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Greetings everyone! SSCL is on the horizon so it is probably time to discuss what exact tiers we want in the tournament. Zac will be hosting this tournament so let's give a round of applause to the man who was brave enough to swim in the (likely) amoeba-infested waters of Mui Wo :sphearical:

The idea behind this tournament was to give an opportunity for beloved petmods/alternate metagames that were released in generation 8 a team tournament, in particular BDSP - the community is technically under our jurisdiction but gets practically nothing from the generation 8 community, so this tournament would be a nice first step to integrate them with us. As such, proposals to exclude BDSP OU from this tournament will not be entertained - please discuss other tiers such as CAP/NDOU/DOU/Monotype.

SS OU x2
SS UU
SS Ubers
SS RU
SS NU
SS PU
SS ZU
SS LC
SS NDOU/Monotype/DOU
SS CAP
BDSP OU

Please post your thoughts here if you want to suggest changes to the format!
 
As many know, I am a big fan of SS CAP. It has the largest player base of any CAP tier, it has dedicated competitive resources, and it is by far the most accessible of all the CAP tiers. I am a big proponent of including it in this edition of SSCL.

I also like the inclusion of BDSP OU. I don't think BDSP will ever fit into SSPL, but this tournament is really a perfect place of have it in.

ZU as well I think is a great addition to the tour as a tier that just barely got edged out of last SSPL.

The real question to me is what goes in the flex slot. I'm not a fan of having an actual dedicated flex slot, I think that is a little too taxing on managers and it devalues the players that play those tiers. I would prefer to just decide on a tier for that last slot and run with it, and I think that that tier should be NatDex. Monotype and DOU both have representation in SSPL, and I am a firm believer that SSCL should be THE place for the tiers that don't quite make the cut for SSPL. Therefore, my favored format is this:

SS OU x2
SS UU
SS Ubers
SS RU
SS NU
SS PU
SS ZU
SS LC
SS NDOU
SS CAP
BDSP OU
 
I don't think I suffered from the amoebas but I'm pretty sure I can taste colours now
Slowpoke Fan said:
Greetings everyone! SSCL is on the horizon so it is probably time to discuss what exact tiers we want in the tournament. Zac will be hosting this tournament so let's give the man who was brave enough to swim in the (likely) amoeba-infested waters of Mui Wo :sphearical:

The idea behind this tournament was to give an opportunity for beloved petmods/alternate metagames that were released in generation 8 a team tournament, in particular BDSP - the community is technically under our jurisdiction but gets practically nothing from the generation 8 community, so this tournament would be a nice first step to integrate them with us. As such, proposals to exclude BDSP OU from this tournament will not be entertained - please discuss other tiers such as CAP/NDOU/DOU/Monotype.

SS OU x2
SS UU
SS Ubers
SS RU
SS NU
SS PU
SS ZU
SS LC
SS NDOU/Monotype/DOU
SS CAP
BDSP OU

Please post your thoughts here if you want to suggest changes to the format!
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Why not just include a bunch of tiers as possible flex slots with the standard flex slot format? It lets every community get some representation and I think every tier in the OP could be included

And of course I’ll push for Drafts inclusion, not at the expense of other tiers though just think it would make sense to add it as another flex slot option with what I think SWSH staff should go through with anyways. The easiest way to make it work would just be a break week before the tour starts, but if we could get a Saturday auction we would probably be able to muscle through like 80% of the drafting phase for 2 drafts and start W1 like Tuesday. And by numbers alone I think draft is the most qualifying other SWSH tier that would bring the most interest to the tour where I think it would make sense to include it alongside other SWSH tiers that seem incredibly unlikely to ever see play in SSPL unless the tour expanded. If there’s any questions about logistics if you guys want to consider the thought, my DM’s are quite open. Draft has been quite successfully trialed in tours like NDCL, LGPL, and PTSL when the staff of the tours work with us on how to make it work

Cheers all, hope everyone has a good day
 
Hello all!
I wanted to suggest the SS Ubers UU tier, we have been running as an old gen Ubers UU for a bit over a year if I remember correctly. We've so far had 2 forum idv tours and been included in both UUbers PLs. Our second idv tour is currently ongoing and we have another one lined up later this year. Its a genuinly very fun format that gives a lot of mons a chance to shine, like Zama-Hero, NDW, and Urshifu-Dark. While I'm not expecting much, as we aren't as big of a community as most of the other suggested ones (to the best of my understanding), I think we'd be a great pick for a Flex Slot tier if those are included. If you guys wanna check us out to see what we have going one, heres a link to our discord: https://discord.gg/wS9z5HPTtQ. Thank you to anyone who read this through to the end.
 
ilikeeatingcrayons said:
Hello all!
I wanted to suggest the SS Ubers UU tier, we have been running as an old gen Ubers UU for a bit over a year if I remember correctly. We've so far had 2 forum idv tours and been included in both UUbers PLs. Our second idv tour is currently ongoing and we have another one lined up later this year. Its a genuinly very fun format that gives a lot of mons a chance to shine, like Zama-Hero, NDW, and Urshifu-Dark. While I'm not expecting much, as we aren't as big of a community as most of the other suggested ones (to the best of my understanding), I think we'd be a great pick for a Flex Slot tier if those are included. If you guys wanna check us out to see what we have going one, heres a link to our discord: https://discord.gg/wS9z5HPTtQ. Thank you to anyone who read this through to the end.
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yeah SS Ubers UU would be awesome i'd love to see it there !
 
op format suggestion is good, I support DOU > Monotype > SSND, idm either DOU or Mono as long as the one that got in had more interest. flex slot format prevents either from being cut and id say 2OU+CAP+BDSP fixed and rest of tiers in OP besides ssnd as flex slots is fair. I dont think draft ssnd or uubers should be added especially if its a standard teamtour.
 
My understanding of CL team tours is that the main thing that makes them distinct from regular team tours, as well as what appears to be their growing popularity, is their flex slot format. While I don't think there's anything outright wrong with SSCL being an exception, I do think the tour would perhaps be better off running with the flex slot format instead. That being said, I do realize that it would negatively impact some tiers when teams can opt to just not play them, especially BDSP, which this tour seems to be partially designed to accommodate. You could probably buff the number of fixed slots from the 2 OU slots to 4 total (2 OU + BDSP + probably CAP), leaving 4 flex slots per team each week.

Give me BDSP or give me death. Super hyped to actually be playing it with a prize on the line for fucking once. Big Smogon can't keep us down forever.
 
it's a champions league tour, right? just do the normal champions league format where each team picks four/five from a pool of tiers. include draft dou etc. i think a pretty based suggestion was having bdsp as a fixed tier and the rest as rotating - i actually think itd be cool to have 2x ssou 2x bdsp and the rest flex slots! but idk tldr its a champions league tournament run the champions league format and you can fit all the tiers! gg.
 
Agree with the above sentiments @ flex slots. At this point being a CL tour without flex slots feels a bit flavorless. They are really fun to plan and draft for, not to mention they promote a lot of engagement within team cords for strategizing each week. I will piggyback on the Draft hype and throw in my own support for its inclusion. I don't really agree with including BDSP. It is quite siloed from other SS tiers and nothing about it really screams SS at all. It was not a current generation tier of Sword and Shield. It's a tier from a remake of a game with lots of dex and move pool cuts and I don't see why it would be added here in all honesty. ND/DOU/Monotype are all cool but I want to advise against putting ND SSOU into this tour. I manage and participate in a lot of NatDex tours, managing NDWC to finals and NDPL to a win. SS NDOU is literally people just importing an SMOU team into the builder and loading up. It's just gonna be boring to watch / prep / etc. DOU and Monotype are much better choices here though I don't lean a particular way for either tier, both are good and have active player bases who will show up and play.
 
SS OU x2
SS UU
SS Ubers
SS RU
SS NU
SS PU
SS ZU
SS LC
SS Monotype
2x Flex Slots (one from each team)

They already talked about it but we can add flex slots to this tournament. This will probably be the best thing to meet everyone's expectations. Keep the Flex Sots limited to the tiers :-
OU-ZU, LC, Monotype, Nat Dex OU, Draft, and BDSP and maybe NFE. I don't really know about NFE but rest should be fine.
Champions League without Flex Slots doesn't feel like it so going with it would be the best.
 
If you have seen other format discussion threads in the last few months you have probably seen some posts advocating for Draft in a few different tours and that shouldnt come to a surprise as its a very popular tier still in the early stages of its integration in other team tours on the site.

Hacker already went Into a lot of good points like how draft has successfully worked in other tours and how easy it is to implement it but i would like to add what i believe to be the main selling point here: how competitive the tier is, SS Draft is in a wonderful state right now thanks to the honestly insane effort Addison has put in tiering, making the format become a lot more popular and shaping one of the most competitive player pools we see in Draft team tours today. I firmly believe that out of the tiers that are not included in SSPL, it is one of the strongest candidates for inclusion in SSCL and Draft staff would be happy to support the hosts with logistics and a doc.

Also while im here, Flex slots tours are incredibly fun and i hope following the traditional CL format is an option for this tournament.
 
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