Checks: Goodra and Lycanroc-Dusk
Counters: Sylveon and Chansey
Honorable Mention: Diancie
Counters: Sylveon and Chansey
Honorable Mention: Diancie
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Project SS UU Victim Of The Week v2- Week 53: Darmanitan (Submissions)
- Thread starter Monky25
- Start date
Checks: Rhyperior and Primarina
Counters: Diancie and Sylveon
Counters: Diancie and Sylveon
Voting has concluded! There was a tie for the checks between Rhyperior and Goodra, so I decided to break the tie and give the win to HydreigonTheChild with their rhyperior submission and having Codename Magnum take runner up, since rhyp is the best check there is to g molt imo. For the counters, we have Lilburr taking first while Monky25 and BigFatMantis tied for runner up. Congrats everyone! Your submissions will be added to the hall of fame shortly. Adding up all the points, here is the final result.
Primarina @ Choice Specs
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Moonblast
- Psychic
- Flip Turn
This week we have Primarina! Prima has surged to the top of the metagame in this month, being an extremely tough Pokemon to wall while also being able to provide defensive utility in its typing. With a solid amount of sets, prima is very unpredictable. Sub CM can turn normal switch ins like Amoonguss to set up fodder while RestTalk is a great set to own Kommo-o. However, the set we will look at is Specs, a devastating walllbreaker that can 2HKO nearly the entire tier with its powerful attacks. How will you answer this threat? Submissions are due Tuesday, May 4 at 11:59 PM PST
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BigFatMantis- 9
Monky25- 9
HydreigonTheChild-9
Askov-8
UrAverageHuman-8
Codename Magnum- 8
Flare219- 7
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Lilburr-4
gglrg-3
Fusion Flare-2
AquaRing-2
Bandkrook-2
The Disco Devil-2
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Twilight-1
Celebii-1
In an unbelievably strange outcome, for the first cycle of victim of the week (or weeks 1-12) we have 4 winners! Congrats to Monky25 avarice BigFatMantis and HydreigonTheChild for all winning the cycle. You all will be put into the hall of fame recognizing your achievement. Note that the points now reset to 0, so it is anyone's game to catch up and win the next cycle. Now, lets introduce our next victim!BigFatMantis- 9
Monky25- 9
HydreigonTheChild-9
Askov-8
UrAverageHuman-8
Codename Magnum- 8
Flare219- 7
TotomonGang-4
Lilburr-4
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Fusion Flare-2
AquaRing-2
Bandkrook-2
The Disco Devil-2
HitmonStars-1
Twilight-1
Celebii-1
Primarina @ Choice Specs
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Moonblast
- Psychic
- Flip Turn
This week we have Primarina! Prima has surged to the top of the metagame in this month, being an extremely tough Pokemon to wall while also being able to provide defensive utility in its typing. With a solid amount of sets, prima is very unpredictable. Sub CM can turn normal switch ins like Amoonguss to set up fodder while RestTalk is a great set to own Kommo-o. However, the set we will look at is Specs, a devastating walllbreaker that can 2HKO nearly the entire tier with its powerful attacks. How will you answer this threat? Submissions are due Tuesday, May 4 at 11:59 PM PST
God Bulu Set
Tapu Bulu @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Grassy Surge
EVs: 252 HP / 120 SpD / 136 Spe
Careful Nature
- Horn Leech
- Dazzling Gleam
- Protect
- Synthesis
This set is the ultimate counter to Primarina, while it does get 2HKO'd by Moonblast thanks to our speed investment we can creep it to get the upper hand with a strong horn leech. Synthesis, Grassy Terrain and Boots lets us always be healthy to fight against every Primarina set.Bulu's naturally high attack means we aren't threatened by CM Primarina even after a burn
CALCS
252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 120+ SpD Tapu Bulu: 211-249 (61.3 - 72.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 120+ SpD Tapu Bulu: 122-144 (35.4 - 41.8%) -- 84.6% chance to 3HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
0 Atk Tapu Bulu Horn Leech vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Primarina in Grassy Terrain: 338-402 (112.2 - 133.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Tapu Bulu @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Grassy Surge
EVs: 252 HP / 120 SpD / 136 Spe
Careful Nature
- Horn Leech
- Dazzling Gleam
- Protect
- Synthesis
This set is the ultimate counter to Primarina, while it does get 2HKO'd by Moonblast thanks to our speed investment we can creep it to get the upper hand with a strong horn leech. Synthesis, Grassy Terrain and Boots lets us always be healthy to fight against every Primarina set.Bulu's naturally high attack means we aren't threatened by CM Primarina even after a burn
CALCS
252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 120+ SpD Tapu Bulu: 211-249 (61.3 - 72.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 120+ SpD Tapu Bulu: 122-144 (35.4 - 41.8%) -- 84.6% chance to 3HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
0 Atk Tapu Bulu Horn Leech vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Primarina in Grassy Terrain: 338-402 (112.2 - 133.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
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the tangster
Zarude-Dada @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Leaf Guard
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Power Whip
- Darkest Lariat
- Jungle Healing
- U-turn
Zarude-Dada is a CHECK that can switch-in on 3 out of 4 moves, not fearing a burn with Scald thanks to the inclusion of Jungle Healing in this set. It can easily OHKO Primarina while living various hits. Also it's Zarude-Dada because it has a Scarf, which represents the lack of a Choice Scarf.
252 Atk Zarude Power Whip vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Primarina: 474-560 (157.4 - 186%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Zarude: 150-177 (42.7 - 50.4%) -- 2% chance to 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Scald vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Zarude: 110-129 (31.3 - 36.7%) -- 75.4% chance to 3HKO
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the gangster tangster 
Tangrowth @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Giga Drain
- Sludge Bomb
- Knock Off
- Earthquake
The Tangster is a counter to Choice Specs Primarina. Though it has to worry about switching directly into Moonblast, it can switch into every other move, and 2HKO Primarina with Giga Drain.
Tangrowth @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Giga Drain
- Sludge Bomb
- Knock Off
- Earthquake
The Tangster is a counter to Choice Specs Primarina. Though it has to worry about switching directly into Moonblast, it can switch into every other move, and 2HKO Primarina with Giga Drain.
0 SpA Tangrowth Giga Drain vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Primarina: 152-182 (50.4 - 60.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Tangrowth: 181-214 (44.8 - 52.9%) -- 27.3% chance to 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Tangrowth: 181-214 (44.8 - 52.9%) -- 27.3% chance to 2HKO
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Tentacruel @ Payapa Berry
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 152 Def / 8 SpD / 96 Spe
Timid Nature
- Scald
- Sludge Wave
- Knock Off
- Rapid Spin
Payapa berry Tentacruel is a counter/check(idk) to specs primarina,Clear body is used to ensure psychic can't spdef drop,and sludge wave is a guarenteed 2hko whole sbomb isit.Tenta can also knock Primarina to greatly reduce it's power by removing it's choice specs.
0 SpA Tentacruel Sludge Wave vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Primarina: 152-180 (50.4 - 59.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Psychic vs. 252 HP / 8 SpD Payapa Berry Tentacruel: 135-159 (37 - 43.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Psychic vs. 252 HP / 8 SpD Tentacruel: 270-318 (74.1 - 87.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery
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The dream is sadly dead, why did my replays have to be on my laptop?
Thundurus-Therian (M) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Nasty Plot
- Thunderbolt
- Sludge Wave
- Focus Blast
Thundy is able to outspend and OHKO Primarina from full, it doesn’t even need the boost. With rocks you secure the knock out, and you can even switch in on scald or psychic (wow!)
252 SpA Thundurus-Therian Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Primarina: 282-332 (93.6 - 110.2%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Scald vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Thundurus-Therian: 253-298 (84.6 - 99.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Outrage
- Close Combat
- Poison Jab
Haxorus is a check to primarina as it can come in on any attack and threaten it out with an OHKO with poison jab, it can also set up a dragon dance on primarina knowing it will fear getting ohko'ed and can mow through the rest of primarina's team
252 Atk Life Orb Mold Breaker Haxorus Poison Jab vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Primarina: 317-374 (105.3 - 124.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Haxorus: 193-228 (65.8 - 77.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Haxorus: 211-249 (72 - 84.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
reserving Thundurus
Assault Vest slowbro-G is a check to Primarina.Slowbro-Galar @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
-Scald
-Sludge Bomb
-Flamethrower
-Psychic
Slowbro-Galar with an Assault Vest is not 2hkod by any non Hydro Pump Attack and can 2hko Primarina back. This set can live 2 Choice Specs Scalds with Rocks up and live from full health 2 Choice specs Scalds with Burn and Rocks Damage most of the time. While Slowbro-Galar is 2hkod by Hydro Pump it can heal of some of the health with Regenerator and draw the Hydro Pump to a resist.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Scald vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Slowbro-Galar: 139-165 (35.2 - 41.8%) -- 6.3% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and burn damage
252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Slowbro-Galar: 192-226 (48.7 - 57.3%) -- 94.1% chance to 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Scald vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Slowbro-Galar: 139-165 (35.2 - 41.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
4+ SpA Slowbro-Galar Sludge Bomb vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Primarina: 188-224 (62.4 - 74.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Slowbro-Galar: 192-226 (48.7 - 57.3%) -- 94.1% chance to 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Scald vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Slowbro-Galar: 139-165 (35.2 - 41.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
4+ SpA Slowbro-Galar Sludge Bomb vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Primarina: 188-224 (62.4 - 74.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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Fighting fire with fire with Toxtricity as a check.
Toxtricity @ Choice Specs
Ability: Punk Rock
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Boomburst
- Overdrive
- Volt Switch
- Sludge Wave
Introducing the other extremely scary Choice Specs user, with Choice Specs and Punk Rock together effectively giving its sound-based moves a 1.95 times boost. Overdrive and Sludge Wave OHKO Primarina. Volt Switch requires just a little bit more to OHKO and gains advantage against Spdef walls like Chansey. Boomburst OHKOs after a bit more chip, and ensures that almost anything resisting its STABs bar Rhyperior (and maybe the rare Palossand) gets blown to shreds for switching in.
Toxtricity practically requires prediction or voltturn for switching in against Primarina though (Keldeo comes to mind) since it can really only survive switching in on Moonblast, and only once. Still, Toxtricity is an extremely strong wallbreaker that can immensely pressure Primarina and the rest of its team, allowing it to be an excellent check.
Toxtricity @ Choice Specs
Ability: Punk Rock
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Boomburst
- Overdrive
- Volt Switch
- Sludge Wave
Introducing the other extremely scary Choice Specs user, with Choice Specs and Punk Rock together effectively giving its sound-based moves a 1.95 times boost. Overdrive and Sludge Wave OHKO Primarina. Volt Switch requires just a little bit more to OHKO and gains advantage against Spdef walls like Chansey. Boomburst OHKOs after a bit more chip, and ensures that almost anything resisting its STABs bar Rhyperior (and maybe the rare Palossand) gets blown to shreds for switching in.
Toxtricity practically requires prediction or voltturn for switching in against Primarina though (Keldeo comes to mind) since it can really only survive switching in on Moonblast, and only once. Still, Toxtricity is an extremely strong wallbreaker that can immensely pressure Primarina and the rest of its team, allowing it to be an excellent check.
Against Primarina:
252 SpA Choice Specs Toxtricity Volt Switch vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Primarina: 276-326 (91.6 - 108.3%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Punk Rock Toxtricity Boomburst vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Primarina: 238-281 (79 - 93.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
From Primarina:
252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Toxtricity: 167-197 (57.3 - 67.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Scald vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Toxtricity: 280-331 (96.2 - 113.7%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
Also, does the underlining help or is it unnecessary?
252 SpA Choice Specs Toxtricity Volt Switch vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Primarina: 276-326 (91.6 - 108.3%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Punk Rock Toxtricity Boomburst vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Primarina: 238-281 (79 - 93.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
From Primarina:
252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Toxtricity: 167-197 (57.3 - 67.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Scald vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Toxtricity: 280-331 (96.2 - 113.7%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
Also, does the underlining help or is it unnecessary?
Ok Avarice deleted so I'm taking his:
Chansey (F) @ Eviolite
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
- Seismic Toss
- Toxic
- Teleport
- Soft-Boiled
Chansey is a counter. It comes in,GMolt Primarina can't do much, it gets toxic'd, Chansey just heals or TPorts out and GMolt Primarina dies. Easy-PZ. Most likely GMolt Primarina will have to switch out every time, and Chansey can then get a free Teleport to pivot itself.
Chansey (F) @ Eviolite
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
- Seismic Toss
- Toxic
- Teleport
- Soft-Boiled
Chansey is a counter. It comes in,
Volcanion @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Timid Nature
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
- Steam Eruption
- Flamethrower
- Sludge Bomb
- Defog
Good ol' steamer. It can pivot into hydro pump to force it out thanks to its ability and can 2HKO with sludge bomb. It doesn't want to switch in since psychic 2HKOs but outspeeds and 2HKOs with a free switch.
252 SpA Volcanion Sludge Bomb vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Primarina: 172-204 (57.1 - 67.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Volcanion: 172-203 (57.1 - 67.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Its that time again, its time to vote! Unfortunately Fusion Flare Sickist or 467 11 11p were unable to write up their reservations, so I declared them null. Remember, if you want to reserve something, please write it up, especially if its a big check to something as limited as primarina. I don't like being a strict host but this is the one thing I don't like; don't reserve if you cant write it up. Additionally, since there were only two counters submitted by BigFatMantis and TotomonGang , they both get a point by default. That being said, down below are all the CHECKS for this week.
Checks
Voting ends Thursday May 6 at 11:59 PM PST. My votes are for AV Tangrowth and Zarude
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Checks:Haxorus and Tangrowth
Zarude Roserade
Zarude and Volcanion
And voting us up! We had a 3 way tie between Volcanion, Zarude, and AV Tangrowth for checks, so after a tiebreaker from Estarossa....
The winner for the week is UrAverageHuman with their Tangrowth submission. Both Lolito and Monky25 take runner up for the checks. Congrats all of you, your submissions will be added to the Hall of Fame soon. Now, our next victim is...
Thundurus-Therian (M) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Nasty Plot
- Thunderbolt
- Psychic
- Focus Blast
We have thundurus-T! It has surged in usage as of late, being a devastating wallbreaker. With its massive special attack stat, it can power through many staples like Primarina, Celesteela, Mew, and Salamence after a boost. With near perfect coverage, thundurus is a threat that should definitely be looked out for. It got lots of usage this last month, so it must be hard to answer right? That's up to you to find out. Submissions are due Tuesday May 11 at 11:59 PM PST
The winner for the week is UrAverageHuman with their Tangrowth submission. Both Lolito and Monky25 take runner up for the checks. Congrats all of you, your submissions will be added to the Hall of Fame soon. Now, our next victim is...
Thundurus-Therian (M) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Nasty Plot
- Thunderbolt
- Psychic
- Focus Blast
We have thundurus-T! It has surged in usage as of late, being a devastating wallbreaker. With its massive special attack stat, it can power through many staples like Primarina, Celesteela, Mew, and Salamence after a boost. With near perfect coverage, thundurus is a threat that should definitely be looked out for. It got lots of usage this last month, so it must be hard to answer right? That's up to you to find out. Submissions are due Tuesday May 11 at 11:59 PM PST