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Maybe:Froslass: and :Cofagrigus: and its not even close what the actual fuck?

:Froslass: Alternate aurora veil/hail setter that also packs spikes and good support movepool. Nicely fits the design and can even run physical sets by virtue of spamming poltergeist and triple axel. On a weaker slate it should lose but i hate everything else so much that this comes as acceptable.
Edit: Just saw that this was given more spa, that is literally useless on this and i hate it, but i hate every other sub even more so its still getting the vote.

Edit 2: My mind was being clouded by the sheer old man rage produced by this slate so i forgot about how this thing just needs to spam blizzard and its somewhat as dumb as the ice cream cone doing it. Also you only need to use a single attacking move if you are the lead set my bad yall (HydreigonTheChild thanks for reminding me but use the discord instead of posting in the thread you fucking bozo. Still thanks man i luv you.)

:Cofagrigus: I don't really like it but id rather have this than literally anything else in this slate. Ghost fighting coverage is nice and strong body press does sound good, trick room appreciates it too. Defensive typing is nice for a wall as well. I usually wouldn't vote for this but you know.
Edit: Nvm recover given to it is kinda good so now its a very fat wall with funny interactions with mummy, it's dumb but better than everything else.

:Cryogonal: no
:Virizion: NO
:Comfey: NO
 
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:Froslass: Alternate aurora veil/hail setter that also packs spikes and good support movepool. Nicely fits the design and can even run physical sets by virtue of spamming poltergeist and triple axel. On a weaker slate it should lose but i hate everything else so much that this comes as acceptable.
Edit: Just saw that this was given more spa, that is literally useless on this and i hate it, but i hate every other sub even more so its still getting the vote.
I hear you didnt mention blizzard spam.. may i introduce you to it? it sounds like a memory jog is due
 
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Well either way, I will holding off voting until the voting commences. Either way, I'm pretty excited about Cogragrigus 'cause it's got a stronger Body Press than Kommo-o.
 
:cofragrigus: no longer weak to knock off, yay
:comfey: 80bp STAB with +3 priority, very scary for a casual mnm player like me
:virizion: bigger damage output, maybe too big...
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Adaptability Virizion Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latias: 289-341 (96 - 113.2%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Adaptability Virizion Close Combat vs. 248 HP / 168+ Def Corviknight: 395-465 (98.9 - 116.5%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Adaptability Virizion Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 140-166 (46 - 54.6%) -- 60.5% chance to 2HKO
and a horn leech to heal off life orb recoil.
:cryogonal: very interesting typing, probably would ended up being a fast spinner/pivot.
:froslass: turns into a great support mon, I think offensive teams would use froslass more since it can fill out different roles such as fast taunter, screen support, hazard support. But it won't completely outclass alola ninetales due to its worse bulk(but maybe that's it).
 
Cofagrigus + Fighting type + Recover

Physical monster of a wall with no knock resist means it can annoy most physical pokemon with wisp, body press, mummy, and recovering off any damage it takes and is able to hold its own very well against them such as bisharp, melm, bulu, weavile, zeraora, and maybe some more. We have many special walls in the tier so I am pretty sure its shit special bulk could be covered.

Comfey + Flying type + Oblivion Wing

Offense and hyper offense commits die... if this comes in late game and tran is weakened or gone this just cleans house since its gonna be much faster than a lot of things and with hp investment it can tank some hits you would not expect it to live. Sounds cancer to face and sounds like ur playing 5-6 until this comes late game and cleans everything

Virizion + Adaptability + Horn Leech

Nice nuclear bombs... i really like special sets as it has the same sp. attack as its attack but leaf storm is stronger to boot and is not worn down by helmet often and does more damage in general due to sp. def walls often not being able to take the hits well such as the calcs how below

I heard u liked nuclear damage

Virizion @ Life Orb
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Calm Mind
- Leaf Storm
- Focus Blast
- Synthesis

Some good damage it does... held back by unreliable stabs due to accuracy or having major drawbacks slapped on them... I believe it will be a nice hit and run pokemon and a nice pokemon that abuses fat teams to get free CM's and launch nuclear bombs at +1... sure is an interesting sub to say the least

252 SpA Life Orb Adaptability Virizion Leaf Storm vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Toxapex: 211-250 (69.4 - 82.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Adaptability Virizion Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Dragonite: 133-156 (41.1 - 48.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Adaptability Virizion Leaf Storm vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Victini: 144-170 (42.2 - 49.8%) -- 1.2% chance to 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Adaptability Virizion Leaf Storm vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Zapdos: 157-186 (40.9 - 48.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Adaptability Virizion Leaf Storm vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 328-387 (78 - 92.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Adaptability Virizion Leaf Storm vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Latias: 114-135 (37.8 - 44.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Adaptability Virizion Leaf Storm vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Dhelmise: 157-186 (45.6 - 54%) -- 51.6% chance to 2HKO
Cryogonal + Steel type + Doom Desire (STAB) + U-turn

I uh... beats lando, non flame stealth rocks chomp, and clef.... But it loses to MUDSDALE THE GOD HORSE BAD SPINNER! UNVIABLE! VEVOTE IT! srsly it seems good and with doom desire setup it sounds nice and with u-turn it can setup it up for teammates like pult, garchomp, zeraora, and zapdos-g.

Frosslass + Snow Warning + 20 SPATK

Blizzard spam go brr... sounds nice idk would like to hear more about it cuz all i know is its a blizzard spamming bot

252 SpA Choice Specs Froslass Blizzard vs. 252 HP / 176+ SpD Assault Vest Slowking-Galar: 108-127 (27.4 - 32.2%) -- 69.1% chance to 3HKO after hail damage
252 SpA Choice Specs Froslass Blizzard vs. 0 HP / 244 SpD Melmetal: 117-138 (28.4 - 33.5%) -- 0.2% chance to 3HKO after hail damage and Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Choice Specs Froslass Blizzard vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Tapu Fini: 89-105 (25.8 - 30.5%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after hail damage and Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Choice Specs Froslass Blizzard vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ferrothorn: 145-172 (41.1 - 48.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after hail damage and Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Choice Specs Froslass Blizzard vs. 252 HP / 56+ SpD Clefable: 210-247 (53.2 - 62.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

IDK looks fine i guess... dunno what to vote for yet besides smth like cofa + virizion being smth that catches my eyes
 

G-Luke

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Maybe:Froslass: and :Cofagrigus: and its not even close what the actual fuck?

:Froslass: Alternate aurora veil/hail setter that also packs spikes and good support movepool. Nicely fits the design and can even run physical sets by virtue of spamming poltergeist and triple axel. On a weaker slate it should lose but i hate everything else so much that this comes as acceptable.
Edit: Just saw that this was given more spa, that is literally useless on this and i hate it, but i hate every other sub even more so its still getting the vote.

Edit 2: My mind was being clouded by the sheer old man rage produced by this slate so i forgot about how this thing just needs to spam blizzard and its somewhat as dumb as the ice cream cone doing it. Also you only need to use a single attacking move if you are the lead set my bad yall (HydreigonTheChild thanks for reminding me but use the discord instead of posting in the thread you fucking bozo. Still thanks man i luv you.)

:Cofagrigus: I don't really like it but id rather have this than literally anything else in this slate. Ghost fighting coverage is nice and strong body press does sound good, trick room appreciates it too. Defensive typing is nice for a wall as well. I usually wouldn't vote for this but you know.
Edit: Nvm recover given to it is kinda good so now its a very fat wall with funny interactions with mummy, it's dumb but better than everything else.

:Cryogonal: no
:Virizion: NO
:Comfey: NO
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Several weeks ago, a judgement was passed. A judgement that ended the tyranny of Kyurem. And though our tier has become more by the imprisonment of Kyurem there is yet a hole in our hearts and in our teams that only a powerful ice queen may mend. A Pokémon born from hardship that shall find a place within our new tier and in our teams. Who’s powerful blizzards and spikes will be welcome throughout the land.
 

G-Luke

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Several weeks ago, a judgement was passed. A judgement that ended the tyranny of Kyurem. And though our tier has become more by the imprisonment of Kyurem there is yet a hole in our hearts and in our teams that only a powerful ice queen may mend. A Pokémon born from hardship that shall find a place within our new tier and in our teams. Who’s powerful blizzards and spikes will be welcome throughout the land.
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Paulluxx

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Several weeks ago, a judgement was passed. A judgement that ended the tyranny of Kyurem. And though our tier has become more by the imprisonment of Kyurem there is yet a hole in our hearts and in our teams that only a powerful ice queen may mend. A Pokémon born from hardship that shall find a place within our new tier and in our teams. Who’s powerful blizzards and spikes will be welcome throughout the land.
Riddle me this impsquare, who was in bed with your mother last night.

Hint: It wasn’t your father.

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Little bit of criticism to make this not a one liner:

Cofagrigius kinda bad yo, it’s future sight weak, and +2 triple axel easily 2HKOs, STAB Body press is neat(and alleviates most of the threat Heatran poses to it), and it does benefit greatly from the addition of recovery, that doesn’t mean it’s good though. Just seems annoying, and a bit hard to kill for some teams. Defensive ghost types don’t usually turn out that well, especially ghost fighting, it has zero meaningful resists.
Idk I just think people are really overhyping any true impact this mon will have
 
Cofagrigius kinda bad yo, it’s future sight weak, and +2 triple axel easily 2HKOs, STAB Body press is neat(and alleviates most of the threat Heatran poses to it), and it does benefit greatly from the addition of recovery, that doesn’t mean it’s good though. Just seems annoying, and a bit hard to kill for some teams. Defensive ghost types don’t usually turn out that well, especially ghost fighting, it has zero meaningful resists.
Idk I just think people are really overhyping any true impact this mon will have
"+2 triple axel easily 2HKOs"

You can switch on the SD and proceed to body press it out of oblivion or burn it or just recover it off because weavile IDT wants to be nuked by a stab body press. And even if it has the balls to stay in on you can just be rocky helmet cofagrigus as you are a phys. def wall and even then weavile has a pretty low chance to actually 2hko cofa with 2 +2 axels after it recovers in between them and even then IDt any weavile has the balls to knock or triple axel it.

"zero meaningful resists"

Well for a physical wall it has no detrimental weaknesses so it can wall most of the physical wall of the tier. Nothing in OU pretty much has a SE hit on it from the physical side aside from zapdos-g. Being weak on the special side is called a weakness and smth every pokemon has.

"Just seems annoying, and a bit hard to kill for some teams"

Good vs beat up teams and has a general good MU into some of the scary offensive pokemon such as weavile, golisopod, haxrous, obstagoon, BU zeraora, SD garchomp, scarf kart, DD dragonite, bisharp, and maybe some more. It can also scare out a lot of pokemon such as urshifu-r, rillaboom, zarude, banded kart and SD kart, and some more I may not remember of the top of my head.

Being hard to kill is what a wall is supposed to do and annoying for physical pokemon that is correct
 

Paulluxx

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"+2 triple axel easily 2HKOs"

You can switch on the SD and proceed to body press it out of oblivion or burn it or just recover it off because weavile IDT wants to be nuked by a stab body press. And even if it has the balls to stay in on you can just be rocky helmet cofagrigus as you are a phys. def wall and even then weavile has a pretty low chance to actually 2hko cofa with 2 +2 axels after it recovers in between them and even then IDt any weavile has the balls to knock or triple axel it.

"zero meaningful resists"

Well for a physical wall it has no detrimental weaknesses so it can wall most of the physical wall of the tier. Nothing in OU pretty much has a SE hit on it from the physical side aside from zapdos-g. Being weak on the special side is called a weakness and smth every pokemon has.

"Just seems annoying, and a bit hard to kill for some teams"

Good vs beat up teams and has a general good MU into some of the scary offensive pokemon such as weavile, golisopod, haxrous, obstagoon, BU zeraora, SD garchomp, scarf kart, DD dragonite, bisharp, and maybe some more. It can also scare out a lot of pokemon such as urshifu-r, rillaboom, zarude, banded kart and SD kart, and some more I may not remember of the top of my head.

Being hard to kill is what a wall is supposed to do and annoying for physical pokemon that is correct
All of the pokemon you mention, that this checks, are walled by Buzzwole, which has resistances, to grass, and most importantly to ground, has decent speed, access to offensive sets, less utility, but it doesn't really need that much. While having quite a bit more natural bulk.

What are the benefits to it over Buzzwole.
 
All of the pokemon you mention, that this checks, are walled by Buzzwole, which has resistances, to grass, and most importantly to ground, has decent speed, access to offensive sets, less utility, but it doesn't really need that much. While having quite a bit more natural bulk.

What are the benefits to it over Buzzwole.
The support moves and WoW allows it to pressure many pokemon and wear it down that and be able to threaten any setup sweepers with it while also pressuring defensive pokemon with tools such as knock, WoW, and even TR while being able to use NP itself with recover to make a bulky sweeper
 

G-Luke

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Riddle me this impsquare, who was in bed with your mother last night.

Hint: It wasn’t your father.

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Little bit of criticism to make this not a one liner:

Cofagrigius kinda bad yo, it’s future sight weak, and +2 triple axel easily 2HKOs, STAB Body press is neat(and alleviates most of the threat Heatran poses to it), and it does benefit greatly from the addition of recovery, that doesn’t mean it’s good though. Just seems annoying, and a bit hard to kill for some teams. Defensive ghost types don’t usually turn out that well, especially ghost fighting, it has zero meaningful resists.
Idk I just think people are really overhyping any true impact this mon will have
I agree with this somewhat. Having a small amount of the key resists that Fighting types have kinda sucks for it, No Dark resists mean you will need secondary counterplay to the likes of Bisharp or Weavile, which really sucks as this is usuallywthe main reason anyone is running a bulky Fighter on a team. On the flipside, having tools like Will O Wisp, Mummy and being able to effectively hit on both sides of the spectrum may give it a leg up over its competition, and allow it to be a somewhat competent wall. I would not call it the best PhysDef Fighting type or even the best PhysDef wall, but I think this Pokemon could work as a decent option for squads, mainly because of Will O Wisp making it unlikely for most stuff to set up on it with ease.
 
Usually id let this slide like a guy that accepts fun, but out of the fact that i have enough time this week (and out of sheer spite), here are some essays for yall!:

:Cryogonal:
Y'all know my position on giving out legendary signatures, you have all heard me bitch out about darmanitan on discord and such, utimately as much as i hate and still think is one of the worst design decisions of this mod i have come to accept that it does fit with its tools like sheer force, even if it makes it just click buttons. But this? This is just shoving a legendary move on a regular pokemon with and added typing for zero fucking reason, it wasn't even steel type to begin with and the only relevant steel move it had before was flash cannon. While i can respect the intense desire to see doom desire work in a mon, i feel like the submitter needs to first study the prime example of this move being used to effectiveness: :equilibra: and the process behind its creation, as just assuming one can make doom desire work like future sight is entirely wrong, as the move needs to be treated with the care and respect it deserves, especially since ice typing doesn't help this mon this stuff that doom desire struggles with. Its bland and uninspired as it sits right now not to mention that ice scales is funnier.

:comfey:
I apparently had voted this on for some reason and forgot, maybe i had done it as a joke? Still its inclusion is partially my fault and im sorry with the community for letting this monstrocity in. While i can respect that the original subber has now come up with a more inspired comfey sub, the fact that this was allowed is ridiculous. Going away from the same song you always hear me say, this is not only very inconstitent, but also extremely obnoxious to face against, giving priority to what is literally the strongest draining move in the game makes its ludicrously obnoxious, especially since its a way stronger stab than it had before. It provides zero defensive utility for the team and is only there to come late game, set up calm mind and refuse to die by spamming its stabs while offense can do fuck all about it. It feels like an unnecessary strain for teambuilding for a mon which provides extremely little if nothing to the meta, but also is only there to invalidate a playstyle that already struggles to find a way in the meta.

:Virizion:
Some think this will be too weak, some think it will be too strong, im in the second half. Yes i can understand the point behind this, yes i can see how this could in theory help virizion, i see how its checks only need to resist grass and fighting attacks, therefore it should be balanced right? Well no, while i can definitely see some effort into thinking how virizion can take advantage of something like this, but something that was failed to be considered is that this thing is too versatile to be checked properly. The fact that it can run physical, special and mixed sets makes it extremely complicated to predict and prepare properly, as preparing for all kinds of virizion is hard considering how both physical and special sets both hit stupid amount of damage when setting up. Imo it just seems like a very annoying not because of the sheer power of its stab, but because of how hard it is to predict its set and how outragously strong many of them are.

Have to admit opinion on Cofagrigus souring up a lot, would prefer the buffs of recover or ghost fighting but not at once, not like the alternatives are any better however. Boomer out, have a horrible day young ones (especially y'all who clog the thread instead of solving stuff in discord).
Edit: Oh wait, im clogging the thread now damn, eh bad day for me as well i guess.
 
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G-Luke

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I do not really care about defending the other subs, but I will go about defending my own submission here. Virizion looks extremely versatile IN THEORY, but in practice faces a multitude of pitfalls that help keep it in check. Physical sets of course have to deal with the fact that whilethey have a big stron primart Offensive STAB (being Close Combat) its secondary STAB is largely mediocre outside of hitting super effective targets, due to both its naturally low BP (75 for Horn Leech, 90 for Leaf Blade) and it's poor offensive typing. Contrast this with special STABs just having multiple drawbacks that limit their effectiveness and the natural balancing factors start to become clear. Almost all sets have copius defensive and offensive counterplay, the former with the likes of Bulky Torn T, Buzzwole, Lando T, Dhelmise etc, while offensive counterplay includes but not limited to Weavile, new kid on the block Crobat, Blacephalon, Dragapult and Gengar (lots of Ghost). Virizion is indeed a strong wallbreaker, if it wasn't, why would anyone want to use it? But I heavily disagree with the notion that it is a broken element, as most teams have natural counterplay built into their team structure - Virizion compliments the current metagame, instead of heavily altering it.
 
:Virizion:
Some think this will be too weak, some think it will be too strong, im in the second half. Yes i can understand the point behind this, yes i can see how this could in theory help virizion, i see how its checks only need to resist grass and fighting attacks, therefore it should be balanced right? Well no, while i can definitely see some effort into thinking how virizion can take advantage of something like this, but something that was failed to be considered is that this thing is too versatile to be checked properly. The fact that it can run physical, special and mixed sets makes it extremely complicated to predict and prepare properly, as preparing for all kinds of virizion is hard considering how both physical and special sets both hit stupid amount of damage when setting up. Imo it just seems like a very annoying not because of the sheer power of its stab, but because of how hard it is to predict its set and how outragously strong many of them are.
Well... lets see what pokemon can offensively check virizion

Physical sets get countered by Zapdos, buzzwole, dragonite, slowking-g, torn-t, latias, dhelmise while they can easily get offensively revenge killed especially by some of the best pokemon in the tier such as weavile, torn-t, scarf fini, arctozolt, and some more I cant remember (prob first impression pod as well). It also gets worn down by LO making it so it has to waste turns clicking synthesis to stay alive as horn leech into rocky helmets is a bad day for it especially with LO, being vulnerable to spikes, and having to dodge status from flame body heatran and statis zapdos which can make the pokemon have a much harder time to find opportunities.

Special sets get countered by slowking-g, AV torn-t, dragonite, corviknight, latias, dhelmise, while also being very very prediction reliant while also having stabs that have major drawbacks.

1) focus blast misses 30% of the time aka 30% chanace that virizion does jack shit on a turn even if it predicted right

2) leaf storm makes it so anything can pretty much counter virizion and makes it forced to switch out

Mixed sets are also generally weaker which makes them easier to deal with as they have to invest into both attack and special attack otherwise something like a close combat will not have the same impact.Which means the counters can easily wall it easily since many similar pokemon overlap in checking or countering both sets.

Virizion is a nuclear bomb don't get me wrong.... but its not like kyurem where it can beat all of its checks and force like 2-3 checks or counters on a team and many teams have offensive counterplay against it since many of the best pokemon can revenge kill it if it takes enough chip or flat out ohko it since with so many stuff cutting into its recovery. It also cannot really switch into some of the best pokemon into the tier and going by them

SS OU Ranking Tier List

S Rank:

S Rank


-> can u-turn or click toxic vs it so it cannot really freely switch in and even then you only do 74% max with max sp. attack LO leaf storm so it can really force you on a timer

S- Rank

-> having ur LO be knocked off is not the end of the world but it can be pivoted in vs it and get a free turn pretty much due to the lack of pressure ferro exerts on you outside of t-wave

-> flame body on the rise means a bad leaf blade into it can ruin ur virizion but it kinda gets a free turn and can easily grab a SD or click buttons


-> one of the pokemon you cannot switch into no matter what unless they are banded but u have to click synthesis otherwise u drop to low to 2 knocks

A Rank:

A+ Rank


-> Full hp clef can eat any hit and you have to have significant chip on it to really actually force it out. It CAN be CM bait since you can outheal it at +1 sp. def but.... yeah
-> virizion cant really touch it and it gets to spam free shadow ball
-> beware of banded kart and SD kart as they can easily OHKO you if you even have the slightest of chip on you
-> .... free button mashing when u actually get to pivot in
-> scarf fini beats you CM and Whirlpool does not... but none of them give you free switches unless you like taking massive chip from madness and unless ur special ... scald burns
-> leaf blade suprisingly doesnt ohko so yeah... dazzling can 2hko you but koko can rack up chip damage especially with u-turn and all the LO ur taking
-> best counter you can have vs it as it tanks everything it throws at you and AV does special sets dirty
-> can toxic, can baneful bunker, can haze away any boosts and physical pex can take on any set besides CM but toxic annoys it enough to the point ur gonna be spenidng a lot of turns spamming synthesis


A Rank

-> a fat pokemon that will probably eat any of your moves you throw at it and click brave bird or pivot to a pokemon that nukes you out of the ground
-> Tank chomps annoys physical sets otherwise its scared out and can pretty much switch into besides into 3 hits of scale shots followed by another as that can OHKO you
-> free switch but beware of ID body press if ur physical as it does ohko you after a defense drop
-> uh free pivot but leaf blade doesnt ohko it.... so be careful as it can scald burn you or just port out
-> best counter as it tanks everything you throw at it so pls dont switch virizion into this
-> scarf nukes you but once you get in you can click buttons
-> good luck switching in. You force it out as an offensive pokemon should
-> good luck if u get burnt by flame body
-> one of the best counters you have as it can tank anything, threaten to ohko you, or threaten paralysis to physical sets
Knock + toxic is annoying... it is forced out otherwise

dont know where these guys are on the VR but...


-> pretty much same as zera... can annoy but is pretty much forced out and can generally switch into it.

-> megahorn has a shot to ohko you after rocks.... and ur pretty much always slower so yeah this is a very offensive check

-> walls the crap out of you and even has synthesis to keep itself alive.

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-> walls you and can use you as u-turn momentum

->outspeeds and ohkos you with psyshock

-> its an offenisve check to darm...

:zoroark: -> outspeeds and moonblast does a ton to you back

As you can see it... many pokemon can annoy the crap out of virizion to make sure it doesnt get to many opportunities and some can even cripple it. It is an offensive pokemon and it does its job of applying pressure and punishing teams who give it free switch in but you can definitely play around it and has many offensive checks on any team and has a few hard counters. I believe it is balanced and a good addition and i dont see a reason it is OP
 
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