretty sure she'll have another convincing SPL. I do think, though, she tends to show some kind of favoritism towards Blisseyless Gengar Spikes structures which could make her exploitable. It's true that the british dinosaur was expensive but I'm rooting for him this SPL: he has a very particular building style in a pool where 7 out of the 10 starters don't have more than 1 (or 2) season(s) ADVing in SPL and lack the experience in big bo1 ADV tournaments, which is what makes me think the FM enjoyer will do great. His 2024 SPL wasn't outstanding and he had some off games, but he had a nice 6-3 record in '23 and he looked decent and back in shape when he played ADV Revival.

ADV OU: violet river vs Shitrock enjoyer: I'm late but I had Fruhdazi winning this one. River brought some interesting pokémon with peculiar sets such as EQless metagross and salac pursuit Tyranitar that ended up working just right. RNG ended up being a decisive factor in this match, however it's quite unexpected seeing a newcomer taking such big risks in their team choices for their very first SPL game ever, hoping to see more of this. I'm sure Fruhdazi will get his first win of the season very soon.

ADV OU: Skarpherim vs Sadlysius: 2 players that favor different playstyles. Sadly had a spectatular JI run and they are no stranger to SPL while Skarph needs no introduction. I predict Skarph and his mighty Suicune to win because of how well he's been playing in the last year and he basically never makes big mistakes, he certainly knows his teams really well; but if there's a player than can outprep anyone in this pool and get the right MU every game, that would be Sadlysius.

ADV OU: Pak vs ArcticBreeze: Pak is a decent player with a very very nice ADV Revival run but I still want to see more of him and I'm unaware if he can pilot offense or stall as sharply as he does with his balances. I hope he has a great SPL. Arctic, on the other hand, had a 6-3 record in 2023 SPL in a tougher pool and has ABR support. While it's true he ran some 'safe' teams that year (+ that undisputed inspired team w1), we are fully aware of how unpredictable his teams can get; he's a very solid player overall.

ADV OU: McMeghan vs baddummy: Hard not to bold old man McMeghan. I don't know what made him change his mind (he wasn't gonna ADV but he edited his sign up) and I'm sure he isn't enjoying ADV as much as he used to but it's Roro after all. Baddummy's last spl was solid and he brought the exact same teams everybody expected him to use; yes, M Dragon could bring Rick to the next level by helping the CI7 winner diversify his team choices but make no mistake, he's a good player.

ADV OU: Mako vs Triangles
ADV OU: violet river vs Shitrock enjoyer
ADV OU: Skarpherim vs Sadlysius
ADV OU: Pak vs ArcticBreeze
ADV OU: McMeghan vs baddummy
 
Instead of making predictions this year and failing to do them every week, I will make weekly analyses, just commenting on whatever I see I think is worth pointing out about teams or plays.

Week 1
Triangles vs Mako
:tyranitar: :gengar: :skarmory: :jolteon: :starmie: :metagross: vs :salamence: :skarmory: :blissey: :magneton: :suicune: :claydol:

For those not very familiar with adv, these are 2 very well-known teams. on Triangles' side, we see the famous JoltSpikes by Kerts, a very offensive all-in on spikes offense that aims to overwhelm the opponent's special walls by keeping up the pressure via spikes.
On the other side, we see the infamous MagDol, the viability of this team structure has historically been questioned, whether it is a matchup fish or not. MagDol aims to win the game by completely removing spikes from the game by trapping the most common spikers; Skarmory and Forretress and then aiming to remove those spikes with Claydol. With the condition of no spikes on the field, Suicune just becomes a very big nuisance which is the main wincondition here.
With this basic information in mind, it is clear to say that the matchup is very favorable for Mako. JoltSpikes hates it when its spikes component is taken away from the game and has a very uphill game while MagDol can drag out the game, make life hard with CB Mence guessing games, and just slowly but surely win with its spikes and outlasting the opponent.

After a very classic opening to this game, we see on Turn 6 Tyranitar do a whopping 36% with Focus Punch to Suicune, suggesting that this Suicune is not max defense bold but probably close to it which is standard but you can already see the big impact of the spike, and this a sign that Mako needs to clear it quickly to simply not just get overwhelmed Tyranitar alone. Following up on Turn 8 there is a crit on the Jolteon which is pretty impactful as it greatly limits Jolteons entry to the game which is integral to the playstyle Triangles has chosen for. Thankfully Triangles can keep up the tempo and get Tyranitar in again to force issues. Here a big issue arises, Claydol is used to check Tyranitar before Skarmory is eliminated. Because Magneton on this team is not Magnet it did not OHKO Skarmory with Tbolt which means that removing the spike with Claydol now is only temporary instead of permanent, which is the entire goal of MagDol. Realizing that Claydol cannot sacrifice itself here but it has still taken hefty damage in the process as the EQ damage was very weak. I think this was one of the key interactions of this game, which granted Triangles the win. Now Triangles even gets up a second spike which is a fair choice to make, one could make the argument to try to just keep Skarm alive but this is a very fair idea to continue the game. Now, this game is not over at all, even if my tone earlier could have indicated that. CB Mence is an absolute machine here, threatening OHKOs on nearly all of Triangles' team, so with the right predictions this could easily swing towards Mako's favor. But, this Mence is on a timer, sand will keep on chipping away at it. So every wrong prediction comes at a cost. Ultimately on Turn 31 Mako can remove the spikes but it seems to come at a big cost at this point, the game is still winnable with the right clicks from CB Mence but the resources are running out and at this point, the spikes are no longer integral to Triangles' gameplan, Tyranitar itself is enough. The turn 33-35 is a beautiful sequence to keep the advantage very strong and I think at this point it's very hard to lose this game anymore as Triangles, I'd say even unlosable (as far as that goes in Pokemon). And indeed Triangles is clinical and ends the game swiftly from here on out.

Fruhdazi vs River
:tyranitar: :starmie: :skarmory: :blissey: :metagross: :zapdos: vs :vaporeon: :jolteon: :salamence: :starmie: :tyranitar: :metagross:
Teamwise Fruhdazi (also known as shitrock enjoyer) brings a quite classic approach. The OffMie pick here resembles similar vibes from the known Beerlover team by UD, replacing Swampert with Metagross and Gengar with Zapdos. I personally do like this team brought by Fruhdazi, it is very simple and effective but has to be wary vs opposing spikes as this Starmie does not have recover nor is there wish support from Blissey.
Rivers team is a bit more out there, not resembling much of a known structure, it is great to see someone roll up in their SPL debut with their own unique builds. This team clearly has some matchup division elements rather than being reliant on a spike or a trap-based approach. One of the core components of this team is the DD Salamence set, this set has recently been popularized by Vapicuno, consisting of DD HP Fly Brick Break Refresh. A very unconventional set aiming to do multiple things, mainly: luring in Blissey and taking advantage of mons that use toxic to counteract DD Mence i.e. defensive Jirachi, MonoPert, Milotic, and shrug off Wisp from Moltres. This set does fall short vs Aerodactyl, Jirachi, Metagross, and Zapdos. But this team has its ways around it, Zapdos often has to take damage from the offensive waters on this team or is lured in by AgiliSlide Metagross. Aerodactyl can be chipped through Pursuit Tyranitar often, especially since it commonly locks into the spammable Double Edge. Jirachi and Metagross are a bit of a different story though, I suppose the immediate Fire Blast click when Tyranitar came in has something to do with it since Metagross is often the first response to Tyranitar when it comes in. So I suppose that was the game plan vs Metagross? Jirachi is way less frequent to be the first response to Tyranitar though since it lets DD set up so getting damage on that is a bit more tricky I feel. You could say that defensive is a non-issue given the Refresh Salamence but what about offensive sets then? This Metagross surprisingly is running no EQ and has Explosion as last move to lure in Waters like Swampert for DD Mence. So it would need to blow itself up to significantly damage Jirachi, Tyranitar on the other hand is special so it wouldn't do as much to a SuperRachi for example as physical variants of Tar. A very creative way to get more damage on Jirachi though is running Salac on Tar here. This is a set that I like myself a lot too as on offensive teams like this Salac on special-oriented Tyranitars just gets way more value on a game-to-game basis than any other item. For me, the question remains though, what if the Jirachi user just does not try to brute force its way through Tyranitar, what if the player is more patient? Perhaps River assumed her high-tempo team would be able to make use of the tempo-loss from the opponent by forcing them to play more conservative. All in all, I like her team, it's unique, surprising, and still effective. Her main special threats could easily win vs a lot of teams, even Blissey teams if the Salamence does what it's supposed to do.

Early game River gets significant chip on Skarmory with DD Salamence which is an important sequence as it limits the Skarmory from not being able to spike up as easily. Getting in Tar on Bliss and bluffing a physical set was a great way to get on the front again and its aided by a very lucky burn. Due to the burn, it is very unlikely that Metagross will get any value for the rest of the game so it was sacked to easily get Starmie in. Starmie is a big threat but the eeveelution duo having water and volt absorb makes Starmie second-guess what moves it wants to go for in this matchup. Metagross gets a very key crit with Meteor Mash limiting Skarm to just 1 spike for this game indefinitely, which heavily favors River in this position. Tyranitar gets also a crit crunch on Zapdos which is huge, zapdos' health was very important for the remainder of the game here but now that has also been taken out of the question. Starmie gets in to remove the spike permanently from the game which is huge for her team, especially Jolteon no longer has to worry about its health when it wants to come in. River just immediately tries to force the issue in a very aggressive manner by going Salamence on Blissey. This could've easily gone wrong with a full para here so I'm not really sure if I like this approach at all. on Turn 27 Fruhdazi makes a very small but impactful mistake which at first glance might not seem relevant at all. Clicking Seismic Toss here instead of Ice Beam would've done more damage to Metagross which will come into play in this endgame later on. Fruhdazi proceeds to make some great calls in the following sequence and goes for a Twave on Meta. Due to the earlier luck that was against him, he is forced into this line where he needs a full para. And it all seems to come down to this 50/50 on Turn 39. If River clicks TBolt on Softboiled she loses. If Fruhdazi catches the baton pass switch to Metagross with Seismic Toss he wins. River goes for the Thunderbolt and Fruhdazi does not click Softboiled. Now there is still a shot actually if Fruhdazi gets a full para or River misses Meteor Mash. Decent odds given the luck earlier in the game I'd say but nope. River lands Meteor Mash and wins the game. It should also be noted that there could've been a possibility for a tie here if it came to a situation where Rivers's best move was to click Explosion on Blissey, which would've been pretty hype honestly.

Skarpherim vs sadlysius
:metagross: :cloyster: :charizard: :jolteon: :gengar: :swampert: vs :tyranitar: :charizard: :zapdos: :jirachi: :dugtrio: :suicune:
Skarph is bringing a Cloyster team, Cloyster has gone pretty extinct so I'm always happy to see it in ADV when it appears. The thing I do not like about this team is its matchup vs opposing Charizard. That matchup honestly seems pretty bad since Cloyster is kinda a fake water that doesn't check Molt/Zard and Pert is not an answer due to its 4x weakness to HP Grass. So the Zard check seems to be, the Zard of their own + Jolteon? It could work if you get some nice momentum in the matchup but it seems very shaky. This team is definitely a cool version of JoltSpikes but I'm not sure if it beats out on the original that Triangles brought.
Sadly has brought a special offense team that kind of has some new elements that we haven't seen before. Most of these mons are no strangers to SpcOff but I think Zard is an interesting fit that you typically don't see but rather on Spikes builds, Mixed Offense, or CM pass. In a way, this team kinda feels like a typical CM pass lineup but u substituted the Celebi who passes the CM's for Dugtrio. The team seems to be not so all-in on trapping Blissey with Dug given there are mons used like Beat Up Zard and I presume that Jirachi was SubCM who both are special attackers that beat Blissey. Perhaps this Tyranitar was a mixed variant that tries to annoy Blissey as well with Brick Break. The Dugtrio moreso serves the purpose here to cut the corner on DDTar and just stack up on mons like Beat Up Zard, Zapdos, and CM Rachi that allow it to set up. I like this team a lot and it's probably my favorite bring of the week.

We see Skarph get the better of the lead but probably had hoped to see a Skarm or a bulky water come in on Metagross turn 1. To punish those switches he wanted to get on the front foot with early Cloyster usage to get up a spike. Instead, he was met with Charizard, one of the biggest issues of his team which I mentioned before. This turned, what looked to be an early lead advantage, into a bad spot early on for Skarpherim. After trading his own Zard for Sadly's Zard it just seems pretty bad since Zard is now in blaze as well to start clicking extra strong fire blasts. I think from here on out Skarph should've tried to get any use out of Cloyster as quick as possible to get a single layer up so u at least have some kind of hope with Jolteon here. So potentially on turn 5 he could've went Cloyster I believe as you live any attack and get the spike up while simultaneously threatening Surf damage onto Tar. After that, a couple of relatively normal sequences ensue onto Turn 15 where Sadly goes hard Dugtrio on Jolteon. It's important to note that Dugtrio can only make this play when there are no Spikes on the field, as a singular spike puts Dugtrio in HP Ice / Grass range here. Here Skarph makes the decision to go Gar on the obvious EQ lock from the Dug followed by a swampert double. This was definitely a nice series of plays but I personally feel like Cloyster could've came in on Dugtrio to get a crucial spike up. Because the longer the game goes on, the less worth the spike becomes. The same goes for Cloysters value, its value is way higher earlier in the game than later in the game. I definitely have a good portion of hindsight knowledge here but I cant help but feel that this needs to be pointed out about this game. As a result of this sequence where he gets the Pert in, sadly can freely go into OffCune which becomes a devastating threat here. At +1, HP Grass and Surf is able to trade with both Pert and Jolteon which is a game-ending blow for Skarph. I would like to point out yet again that a singular Spike here would've made a big difference here as Jolteon would've been able to revenge kill Suicune here and it would've still been a game and I'd say maybe even in Skarphs favor. Tyranitar seemed to be Crunch so EQ is not likely and Crunch does in fact not OHKO from the range Jolteon was at. It would've been needed for Sadlysius to have Twave on Zapdos probably to win this game. If Zapdos didn't have Twave I feel like this was a pretty good position for Jolteon and Gengar to potentially win this endgame? As in the end, Cloyster did nothing this game, didn't get up a spike, didn't get a crucial surf off, or didn't boom a target either. Cloyster remains a hard mon to pilot and this game illustrated that.

ArcticBreeze vs Pak
:hariyama: :jirachi: :skarmory: :blissey: :starmie: :flygon: vs :suicune: :celebi: :magneton: :snorlax: :unown-m: :unown-c:
Arctic is bringing a Hariyama stall team, not something to get really excited about unless you are Arctic himself, ABR or DA. The team has CM Bliss as wincon and Knock from Yama and Spikes to make progress. What this Jirachi set was is not revealed but it for sure is Wish + Protect maybe it also has CM and Fire Punch as secondary wincondition but that's me just guessing. I personally feel like just CM Blissey with spikes in no sand is a bit of a weird singular wincondition to me so I really would expect this Jirachi to be something that can just win games as well. Perhaps it is just Toxic Fire Punch which has oftentimes proven to just be a behemoth on its own sometimes given how frustrating it can be to KO. Overall in most cases, I'd think this team is pretty fine albeit a bit passive for my liking.
Pak seems to be using a MagOff team. MagOff is also a teamstyle like MagDol whose viability has been questioned oftentimes but still gets a good amount of use when people think they have solved the archetype yet again (they did in fact not do this). Even though the last 2 mons are not revealed we can pretty much guess them. One of them pretty much always is a Metagross and the other is some kind of Flying type. You could reasonably expect Gyarados, Salamence, Moltres, and Charizard here I would say. Each of them have its own perks in dealing with Heracross, whilst Gyarados and Salamence are much sturdier checks due to Intimidate, the 2 Fire birds do worry about Rock Slide but they are often big offensive threats to the Heracross teams. The Fires are also able to directly switch into Wisp while Gyarados and Salamence need to run Rest (Gyara, real set btw) and Refresh (Mence) respectively. One of the big pros of MagOff is its matchup into fatter builds, so naturally, this matchup is in favor of Pak. Mono water move Sub CM variants of Suicune have been on the rise in recent times with common last moves like Roar and Rain Dance and the Roar variant was featured here.

I will not really get into this game because it was not really interesting from that perspective. The matchup was extremely lopsided and straightforward that doesn't need any real explanation. This is just a case of a fat team facing the one Suicune set they weren't prepared for and got punished for it.

baddummy vs McMeghan
:tyranitar: :celebi: :flygon: :milotic: :magneton: :unown-m: vs :cloyster: :dugtrio: :regice: :metagross: :gengar: :kingdra:
From baddummy we see a very classic lineup. This is a very typical double trap setup with SuitTar and Mag and CB Flygon (although this wasn't revealed in the game). For the last mon it has been commonly seen to be Skarmory but I believe given that the Skarmory never came in that it is probably Metagross, it was also confirmed to me that it was in fact Metagross last. Overall this is a super solid team that just aims to get CB Flygon a lot of opportunities to break through the opponent in a similar fashion to what CB Mence does but it doesn't get hit by sand at the cost of being weaker.
McMeghan has a very cool and interesting team. We see a 2nd Cloyster this week and this is a more recent idea that's been gaining traction, to use it combined with Dugtrio to get a very nice trap on Tyranitar going. This is similar to how Jynx often acts as a lead, sacrificing itself to ensure an early Tar trap but the added bonus of Cloyster is that you get an extra spike in the process. The overall structure of McMeghans team to me resembles kind of a similar idea to a Jirachee team commonly known as "Chill Out". Overall the structure is a bit more offensive with the Dug idea for clearing weather for Kingdra. I personally don't know if I like the change from AgiliMeta to MixMeta, I think the idea of a Meta that forces a Water to be targeted by a boom with Agil just feels more correct rather than chipping away at them through stab Psychic. But I'm sure he had his reasons for going mixed (potentially being able to check Gengar more easily comes to mind). Overall though I like the team, Kingdra is pretty underrated and often just has insane matchups where it easily cleans up in endgame. The sweep is facilitated pretty nicely with the support on the team, especially rain dance Gengar is a nice touch.

The game started off quite normal until there was a big surf crit onto Regice on turn 8. This kind of put baddummy in a really commanding spot with Milotic with Regice so low already. From here on out it kind of seemed like McMeghan ran out of steam and was fully stopped by MiloBi. Especially once Metagross gets trapped by Magneton on Turn 32 there is 1 less Boom to force anything anymore and this one was the strongest and most impactful one of them all. From here on out MiloBi core is pretty much unkillable and baddummy takes the game quite effectively.


Well this post was long af and took me quite long too I hope there is enough interest for this weekly! See you next week!
 
Nobody's really using this thread and that's a shame. ojr keep going on the writeups! Anyway, there's been a lot of interesting play thus far and I'm going to do some quick predictions.

[TYR] Shitrock enjoyer vs Mako [WOL]

Fruhdazi has to be kicking himself hard for how the last week ended. I hope that translates into him putting his nose in the grindstone and coming into this match more prepared and practiced. I expect this to be a bounce-back week for him. Mako is a very formidable opponent, and has seemed on-point after a loss in what seemed to be a very good matchup week one. I expect to see her deviate a bit team-wise, maybe no skarmory this time, but probably still stick to spikes. Fruhdazi has more on the line here, as I think he may start tilting if he loses another close one. Good close matchup but I give the edge to fruh.

[SCO] Sadlysius vs Triangles [CRY]

Triangles extremely outplayed his opponent week one, but his next two seemed entirely decided on matchup. I think these two will wind up with something around neutral, and I hope to see a good game here. I like the way that sadly has played so far, although last week's game was a bit of a blowout. I've just got a hunch that sadly's gonna win this one, even though Triangles has probably looked like the better player so far.

[BIG] ArcticBreeze vs McMeghan [CLA]

This is gonna be 95%+ predicting on roro to win this one but I really think we might see an upset. Arctic's had the heat turned up a bit too high in the kitchen so far, and maybe we'll see that reigned back in or at least some more input from abr. Roro is obviously having a better season on paper, but after getting kinda owned by Rick week one seems to have coasted on matchup since. I'll take the upset here and for both of these players to go about even the rest of the season - but don't be surprised if Arctic goes on a bit of a tear, as after this week he'll have left the stronger half of the pool behind him.

[TIG] baddummy vs Pak [RUI]

Pak pulled off the most impressive game of the season so far last week and seems to be on a killer hot streak. Both of these guys are undefeated but I'll have to give the edge to pak. Major props to the prep work by mielke, it's very tough to make teams that look solid but also look new. I'm a fan of the flygon jirachi team used vs sadlysius.

[SHA] violet river vs Skarpherim [RAI]

I think these two are pretty evenly matched. It's tough being a newcomer in spl and I hope to see them both catch their strides a bit in the coming weeks. Something tells me that skarph will bring something that's more of a comfort pick for him, as he's not shown too much of an ability to branch out at this level this far. River is a dedicated cteamer, so I expect her to either land a pretty good matchup or be able to pull it out against a team that skarph is less experienced piloting. She overcooked pretty bad in week one, and overall I don't think her team choices have been that great so far, so I hope we'll see something closer within the realm of normalcy this week.
 
Turns out predicting everyone who lost the previous week to win isn't a great strategy. Won't try that one again.

[RUI] Pak vs violet river [SHA]
Didn't love his team last week but sometimes spikeless teams just end up performing that way. Regardless, pak's clearly been one of the best so far. I think if this game gets drawn out then pak is gonna be able to outposition and win, so if I'm river I bring something high-variance and try to win fast. My prediction is pak gets control of the pace early on and takes the game.

[CLA] McMeghan vs Skarpherim [RAI]
Same as above but I think skarph has less potential to make something crazy happen than river has. The goat will win cleanly.

[WOL] Mako vs baddummy [TIG]
He'll lose eventually (maybe... he's gone through roro & pak already) but I don't think this is the week. Mako's probably frustrated with how the last week went, and I hope she doesn't tilt and puts up a good showing, but rick's just been too good so far.

[CRY] Triangles vs Shitrock enjoyer [TYR]
No idea what either player will do or should be doing in this matchup. Triangles has been more impressive this season so far so I'm guessing he'll take it.

[BIG] ArcticBreeze vs Sadlysius [SCO]
I thought Arctic was printed for a comeback last week but he got owned. Sadly's not quite on the same level as roro, but I think they're gonna have this one under control as well.
 
[SCO] Sadlysius vs McMeghan [CLA]
Can't bold against roro when he's been looking on form. Sadly is going to win more games but, sadly, it probably won't be this week.

[TYR] Shitrock enjoyer vs ArcticBreeze [BIG]
If fruh offenses he'll win if he fats he'll lose. Not sure what he'll do but the game is in his hands so I'll bold him.

[TIG] baddummy vs Triangles [CRY]
Brit fight, baddumy's been the best so far so I've got to bold him

[SHA] violet river vs Mako [WOL]
Mako's good and I believe in her. River played a good game last week but I think pak could've done a bit better in the builder. I hope mako can bounce back a bit after the losses she's had.

[RAI] Endill vs Pak [RUI]
Why didn't endill get drafted initially? Seems like a big whiff there. Stylistically, I think pak matches up nicely into him. Last week it seems like the ruiners camp got caught trying to mix it up against a cteamer, and that can be ok but it backfired on them so I'll say it's bad. Should be a great game and I expect good things from endill but I'll give him a week to get into the swing of things.
 
[CLA] McMeghan vs Pak [RUI]
I think roro kinda eats pak's comfort zone of slower balances alive. Pak played well last week and lost with terrible luck, I won't say he "should've" won that game because you never know, so if his sheet record looks worse now than it did a few weeks ago I don't believe it's the result of bad play. Unfortunately for him, roro has been playing well even by his standards and is of course very difficult to prep for. Highlight of the week for me.

[WOL] Mako vs Endill [RAI]
Endill certainly got some assistance with last week's win, but he also didn't really make any mistakes along the way. I liked what I saw out of him and I think he'll come out swinging again here. Mako has had a pretty middling season, as her record tells you, and her win last week wasn't particularly impressive. Hard to call with the small sample size on endill but I like what I've seen out of him.

[CRY] Triangles vs violet river [SHA]
I hope to see something more positional out of triangles this week than last, although clearly it was the right pick in that occasion. Not too much to say about river's game - she clearly got unlucky, but was probably always a turn away from losing to agiligross anyway, so tough to call that one.

[BIG] ArcticBreeze vs baddummy [TIG]
If Rick doesn't win this then we'll know he's throwing for his British friends. Jokes aside, Arctic is of course capable of taking this game, but it's hard to predict against Rick, especially now that he's got the silly ho out of his system.

[SCO] Sadlysius vs Shitrock enjoyer [TYR]
I don't think bringing stall into roro was an advisable decision - there's pretty much nobody who can outplay him for 200+ turns in a row. Sadly should have an easier time picking a team this week, though, and I expect to see a pretty even matchup between two pretty evenly matched players. Fruhdazi definitely got pretty unluckylast week but I've got to disapprove off the zapdug pick as well. Slight edge to sadlysius here.
 
I've wanted to write something here, but I find it difficult to analyze/predict in a way that's both respectful to the players yet not one of those stock standard "I'm not betting against Player A here, but Player B is strong enough to win this if things go their way". But I thought of a discussion that I find interesting + I'm just glazing so there aren't punches pulled anyway:

Top 5 adv games of SPL 2025 so far (week 6):
5,4:
Triangles against Baddummy https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen3ou-821579
McMeghan against ArcticBreeze https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen3ou-818482

I decided to lump these very similar games together. I don't rank them higher because both are one-sided affairs, but there's little more fun to watch than someone loading a high-variance lead and just calling everything perfectly. I rank Roro's showing higher due to the consecutive focus punch turns, but Triangles' performance was

Violet River against Pak https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen3ou-820694

In this high-stakes battle (between contending teams with the score at 5-4), River pulls off the upset by leveraging a pair of trendy sets: double edge snorlax and SpDef suicune. Despite the no-spike matchup, she gets huge value out of magneton, paralyzing jirachi and resetting weather twice. River generally has the leg up in this trade-heavy game, and largely seals the deal by catching an attempted breloom pivot into suicune.

Baddummy against Mako https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen3ou-820473

This game sees Baddumy bring one of his tried and true teams (see his game vs Conflict last season) into a dangerous special offense matchup. Mako manages to weaken Rick's celebi and trap the Jirachi before allowing a spike on the field, which often makes for a dominant position. However, Rick puts on a clinic with moltres, first finding an entry and surprise overheat KO on a CMing celebi, then sneaking a crucial burn onto suicune while at -2 SpA. He twice leverages moltres' type synergy with swampert, first going skarmory->swampert->moltres on gengar thunderbolt/will-o-wisp, and later swampert->moltres on Jirachi HPgrass. This ends up being enough to lead to a checkmating DD Ttar position.

Pak against Shitrock Enjoyer https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen3ou-817700

Fruhdazi gets off to a strong start here, finding KOs onto blissey and tyranitar, and his position seems inevitable with 3 setup sweepers and unblocked spinner. Pak's fight here is very impressive, as he eventually puts himself on stable footing, as the celebi/jirachi combo are able to withstand all the threats, including stalling salamence out of fire blasts and nearly running through metagross' earthquakes. Despite having little to work with offensively, Pak predicts incredibly with his singular damage mon Flygon. He first KOs claydol with a HP bug prediction as a sign of things to come. Turn 114 he ends the game emphatically, calling several consecutive switches correctly and reaches a position with no earthquake response.

Any I missed?
 
I was planning on doing an analysis of every SPL game this week, but I ended up writing 1000 words on just the McMeghan vs Sadlysius game, so I’ll only do one analysis this time. Plus, I think there is plenty of analysis for shorter games, but not for long, methodical ones. It’s my first time doing something like this, so I’ll hope you’ll forgive some minor errors in formatting and analysis if you can find them. Perhaps the McMeghan glaze is a little too strong, but what's done is done.

It helps to have some nice music to listen to while watching these long games (loop it if you so choose)

Week 6:
McMeghan vs Sadlysius
:metagross: :suicune: :skarmory: :blissey: :jirachi: :claydol: vs :suicune: :skarmory: :celebi: :blissey: :claydol: :dugtrio:

These two played each other back in SPL 14, and that game lasted 500 turns as both brought very defensive teams. It seems that history repeats itself this week.

McMeghan’s team is strikingly similar to one of his past teams that utilized Armaldo in the Wish Jirachi slot. However, to make up for the lost Knock Off, McMeghan uses his signature Thief Skarmory to effectively do the same. This is especially important given that there’s no sand. Previously, Blissey was Wish, but now that Jirachi is here, it opens up the Blissey slot to use Aroma. I really like this change because the previous team had issues with Gengar/status in general. This allows Jirachi to take status trades without worrying about long-term repercussions. Not having Armaldo worsens the Snorlax MU, but Wish + Aroma + Thief + (Potentially) Double Boom is still enough to stave off Snorlax. I think the Jirachi helps much more here given that Sadlysius had also been bringing teams that were annoyed by Fear/AstaRachi this SPL. The last move on Blissey is Twave, which McMeghan likely prefers for two reasons aside from obviously hindering the big setup mons.
1. If Blissey paras an opposing Suicune, McMeghan doesn’t have to worry about his Suicune failing to Roar out a faster Roar Suicune. Much better than having to use roar Skarmory on a lead Roar Offcune before Skarmory has lefties.
2. If the Thief doesn’t strip the opposing Skarmory of Lefties as intended, paralyzing the Skarmory can help McMeghan get free turns with the rest of his team.

Sadlysius brought a team that McMeghan used vs M Dragon in W2 of SPL15. I don’t have much to say besides that it’s a similar idea to McMeghan’s SPL16 team except the physical presence is Dugtrio instead of Metagross, and it has Leech over Wish to keep mons healthy. The double Natural Cure offsets the lack of Aroma marginally.

The game starts off with both players feeling each other out. McMeghan has the opportunity to Thief Sadly’s Skarmory on several occasions in the early-game but doesn’t, showing McMeghan’s keen awareness. McMeghan doesn’t know Sadly’s last and his Blissey set, and, for all he knows, Sadly has Wish Blissey/Jirachi in the back. McMeghan’s team struggles to quickly pressure Skarmory, aside from Jirachi fire punch and forcing Skarm to Roar on Suicune; however, Sadly has an unknown Suicune set, a Celebi, and a Blissey, meaning that Sadly’s Skarmory was likely not going to be thrown into a CMing Suicune immediately. If McMeghan chooses to Thief the Skarmory and Sadly has Wish somewhere, McMeghan won’t be able to kill the Skarmory before it gets the wish passed to it, leading to a situation where McMeghan would want to take some other key pokemon's item instead. McMeghan is also not in a rush to get the Thief off since he has his own Wish to keep his Skarmory healthy in the meantime.

Sadly makes an interesting Dugtrio switch on T14 likely covering for the Thief and the Jirachi switch on McMeghan’s end; however, it ends up giving McMeghan a spin. After scouting the Toxic Blissey set and keeping things healthy with Wish, McMeghan chooses to start slowly pressuring the Skarmory with Metagross, knowing that Skarmory is going to have a harder time getting the health back. On T53, McMeghan gets into a position to Thief something, as either the Bliss will stay in to Tbolt, Skarmory will come in to heal health and pivot after, or perhaps Claydol will come in to spin the spikes. If Skarmory doesn’t come in, at least it’s still at 58%. Ideally the Blissey gets its item taken. Otherwise, Claydol is good since it seems very unlikely that Sadly has Aroma/Bell to wake up a rest Claydol. Also, if Claydol is rest it can't touch McMeghan's Suicune.

Sadly makes the heads-up play to check for Thief with Celebi since it really isn’t going to have PP/survivability in the long-term. This also covers McMeghan going to Jirachi since Celebi can apply pressure with Leech and HP Fire. Soon after, McMeghan starts roaring, hoping to bring in the Recoverless Celebi and pressure with Drill Peck. Otherwise, stuff like Suicune and Dugtrio are getting chipped.

As the game progresses, McMeghan continues to utilize Metagross and Suicune to pressure Sadly’s team, up until T136. McMeghan has always refused to attack Sadly’s Claydol with Jirachi, instead opting to Wish or switch fearing EQ/Dugtrio switch. Sadly has also been unable to make use of the Dugtrio up to this point, and its health was starting to get dangerously low due to phasing. I think Sadly knew that he needed to get rid of Jirachi to begin the cascade of chip damage, and now was no better time given that McMeghan’s Skarm and Meta were at half. With the Jirachi being around 70%, Sadly makes a prediction that Jirachi will Wish. Instead, McMeghan chooses to go for the Toxic and catches the Dugtrio switch in. The Dugtrio is unable to finish the Jirachi in time, which signifies the turning point of the match. Sadly is now on a massive timer, whereas McMeghan still has 10 wishes to go. Sadly is now forced to go more aggressive with Claydol and Suicune, and ends up boom trading both Claydols in the hope of getting full spikes and roaring things around. Sadly’s Skarmory gets para’d by Twave Blissey in the process, and with some luck, McMeghan's Suicune is able to get its boosts and seal the game. McMeghan even had a boom to work with in the end.

Overall, this game was a wonderful showcase of Wish. It felt that Sadly was always on the back foot because his team’s backbone didn’t have the longevity to continuously trade versus McMeghan. Sadly had the option of Dugtrio, which could have turned the game, but McMeghan’s utilization of phasing and double switching slowly closed the window for the Dugtrio to trap the Jirachi. In the end, Sadly was almost forced to make a sequence and was called out on it. Another interesting dynamic of the game was that if one of McMeghan’s pokemon was Leeched, he would either switch, attack, or spin them away. Although this seems simple on the surface, it should be noted how McMeghan never played passively into Leech, reducing the only form of passable recovery on Sadly’s team. This prevented Dugtrio from coming in and getting health for the entire game.

END

So that is that. I know a lot of people dislike long games, but I think they showcase the most pure intuition from good players. Due to the BO1 (and frankly even BO3) format, I feel like a lot of players feel forced to bring some tech to surprise their opponent a single time for big upside; whereas most long games go on with both players generally learning everything about the other team and applying a solid gameplan. If you can hold off on using a tech for hundreds of turns and smack someone with it at the right time, that is probably one of the greatest feelings in this game. I think more people should strive for that type of delayed gratitude.

Cya :toast:
 
[TIG] baddummy vs mayopockets [SCO]
The couple of losses haven't soured my opinion of rick's play yet. I think we'll see him bring a comfort pick and win against a much less experienced opponent. Mayo is definitely deserving of a sub spot and I'm glad they're getting a chance to play, but I don't think they're on the same level as most of the starters. I'm excited to see how they perform under the bright lights, as they say.

[TYR] Shitrock enjoyer vs McMeghan [CLA]
All season we've seen roro win games he should be winning, and last week we got to see him win one he shouldn't. That doesn't obviously mean anything in the real world, but if he's playing on top of his game and also has the mandate of heaven he's definitely unstoppable. fruhdazi has been playing pretty well (especially when using good teams instead of the teams he says are good) and been on either end of some luck-determined games. I don't think he's in top form against an opponent who would be favored even if he were.

[SHA] Conflict vs ArcticBreeze [BIG]
Arctic has found his sea legs, so to speak, and I think he'll do well against someone who, while definitely very experienced in the tier, doesn't play frequently to my knowledge.

[RAI] Endill vs Quarante8 [CRY]
I've liked endill's play so far and I'm not too convinced on 48. He was on my mushi league team last time I played and he was pretty good but that's a spectacularly lower level of play. I hope to see good things but time will tell.

[RUI] Pak vs Mako [WOL]
Pak has lost 4 in a row I believe after a great start, but I don't think there's much to blame him for in the last two. Especially against mcmeghan he seemed really sharp. Mako got a win last week in a great matchup - her play was good too, but comparing the two of them I don't think mako will win without one of those two factors, and sadlysius wasn't able to find the matchup end of it earlier this season.
 
[BIG] ArcticBreeze vs Endill [RAI]
Both teams are eliminated so this is kind of a for-fun game anyway. I think it's awesome that Arctic could end up positive after starting 0-4, and I think that gives him a bit more to play for. Endill already showed this season that it was wrong to snub him in the draft, and for a short season it doesn't seem to me like there's a big difference between 3-1 and 2-2. These guys are really evenly matched in my eyes but on motivation I'll pick Arctic here.

[CRY] Quarante8 vs Pak [RUI]
Pak technically has something to play for and 48 doesn't. Plus, I think he's the better player by a considerable margin anyway. I would say that 48 took several unnecessary risks last week and I pak is good at exploiting those.

[CLA] Kaz vs Mako [WOL]
Idk who Kaz is. Mako is a good player and she had a few brilliant sequences in last week's game.

[SCO] mayopockets vs Conflict [SHA]
Nothing much to say about either player last week, both played alright and lost. Mayo probably has more to play for, looking for their first spl win and all, but conflict is the better player and he surely doesn't have any nerves at all coming into a game like this.

[TYR] Shitrock enjoyer vs baddummy [TIG]
This has got to be the highlight match, and possibly the only one where both sides really have something to play for (the tigers can technically not make playoffs, I believe). These two have marched up a ton in advpl and on ladder in the past, and I think Rick usually comes away with it but the result is typically close.
 
I was going to write something way more expansive but I got like halfway through and it seemed like a boring af read. Just going to drop some miscellaneous thoughts and shoutouts or whatever. I played SM UU in a couple SPLs and SSDs back in 2018-2019. SPL 10 was probably the single worst experience I've had on this site. I was like 99% sure I'd never join another official, especially since I stopped keeping up with current gen UU as time went on. ADV was always a side thing I'd play for fun. I'd always played it super actively for a few months at a time, not play it for 6+ months, play another 3 months, and so on. That was the case until very recently when I ended up being in a bunch of tours all at once leading up to SPL. ADV is basically the only OU I've ever had any amount of interest in. That's due in large part to the active community, active ladder, and the unique power level / circumstances compared to other gens. It also always stuck out to me how many of the best overall players on the site seemed to have a fixation on it over other tiers. Maybe it was the most competitive or the most fun? In any case, it felt worth exploring.

I think I could've done better than 5-4 if things bounced a bit differently, but at the end of the day it's Pokemon best of 1s. This outcome is alright and I had fun overall. There was definitely some frustration toward the middle of the tour, but ultimately I think my mentality remained pretty decent throughout. That used to be my biggest weakness as a player by far when I was younger, so it makes me happy to say that. With that said, even if I've played a ton of ADV at this point, my understanding of the tier is still probably not where it should be, at least in my mind. That isn't a huge shock considering ADV has always been a fun thing on the side and I never had much temptation or saw much need to build my own stuff. Still, as someone who's spent so many years grinding a couple tiers for my whole time on this site, it was definitely an adjustment to be so reliant on support again, especially on a stage like this. I've always had high expectations for myself, so these sorts of feelings are nothing new. There will always be room to improve and it's fine to recognize that, but it shouldn't come at the cost of enjoying the game for what it is.

Overall it was a good experience and I don't regret signing up. I really debated signing up the last couple years, decided against it both times, then got massive FOMO since I've still followed SPL closely every year since the old days. This may sound dumb to some of the people newer to the site, but I think I also had a bit of mental block that I could succeed in OUs. Lower tier players used to be seen as a lot worse than OU players when I first started in the mid 2010s. I think that's shifted to some extent, but I'm glad I was able to prove to myself that I can hold my own in scenarios like this. Anyway enough rambling - just want to give shoutouts to some random people for their help to this point:

mielke - we've already talked a lot the last however many months about ADV, the game itself, Smogon, etc. Glad to have gotten to know you better overall. Just a very genuine and passionate person, especially when it comes to mons. I wasn't super familiar with you when we first teamed in ADVPL last year, but that was the sense I always got. Over time, I could see you improving more and more. Thank you for agreeing to basically be my dedicated support this tour. I almost certainly would've struggled without someone like you doing most of the hard work, so just wanted to say that again. You have a bright future ahead if you keep up the effort and positive mentality. Looking forward to seeing your own path as a player in future officials.

eden - we haven't been around each other as much in recent years, but you helped me more than anyone early on with this tier. I basically had no understanding of anything at all when I first started in 2019 or so, yet you were always willing to pass teams or talk thru whatever or play test games. I definitely would not have gotten this far into the tier if you not been so willing to help from the start, even if you passed me a million teams or whatever and I never did much for you in return. Our ADVPLs together also went a long way in me getting some real exp and building up my confidence in the tier.

Tony / BKC - this one may seem a little random but these two got me in my first ROAPL when I still barely knew what was going on. Fairly sure I subbed in, went 2-2, and almost certainly did some dumb shit along the way. Still, it was my first real step into ADV tournament play for better or worse. Tony, you've always been super encouraging / supportive of me since our time together in UU, and I'll always really appreciate that. Kevin, you've always been one of my biggest inspirations in this game. Maybe the biggest reason I wanted to get into ADV originally was seeing you and Jirachee play and work in the tier during SPL 9 and 10. Also, just wanted to say thank you again for always entertaining my dumb pokemon rants and whatever else. A lot of the time it's exactly what I need to hear.

CALLOUS - maybe even more random than the last one considering we've probably interacted less than 5 times. With that said, it felt like you were one of the first people to really believe in me in a big way. I have a feeling a lot of others would not have considered me as an option for their big invitational tour at that point in time (whenever CI6 was). It may have only been for play-ins but I do think that experience put ADV on my radar in a real way, and the same can probably said for putting myself on the radar for the larger ADV community. I remember asking you in the past if you thought I could hold my own in tournaments like these, and you gave me a very honest answer that you thought I could. That may sound like not a huge deal, but I do think the way you saw me as an ADV player instilled more confidence in me and really had me thinking about shooting higher.

ADV community - Pretty general, but I wanted to say thank you to the ADV community for basically always being supportive and welcoming. I've never been super super active in the community, but for the most part I only ever had positive experiences. Some specific people that come to mind are Siglut, Sadlysius, and RealJester, who I'd either gotten to know better from other games or random tournaments. I'm probably forgetting some others, but yeah just wanted to give a quick shoutout.

Barclay / Ark / Sage / other old friends - I wouldn't have played this game for so long had I not made a bunch of lifelong friends from it. It still blows my mind that I went to two weddings in the last year or so for people from across the country that I met on Pokemon Showdown. You guys play a big part in making this game feel worth it, even if we aren't all as active as we used to be. Even stuff as simple as liking my win posts despite not being involved in official tournaments as long as me was always a nice surprise and made me happy.

umbry / Gondra / Ruiners - a bunch of teams reached out pre-draft and I really had no idea where I was going. I'd just punted UUBD for umbry, so I was decently confident it would not have been the Ruiners. With that said, I was more than happy for this to be my first official team environment back from such a long break. Just a good group of people that were low maintenance and always happy to help. Sure, it would have been cool if things worked out better for us, but ultimately I had a good time and hope anyone else did too. I wish I could've helped more myself, but yeah I'm pretty useless in any other OUs and was super busy in general. Sorry to them for that. Gondra / umbry - I know it probably feels like shit in the moment, but you are both great managers. I hope this experience doesn't get you down too much. You both have bright futures in that area if you do choose to stick with it. Understandable if not, but us missing playoffs wasn't any one person's fault, especially you two.

edit: Not entirely sure what the future will hold for me in ADV or mons in general, but we'll see. Still a dog shit game but it's been a lot of fun the last few years.
 
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I wanted to say roro’s use of yoloskarm (he didn’t reveal Hp ground/taunt but he was heavily attack invested and so I’m calling it a yoloskarm) on his spl tiebreak team was genius and might see a resurgence on the set. Here was the game: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen3ou-833278

Roro’s team (the zok 6) is literally a sample team it’s been around probably for at least 15 years, but what I think what’s really smart on this team is both the protect suit tar lead and ofc the yoloskarm. Couple of things.

1. We’ve seen yoloskarm largely fall off the face of the earth after 2020ish or so. The big reason is it isn’t a normal Skarmory — you can’t live one fire blast, you have to run from waters and Meta alike, it just doesnt have that longevity. There was a huge metagame shift around 2021 when abr won callous invite away from the forre dominated Meta after linear retired to the more skarm focused meta we see today. We never saw skarm no 1 in vr takes widely being adopted pre 2021 for example. That was the bulky protect / spike / dp / roar maxspdef skarm that today is ubiquitous — other than tox / Peck or tox tect and the occasional thief, taunt, or Hp steel, all other Skarm sets are very rare today at the highest level

2. What is the biggest problem w using the 6 mcm used? Getting overwhelmed by offensive pressure and lack of a long term wincon outside of waiting for your opponent to screw up. There’s been many iterations of mcm’s team, but gradually it has coalesced to cm bliss to check suicune and other cm users and suit tar to both facilitate your spinner and more importantly remove opposing spinners. The big innovation in this game was tect tar, not an unheard of move on lead suit tar, but it fits brilliantly here, as it helps prevent skarm from getting overwhelmed by leads early in the game. Cb meta? It either booms into tect or mashes so you can go Milo safely. Mence lead? Scout cb so you can get milo safely. All of this means he can delay going Skarm as much as possible early in the game when you have a tar lead

3. Which gets us back to yoloskarm. On the surface it looks ridiculous, you have dug, just double switch you don’t need yoloskarm. Yoloskarm gives you a few things: first you prevent immediate spikes from other skarms and of course completely destroy mag bc other mags other than max modest don’t exist rn. Second You have the defensive backbone and suit tar afford the longevity issues w yoloskarm — weve seen thief skarm get adopted by these teams, but yolo takes it to the next level. And third that max attack dp really stings when you don’t expect it — forre, bliss, lax, and dol really don’t enjoy it and hp ground helps chip meta and tar well. The only thing I see missing is you lose roar (unless tar has it) which can hurt against like lax? You have dug and cm bliss + sand to help against all other things you’d need to phase.

Overall maybe I missed a years worth of replays in adv where people explored this, but loved the choice from McMeghan and congrats to him! Long live adv!
 
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